Anthony P. Bisceglie Interview

ANTHONY P. BISCEGLIE, Attorney at Law, Bisceglie & Walsh, 1130 17th Street, NW., Suite 400, Washington, D.C., telephone number (202) 778-1160, was contacted at his place of business. After being advised of the identities of the interviewing Agents and the nature of the interview, BISCEGLIE furnished the following information:

BISCEGLIE was contacted on Friday, January 26, 1996, at his office by an acquaintance whom he declined to identify. The acquaintance related a hypothetical situation to BISCEGLIE about another individual who may have some information that would identify a serial killer. BISCEGLIE spoke briefly to his acquaintance and recommended that the acquaintance contact him again on Monday. On Monday, January 29, 1996, BISCEGLIE was contacted by an individual, hereinafter referred to as the source, who indicated he had been referred to BISCEGLIE by the acquaintance with whom BISCEGLIE had spoken to on Friday. The source told BISCEGLIE he believed that he might know the identity of the UNABOM subject. The source did not identify himself to BISCEGLIE but eventually indicated that the person whom he suspects to be the UNABOM subject is the source's brother.

The source raised a number of concerns to BISCEGLIE about why he was reluctant to contact the FBI directly at this time about his suspicions. The source does not want his brother, if he is innocent, to be harassed, provoked or killed. The source expressed concern to BISCEGLIE that a "Ruby Ridge" incident might happen if his brother were confronted. The source described his brother as an angry man who lives alone in a cabin in a remote area and who uses weapons to hunt his food. The source also told BISCEGLIE that if his brother is the UNABOM subject, he would like a guarantee that his brother would not receive the death penalty before the source would reveal his own identity and his brother's identity. The source told BISCEGLIE his motivation in contacting him was to save lives, including his brother's life and the lives of any potential victims.

The source told BISCEGLIE that he suspected his brother may be the UNABOM subject in the Spring or Summer of 1995, after the last UNABOM explosion occurred in California and a profile of the UNABOM subject was publicized. The source became more concerned after the publication of the UNABOM manuscript, because he thought some of the themes in the manuscript were similar to themes discussed and written about by his brother. The source told BISCEGLIE that a retired FBI linguistics expert compared writings of his brother's to the manuscript and concluded the similarities were strong enough to warrant notification to the FBI.

The source related a number of factors which made him suspect his brother could be the UNABOM subject. The source's brother was born in Chicago, Illinois, was a brilliant scholar, attended the University of Michigan, and taught at UC Berkeley. The source's brother lived in Utah at some point, but not during any of the UNABOM events associated with Utah. The source believes his brother lived in Chicago during the late 70's, and during that time period, attempted to get his views published in a number of publications. The source may be able to obtain a copy of the material his brother sought to have published. The source's brother has voiced anti-technology views and asked for his brother's help in the late 70's to put together a group that was opposed to technology.

The source's brother lives alone in the Northwest in a cabin he built. The source's brother does not have electricity, plumbing, a telephone or a car. He rides a bike for transportation and hunts for his food. The source has seen his brother's cabin and has known him to have a typewriter. The source's brother has been unemployed for years, after dropping out of society. The source communicates with his brother via letters. The source has not seen his brother in six years. The source proposed visiting his brother recently, but his brother strongly rejected the idea.

The source described his brother as having a difficult time with people. The source's brother has not ever been married, but has had several relationships with women which did not work out. The source told BISCEGLIE that his brother was hospitalized as a child for a serious illness, and that this hospitalization period may have contributed to his brother's depression as a child. The source's brother cut off contact with his parents years ago, and has at times cut off contact with the source. The source told BISCEGLIE that his parents were from a "leftist" background and that his brother always had problems with them about their views. According to the source, his brother has no criminal record and has received no formal psychiatric treatment.

The source indicated to BISCEGLIE that his brother taught himself to build metal tube rockets when he was younger. The source's brother operated machines in two factories and has made at least three wooden boxes, one of which the source described as a sewing box. The source told BISCEGLIE he might be able to obtain one of the wooden boxes made by his brother. The source's brother fits within the general age and physical descriptive parameters of the UNABOM subject, with the exception of hair color. The source's brother borrowed $1000 from the source just prior to the December, 1994 UNABOM explosion, and he borrowed $2000 from the source within two months prior to the April, 1995 UNABOM explosion.

Although BISCEGLIE does not know the full identity of the source, he considers himself to have an oral retainer with him, and has agreed to waive his fee. The source claimed to have no knowledge of a reward in the UNABOM investigation, but indicated to BISCEGLIE if he were to be eligible for it, he would arrange for the money to go to the victims and/or their families. BISCEGLIE recommended that the source submit handwritten and typed samples from his brother which BISCEGLIE could turn over to the FBI for its evaluation. The source agreed to do so and sent via Federal Express four samples which BISCEGLIE received this morning.

BISCEGLIE furnished to SA FLYNN four sealed and dated envelopes which SA FLYNN opened and reviewed with BISCEGLIE. According to BISCEGLIE, the envelopes were dated by the source to reflect the date he received them from his brother. The first envelope was dated February 19, 1985 and containing a handwritten letter on six pieces of paper, with writing on both sides. The second envelope was dated December 1985 and contained three pages of typewritten material. The third envelope was dated April, 1986, and contained a handwritten letter on one piece of paper, with writing on both sides. The fourth envelope was dated November 2, 1994, and contained a handwritten letter on one piece of paper, with writing on both sides. The letters were retained by SA FLYNN in the envelopes. An FD-597 was prepared reflecting the receipt of the letters by SA FLYNN and was signed by BISCEGLIE. BISCEGLIE requested he be furnished copies of the letters when they were available.

Investigation on 1/31/96 at Washington, D.C.

File: 149A-SF-106204-5-2416-9

By SA FRANK R. BARBERO and SA MARY A. FLYNN/maf, Date dictated: 1/31/96

This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the property of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency.

FD-302a (Rev. 11-15-83)