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Speaker 1: So when were it, it's actually a body of 1 from which these arguments come from. To that we have the writings of Freddie Palman, we have Derrick Johnson, Bob Black. Then, of course, Lal Abdul Rahim. And there are some authors indialso. I mean on the same line they have written their works way back 50s and 60s. They have been rediscovered, and some new authors, so part of that body of work is also. Now we are planning to apply it. Also, the history of India. And to open each and every question the basic questions, because right now we're facing a new. I mean we are visavi new set of technologies. To be precise, say artificial intelligence, automation and promises that are being made by the governments about, say, permanent basic income for everybody india too.

Speaker 2: On this.

Speaker 1: So that means. That means that everything everything which is central to our understanding and work notion of work, notion of time, notion of self, notion of nature, all these things are going to be redefined. So that's the juncture we thought that these questions have to be raised again, what do we think? How do we think, and how should we think about time? There is source resource, then they it come in. So whom else can we talk about these things? If not, then with John Jaja because his writings in order to know more about him I.

Speaker 3: Have shared two of his.

Speaker 1: Videos also in the chat in the chat. These two YouTube videos are also a good introduction to his work. And one of the first definitions of time that I read in his works was very simple. In his discussion with Derek Johnson, he. That time doesn't exist. Time does exist as rhythm as sequence, but time as a thread that goes into the events. And out of events at the same time, that time doesn't exist. It's only a creation of. Subdivision of Labor. After our domestication, the time as social resource that came. The same thing I read in the writings of Vikram Nanda. I mean his similar work is on the Donguri Kong tribes in Orissa. I mean how the ways David was introduced among this child people? Then he mentions, then he's. I mean makes this point is very crucial, he says. These domrIcones when they start working as police for the sahib from civilization. Then they notice that there is something called opportunity cost. That means they really. For the first time, that time can be wasted. So there's not something inbuilt in bot in the human. The nature that we noticed that time. Has to be. Saved, and this notion that poisons each and every relationship or say at micro level nasal level or at in long term or short term that not a single minute should be wasted. So this tyranny of time. We definitely will come to know more. Reward it. And also about how to stop this time. The time will be stopped only when let me remember this. A scholar will say that only when there is a community which is based at the center of the community is the say human relationship or our relationship relationship to the nature at the. Center of our life. Only then the time can be stopped, otherwise just inexorable March of time is to any of time. This crisis of time is actually crisis of civilization. And this has to be identified given a proper name and the terms that we use to describe the misery of urban Indian middle class and the future of the stress is actually around these key notions that key notions are. Time poverty and time prosper. By that we mean that normally we define middle class and it's indialso in other places. I guess that a person belongs middle class on the basis of how much does he earn? How good was his education and how good is his career? And the infrastructure infrastructure. But if you want to understand the misery of Indian middle class, then you have to understand that it is the time for working. I mean everything revolves around career or how not to miss and time the fear of fall is the driving is the key fear of the society and therefore. The only reserve is no other reserve than the carrier or the your carrier is only reserved, so that's why all these questions misery of middle class cannot be understood through old language. We need new concepts and new terminologies to understand why this crisis. So that was the reason behind we named this talk. I mean the topic of this talk is the essence of time is civilization and other way around. So this the background to the talk that. I wanted to mention. And then. On each and every 4th Sunday of every month, we are planning to organize stocks. As I told you last stock was by they were. OK. And the name of the. Topic was how shall we feed the. Billions after the collapse of industrial industrial civilization, that was the question that he answered last time one of the lines that I liked, he says that the best agricultural practices are mimicry of forest, mimicry of jungle. That's the best agricultural practice that he practices. Also that is far. So that was the answer given by Dipal Dev, not only through theory but also. Through practice. The next talk I mean today, is the third talk by John John John. The next talk will be given by Lailabdul Rahim from Montreal. We are lucky to have. Him here so she would also inform us something about the next topic. Provisionally, we and then name the topic that different ways of defining domestication. And did domesticate. So she will tell us something about her dog on the next Sunday in November, the last Sunday of November, and then we will move it, move it to the talk by John John. Leila, now you are most welcome to tell us about your topic that you are going to tell us. On the last Sunday of November.

Speaker 6: So hello everyone, hi John.

Speaker 5: Hey Leila.

Speaker 2: So and I see anti tech and here we are on zoom congratulations, I've mastered zoom during this last year so I'll be brief. Basically the past two years I was delving. In to archaeology. In Central Asia, Kazakhstan. Which is now. Basically deemed the. Oldest evidence of the domestication of horses. So I'm working on my on my next book which was on economics of civilization and wilderness and now this research is. Basically like great and hasn't been published yet, so I'll be sharing a little bit from that and a lot of my work on my previous. In my previous books and research on myths of civilization. So how civilization well in civilization? The institutions of knowledge production. Choose to define civilization in very positive and falsified terms. And so we cannot. We cannot liberate ourselves from from these bonds without really looking at the core. The underlying premises in these myths and what archaeology shows us that It’s all faults and what reality it now shows us. It's folks and basically, how do we step into the truth? This will be my talk short summary. Hope it makes sense so come and find out and ask questions.

Speaker 1: Knows what's the. Truth so we are looking forward to your truth. Let me know. On the last Sunday. Of November 2021.

Speaker 2: I was born in the Soviet Union and it was very keen on truth and Pravda, even though also not always very truthful.

Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting word in. Any case truth?

Speaker 2: Thank you.

Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, so now it's Johnston so most welcome John. After a long time. So now house is yours as you say.

Speaker 5: Yeah, after a lot of fooling around on my part, I'm sorry. Well, however remotely It’s wonderful to be here. Robbie Villas, my old friends and this really excellent. Well I just start out with some basics. This thing we called time. How did it become a thing? You know how did time consciousness reify signify? To become a materiality. This happened fairly recently. Not so long ago, there's really no evidence that there was anything to measure that we could call time. Now of course it stands over us. We're acutely aware of it, even if we don't articulate. I did it. And as Augustine said, in the 5th century, I know what time is until somebody comes and asks me tell to tell them what it is, and then he's rather speechless and. I'm paraphrasing that to somewhat well known line from him. Well, it's gathering momentum began, I think with domestication really. The history of alienated humanity is the history of time. The decisive estrangement from the Earth and from each other. Is that move to control that decisive epical shift? Away from taking what nature gives. To controlling nature. Domestication, also known as agriculture. It's also the birth of private property and. Quite promptly thereafter, civilizations. It's all about control. It's about making the Earth work. And I want to put in here a very key text. In my opinion, it's always been quite a lot of importance to me and that is from the later Freud. What is translated into English as civilization and its discontents. The original German, the literal. The name of it is actually. The disquieted culture. And a better translation into English would be domestication and its discontents. Because it's centrally about domestication. Not exactly or precisely civilization itself and the main thrust of it is, which makes this such an important and radical text is that when we. When we domesticate other species, we break a horse, for example. That's the way it's put in English. We tame another species. Those that are that can be domesticated or many that can't be domesticated but you. You establish a different nature. For it But in the case of humans. That doesn't really work very well the domestication. Is is an open? Wound it's a wound that doesn't heal. It's a crippling thing, and it's really the basic source of unhappiness. It's a machine for creating neuroses. We don't get over the trauma of domestication. As we live it every day and that's a profoundly radical thing for someone as bourgeois as Freud to say. But of course he. He wouldn't see the implications of that. That formulation well. Of course we can't get rid of civilization. That would be unthinkable. That was the. That's the unspoken part of it. But of course it can be thought of as something to get rid of. If you want to get rid of neurosis, want to get rid of unhappiness? That's precisely what you. Have to do. I think we can see. The end of the of an entire trajectory. We can make out the end of civilization, I think. Every civilization heretofore has failed, and now there's one globalized integrated civilization under the sign of technology and capital, and pretty much nothing outside its force field. Time and alienation are massive components of this force field. In fact, they're fundamental to civilization and to symbolic culture for that matter. This world of complexity experts specialists hierarchy. Is very much time written. There's nothing much more obvious than that compared to 99% of the span of human species which didn't have these social features. That is. When our existence took place in small scale face to face community. That has banned societies and hunter gatherers. Time is not an evidence in those in that largest period. In other words, though, we did have intelligence, by the way were cooking with fire a million years ago. We had we had a somewhat exquisitely fashioned. Stone tools, for example. This Acheulian handaxe, which dates from about a million years ago, and in Germany, by the way, a few years ago it was discovered. Long hunting Spears. Of the date from 400,000 years ago. Finely balanced crafted Spears, obviously for hunting large animals. And so forth. So this it wasn't. That certainly wasn't that people. Didn't have the intelligence to grasp. What we call times. And as tools make way for technology or systems of technology, our sense of time grows. It's imposed on us. Technology determines this growth. Civilization is a work machine, always more work and technology sets the pace faster, faster. That's exactly the bottom line there, I think and I think it's worth pointing out. We see these claims and I'm using. I'm using the concept of technology in a very rarefied. Answer I. I point that out. I think what we've what we're seeing is a eclipse of political ideology that claims the promises that are made in terms of politics. More and more that's taken over. It's really now the property of technology that makes all these promises and claims it's going to fix everything, right? Well, everything's getting worse, so that's probably the most fundamental lie. Technology will empower everybody. Well, we've never been so disempowered, progressively disempowered. That's another really obvious falsehood there. And how about all the diversity? The cornucopia of otherness that it provides. Well, we live in a more and more and more standardized world by the day. I mean, these are fundamental lies and the other one, of course is how connected we are. We're all connected now via cyberspace on our various screens. Well, the sad truth of it is, it's obvious that we've never been more disconnected. The machines are connected, but how are we actually connected? Well, I'm going to read a little bit here from the Peace of Mind called. What is it called? Yes, time and its discontents. And steal from Freud here a little bit. And back to some basic stuff. With time we confront a philosophical enigma. A psychological mystery. And a puzzle of life. Like not surprisingly, considering the massive reification involved, some have doubted its existence since humanity began distinguishing. Time itself includes, from visible and tangible changes in the world as Michael. Andy put it. There is in the world a great and yet ordinary secret. All of us are part of it. Everyone is aware of it, but very few ever think of it. Most of us just accept it and never wonder over it. This secret is time. Just what is time? Spindler declared that one that no one should. Be allowed to ask. The physicist Richard Feynmanswered don't even ask me, it's just too hard to think about. Empirically, as much as in theory, the laboratory is powerless to reveal the flow of time, since no instrument exists that can register its passage. But why do we have such a strong sense that time does pass intellectually and in one particular direction? If it really doesn't? Why does this illusion have such a hole for us? We might just as well ask why alienation has such a holdovers. The passages of time is intimately familiar. The concept of time mockingly elusive. Why should this appear bizarre in a world whose survival depends? And the mystification of its most basic categories. We have gone along with the substantiation of time so that it seems a fact of nature of power existing in its own right. The growth of a sense of time. The acceptance of time is a process of adaptation to an ever more reified world. It is a constricted dimension. The most elemental aspect of culture. Times inexorable nature provides the ultimate model of domination. The further we go in time. The worse it gets. We inhabit an age of the disintegration of experience, according to Adorno. The pressure of time like that of its essential progenitor, division of Labor fragments and disperses all before it. Uniformity, equivalent separation are byproducts of times harsh force. The intrinsic beauty and meaning of that fragment of the world that is not yet culture moves steadily toward annihilation. Under a singer under a single cultures wide clock. Power occurs association. Assertion that we are not capable of producing a concept of time that is at once cosmological, biological, historical and individual. Fails to notice how they are converging. Concerning this fiction that upholds and accompanies all the forms of imprisonment. The world is filled with propagandalleging its existence. As Bernard Aronson put it so well. All awareness wrote the poet Denise Levertov. Is an awareness of time. Showing just how deeply alienated we are in time. We have become regimented under its empire as time and alienation continue to deepen. Their intrusion, their debasement of everyday life. Does this mean? As David David Carr asks that the struggle of existence is to overcome time itself. It may be that exactly. That this the last enemy to be overcome. In coming to grips with this ubiquitous yet phantom adversary, it is somewhat easier to say what time is not. It is not synonymous for fairly obvious reasons with change, nor is it sequence order of succession. Have loves dog for example. Must have learned that the sound of the bell was followed by feeding. How else could it have been conditioned to salivate at that sound? But dogs do not possess time consciousness. So before and after cannot be said to constitute time. Somewhat related, are inadequate attempts to account for all. But inescapable sense of time the neurologist, goody, rather along the lines of content, described it as one of our quote subconscious assumptions about the world. Some have described it no more helpfully. As a product of the imagination and the philosopher JJC, smart decided that it is a feeling that quote arises out of metaphysical confusion. Mactaggart FH, Bradley and Dummitt. Have been among 20th century thinkers who have decided against the existence of time. Because of its logically contradictory features. But it seems fairly plain that presence of time is far deeper causes than mere mental confusion. There is nothing even remotely similar to time. It is as unnatural, and yet as universal as alienation. Chakales points out that the present is a notion just as puzzling and intractable as time itself. What is the present? We know that it is always now. One is confined to it in an important sense and can experience no other part of time. We speak confidently of other parts, however, which we call past and future. But whereas things. That exist in space elsewhere than here continue to exist. Things don't exist now, as scholar observes, don't really exist at all. Time necessarily flows without its passage. There would be no sense of time. Whatever flows, though flows with respect to time. Turn therefore flows with respect to itself, which is meaningless owing to the fact that nothing can flow with respect to itself. No vocabulary is available for the abstract. Explication of time apart from my vocabulary, in which time is already presupposed. What is necessary is to put all the Givens into question. Metaphysics, with the narrowness that division of Labor has imposed from its inception, is too narrow for such a task. What causes time to flow? What is it that moves it toward the future? Whatever it is, it must beyond our time, deeper and more powerful. It must depend as Conley had it. Upon elemental forces, which are continuing continually in operation. William Spanos has noted that certain Latin words for culture. Not only signify agriculture or domestication, but are translations from Greek terms for the spatial image of time we are at base time binders in Alfred Curves decencies lexicon, the species due to this characteristic creates a symbolic class of life. An artificial world. Time binding reveals itself in an enormous increase in the control of our nature. Time becomes real because it has consequences and this efficacy has never been more painfully apparent. Life in this barest outline is said to be a journey through time. That it is a journey through alienation in the most public of secrets is the most public of secrets. No clock can strike for the happy one, says a German. Passing time once meaningless. Is now the inescapable beat, restricting and coercing us? Mirroring Blind authority itself going? How determined the flow of time to be? The distinction between what one needs and what one has, and therefore the incipiens of regret. Carpe diem. The maximum councils but civilization. Forces us always to mortgage the present to the future. Tom aims continually. Toward greater strictness of regularity and universality. Capital's technological world turns its progress by this could not exist in its absence. The importance of time wrote Bert Bert Bertrand Russell's lies quote. Rather, in relation to our desires than in relation to truth. There is a longing that is as palpable as time has become, the denial of desire can be gauged no more definitively than via the vast construct. We call time. I am like technology is never neutral. It is as Castoriadis rightly judge always endowed with meaning. Everything that commentators like, they will have said about technology in fact applies to time and more deeply. Both conditions are pervasive, omnipresent, basic, and in general has taken for granted as alienation itself. Time, like technology, is not only determining fact but also the enveloping element in which divided society develops. Similarly, it demands that its subjects be painstaking. Realistic, serious, and above all, devoted to work. It is autonomous, autonomous in its overall aspect like technology. It goes on forever of its own accord. But like the visual marker, which stands behind and sets in motion time and technology, it is after all a socially learned phenomenon. Humans and the rest of the world are synchronized to time and it's technical embodiment rather than the reverse central to this dilemma. As it is to alienation per se, is the feeling of being a helpless spectator. Every rebel that follows also rebels against time and its relentlessness redemption must involve. In a very fundamental sense, redemption from time. Time is the accident of accidents, according to Epicurus. Upon closer examination, however, its genesis appears less mysterious. It has occurred to many, in fact, that notions such as the past, the present, and the future are more linguistic than actual or physic. So the Neo Freudian theorist lachan, for example, decided that the time experience is essentially an effective language. A person with no language would likely have no sense of the passage of time. Harry Wilson moving much closer to the point, suggested that language was initiated by the need to express symbolic time. Gossett argued that the system of tenses found indo European languages developed along with the consciousness of a universal or abstract. Time and language are coterminous decided. Derrida quote to be in the one is to be in the other. Time is a symbolic construct immediately prior, relatively speaking to all the others and which requires language for its actualization. Paul Valery referred to the fall of the species into time as signaling alienation from nature. Quote by a sort of abuse man creates time, he wrote. And the time was before this fall, which constituted the overwhelming majority of our existence as humans. Life as he is often, as has often been said. Had a rhythm but not a progressive. It was the state when the soul could quote gather the whole of its being. In results, words in the absence of temporal strictures, where time is nothing to the soul. Activities themselves, usually of a leisurely character, were the points of reference before time and civilization's nature, provided the necessary signals quite independent of time. Humanity must have been conscious of memories and purposes long before any explicit distinction. Distinctions were drawn. Among past, present and future. Furthermore, as the language dwarf estimated pre literate communities, far from being sub rational may show the human mind functioning on a higher and more complex plane of rationality than among civilized men. The largely hidden key to the symbolic world is time. Indeed, it is at the origin of human symbolic activity. Time on this occasion is the first alienation. The root away from Aboriginal richness and wholeness. Out of the simultaneity of experience, the event of language says Charles Simic. Is an emergence into linear time. Researchers such as Zohar considered faculties of telepathy and precognition to have been sacrificed for the sake of evolution into symbolic life. If this sounds far fetched, the sober, sober positive positive is Freud due to telepathy, as quite possibly quote the original archaic means to which individuals understand one another. If the perception and perception of time. Relate to the very essence of cultural life. The advent of this time sense and its concomitant culture represent an impoverishment, even a disfigurement, by time. The consequences of this intrusion of time via language indicate that the latter is no more innocent, neutral, or assumption free than the former. Time is not only as Conte said at the foundation of all our representations, but by this fact also at the foundation of our adaptation. To a qualitatively reduced symbolic world. Our experience in this world is under an all pervasive pressure to be. Representation to be almost unconsciously degraded into symbols and measurements. Time with the German Mystic Meister. Eckhart is what keeps the light from reaching us. Time awareness is what empowers us to deal with our environment. Symbolically, there is no time apart from this estrangement. It is by means of progressive symbolization that time becomes naturalized becomes a given is removed from the sphere of conscious cultural production. Time becomes human in the measure to which it becomes actualized in narratives is another way of putting it. The symbolic accretions in this process constitute a steadily throttling instinctive desire. Repressions develop the sense of time unfolding immediately away, replaced by the mediations that make history possible. Language in the forefront. One begins to see past such banalities as time is an incomplete, incomprehensible quality of the given world. Number art, religion make their appearances in this given world disembodied phenomena of refined life. These emerging rights, in turn Gurevich surmises, lead to quote the production of new symbolic contents. Thus, in encouraging time leaping forward. Symbols, including time of course now have lives of their own in this cumulative interacting progression. David brings the reality of time in the existence of God is illustrative. It argues that it is precisely times reality, which proves the existence of God civilizations perfect logic. While Ritual is an attempt through symbolism to return to the timeless state, ritual is a gesture of abstraction from that state. However, a false step that only leads further away. The timelessness of number is part of this trajectory and contributes much to time as a fixed concept. In fact, Bloomberg seems largely correct in saying. That time is not measured as something that has been present all along. Instead, it is produced for the first time by measurement. To express time, we must in some way. Quantify it number is therefore essential, even where time has already appeared as slowly more divided social existence works toward its progressive reification. Only by means of number. The sense of passing time is not keen among tribal peoples. For example who do not mark it with calendars or clocks. An original meaning of the word in ancient. Greek is division. Number when added to time makes the dividing or separating not much more potent. The non civilized often have considered it unlucky to count living creatures and generally resist adopting the practice. Sober chauffeur. In 1822, he noted the intuition for number was far from spontaneous, inevitable, but already in the early civilizations. Filmul reports one feels that numbers are a reality, having it. As it were, a magnetic power field around them. It is not surprising that among ancient cultures, with the strongest emerging sense of time, Egyptian, Babylonian, Mayan, we see numbers associated with ritual figures and deities. Indeed, the Mayand Babylonians both had number gods. Much later, the clock, with its face of numbers, encourage society to abstract and quantify the experience of time. Still further, every clock reading is a measurement that joins the clock watcher to the flow of time. And we have simply delude ourselves that we know what time it is because we know what time it is. If we did away with clocks, Challis reminds US objective time would also disappear. More fundamentally, if we did away with specialization and technology, alienation would be banished. The mathematizing of nature was the basis for the birth of modern rationalism and science for the West. This had stemmed from demands for number of measurement and connection with similar teachings about time in the service of mercantile capitalism. The continuity of number and time as a geometric locus were fundamental to the scientific revolution, which projected Galileo's dictum to measure. While it is measurable and make measurable, that which is. Mathematically divisible time is necessary for the conquest of nature, and for even the rudiments of modern technology. From this point on, number based symbolic time became crushingly real. And abstract construction. Removed from and even contrary to, every internal and external human experience according to Sheila Mosey. Under its pressure, money and language, merchandise and information have become steadily less distinguishable. And division of Labor more extreme. To symbolize is to express time consciousness. For this symbol embodies the structure of time. Clearer still is merleau's famous, somewhat famous formulation to understand the symbol and its development is to grasp human history in a nutshell. The contrast is the life of the non civilized lived in a capacious presence that cannot be reduced, be reduced to the single moment of the mathematized present. As the continual now give way to increasing reliance upon systems of significant symbols, language number art ritual myths. Dislodged from the now, the further abstraction history began to develop. Historical time is no more inherent in reality, no less an important imposition it. Than the earlier, less cohete form of time. In a slowly more synthetic contest, astronomical observation is invested with new meanings. Once pursued for its own sake, it comes to provide the vehicle for scheduling rituals and coordinating the activities of complex society. With thelp of the stars, the year and its divisions exist as instruments of organizational authority. The formation of the calendar is basic to the formation of the civilization. The calendar was the first symbolic artifact that regulated social behavior by keeping. Track of time. And what is involved is not the control of time, but it's opposite and closure by time in the world of very real alienation. One recalls that the word comes from the Latin Collins, the first day of the month, when business accounts had to be settled. Well, I'll leave off reading there and to bring it back, bring it into the present. There's a review of a brand new book. Called being a human. Adventures and 40,000 years of communication. By Charles Foster this can be found in the current issue of the Times literary supplement, the TLS of London. For October 15th. This wonderful. This really. A noteworthy book, and. It brings to the fore a question which I think is becoming more impressive. Is is really maybe coming to be a central issue? At least I hope maybe I'm clutching at straws here. But anyway, in terms of domestication. Let me just quote from this review. It gets to theart of. Of the whole picture. Certainly something I totally agree with. This from. The review, paraphrasing. A key part of the book being a human. Our woes started in the Neolithic period. The age of domestication when cereal and cow herding were discovered and humanity began to settle. It was then that we traded off for convenience and control our leisure time radically diminished. And we became slaves to the animals and the land that we sought to exploit. We lost our connection with nature and our intimate knowledge of the many different species with which were once so familiar. Priests curated stories strangled the mind and the imagination. Thoughts as well as sheep were corralled. That's wonderful. That's just a beautiful way to address this epical shift. In social existence. And at the same time, This why I think quite possibly we're able to put all of this on the table. Because, well. I think the key thing is we're seeing it start to collapse. In every area, at every level it's going South as we put it. In the West, it's really, visibly starkly failing. Civilization has not met any of the promises. All of the ruin is now. So visible and so deeply felt, I think all over the place. It isn't just some abstract question. It's the immiseration of everyday life. It's the ruin of the natural world. It’s all of it. I want to worry what's going into that. We all know about it. And at the same time another brand new book. It hasn't even come out yet, but I'm getting a copy from the publisher in order to review it for. The World Literature review. And this book. By David Graeber and David Wingrove, I think is significant at this point. It's called the dawn of everything. A new new history of humanity. So here's another way to put civilization the table, so to speak, from a rather opposite point of view. These these fellows from the left seek to really disabuse us of the notion that it really all started with domestication. That was the fundamental. Oh no, no, that’s not right. We got. It all wrong. And by the way, the things that I've pointed out and many others by this time before me and. And at the present time. This just standard anthropology. This just well known orthodoxy. Thisn't some anarchist making it up to serve an ideological purpose. Not at all. This. Just basic anthropology one-on-one. All we're doing is, I think, taking the obvious implications of that to the next level. The next step, as with the text from Freud. OK, if this really a hideous thing, the point is to get rid of it the point. Is to move away from it. So anyway, there'll be more to be said about this. I haven't yet read the book, so I'm talking out of school in a way, although I'm quite familiar with their point of view for some years now, they've they've been trying to. Put this out in their writings. They've been trying to argue that oh, no domestication civilization, cities, It’s all. Could be great it's really it's not a bad thing. This whole trajectory. No, it's we want to rescue it. That's it reminds me of the. Of the later Frankfurt school people who talk about enlightenment, the point isn't to get rid of it. The point is to fulfill it. You know, let's make. Let's make good, honest promises. Well, that is diametrically opposed to. The other point of. View which points out that this a suicidal path and we better get off it. Well, that's I think that'll do it. I think I've tried to sum up some of the basic stuff here and also point to the some of the brand new literature on the subject which is. You know, I think it's interesting in itself that these books are being reviewed. And the latter one. I'm talking about the Grayburn wind group wind grow book has been received. Interestingly enough, with approbation, people are very relieved. Because it seems to me. Well, there was a review in the Guardian last week in the Atlantic magazine from the US just currently here. And with such relief. Ohh, they're overjoyed at this book, which which tries to rescue civilization. Ohh, good, good. This what we want to hear. It's not so bad. Yeah, it can be reformed. Well, this where the battle lines are drawn right now. OK, I'll just give it a rest for now. Thank you for listening.

Speaker 1: So now of course, the questions are most welcome. You can ask your question directly, also because it's not such a huge group and right at the beginning I notice some questions addressed to Leila. But I mean, you can ask your questions directly if you have them. OK.

Speaker 2: I just wanted to add I was wondering. Well, first of all always sorry freshing and actually gives us hope to listen to you John. It's amazing in the madness of this whole chaos. And how people domesticate themselves and accept the lies? And I don't know honestly, they do it sincerely or insincerely or deviously or not. So it's it gives me strength, but we can get out of it and sometimes I lose hope. But you, you get us back on track. Thank you.

Speaker 7: Thank you.

Speaker 2: So I’m glad I was wondering if you were going. To bring up. The book. I had to look at it because people are going crazy about it and everyone is buying it the same like with Harare. I looked at it and I find it actually more than harari's dishonest. I find it really dishonest and I think with Harare. He seems to have heard this idea superficially, and just like in French, they say Pell Mell, like mishmash and to book quickly bestseller because it precisely, it's like superficial, doesn't doesn't question anything. With Graver I know he was familiar with real critiques, and my question is why did he ignore them? And because if he didn't ignore them, he would have to face where all these myths. Would lead us. And I'll rest at that but that's my opinion.

Speaker 5: Thank you very well. You know, I. I think I could be wrong here, but I think they're feeling threatened. These defenders of civilization. Know that what we're all talking about is a direct challenge to the whole progress of this model of history is the whole heritage. Of the left. This endless of progress for the capital P that they're all in favor of people like Chomsky and then these others, some of them. Like Graeber, they sort of had a conversion. You know about 20 years ago when there was the so-called anti globalization movement. He became anarchist. All of a sudden he for many, many years, a progressive nothing but a progressive and really hated anarchist, but that's not that's not going far enough. You know it's not just being anarchist. What does that mean? Are you were leftist, anarchist or red anarchist or green anarchist or so? In other words, they see and maybe I'm overdoing it. I maybe actually clutching at straws here, but I think they feel something that's breathing down their neck. This getting so starkly wrong, and they end up having to mount a defense of it. It it, really. I think this not some. I call this infighting among radicals, but to me it's not infighting at all. This 2 very basically different orientations, different values, just fundamentally different. It's different as. Domestication and domestication.

Speaker 2: Absolutely I totally agree, yeah.

Speaker 1: I mean, there are always these three points and somehow it can be reformed somehow. It can be humanized somehow. It can be further developed and there they all. I mean, that's the. Point that the one can see that they collapse. Yeah, so there are questions now then you can ask the question directly. Causal you have a question now.

Speaker 7: OK hi, very enlightening really. I for me it is. You can see my background and I'm a public health specialist and particularly I'm alma mater of JNU. Some my question is. Are you agree on that there were sense of happening all the time among the human humanities? And do you think that the time has to do something with predictability? In my opinion, being a physician, I can say the brain is a survival tool. Always try to predict. The argument can be out here that the objective time is an utilitarian tool. If we are. Overusing it, that is, that could be a case. Or we should rethink about developing a different tool. Am I clear? My question is clear because once I say brain is a survival tool, it means that I'm focusing on fear factor. Brain has always has a fear factor and from there the all concepts come. That's my notion. I might be, you can. Expound on it. Is there any relation between predictability with the time sense of time or? Is there any relation between fear? And the sense of time.

Speaker 5: Well, that's an interesting question. That's a predictability. Has certain connotations, or it can be used in different ways. For example, you can predict something in a control sense to dominate it, or you can. Get in touch with nature, commune with nature, and be aware of the changes in the seasons. For example, when something ripens or when certain animals We'll be at a certain elevation. I'm thinking of, mobile hunter gatherers, which might have. You know, maybe a couple or three different camps during the year and they move from one to the other. They need to. Predict if you will, what's going to be found at the other location if they, if they are somewhat movable in their existence. It doesn't mean they control it, but now I think It’s more of an instrumental term where it does imply control. Well, you want to be ahead of the game to capture it, and change it to your own. Desires, that's the more modern usage, but I think you're right in questioning whether or not that is. Somewhat inherent to a concept of time, but I guess that depends on what. What angle you're coming from in terms of what is predictable?

Speaker 3: Yeah John this doctor Jajan.

Speaker 6: I have a question.

Speaker 3: This Alok Devaraj and in more or less on the similar line. I don't know how to articulate it. I my background is also in the global health and public health and I'm just going to be one sentence. You mentioned that the civilization. Cannot be stopped. Like it has, it is already in the inertia. It is moving on and also to some extent I'm trying to put it on to what Kaushal just mentioned. That is the brain, the predictability, the fear, all those things, which is there, it's combined together and seasonality that is also analogous to the you are measuring something you're trying to predict. Something that this what is going to happen. So whether time is just maybe an adjective. What we in the terms of today's time we have taken this As for the pressure for their stress and all that. OK, if you don't, but from the biological point of view also. Everything has its precise timing, like when the zygote is formed. When the development takes place, when it, and if there is a mess up there. If the timing is off, then like and you have some consequences in some diseases or whatever like cancer and all those things because of that. So I want to delink it from the domestication purposes, but the time itself. What you and Kaushal were discussing is something very natural. So how do? We capture it and then also mesh it with the civilization. I just said that we cannot stop. We are moving like we where were in The Cave. So does it mean that we should deny the time? We should still be in the caves. We should still be just staying there. I have no idea of all the. Because the literature and all that you all have lot more knowledge, but I'm just trying to understand this whole thing behind it.

Speaker 5: Wow, that’s quite a challenge. Well, I think they're when we talk about knowledge, understanding, even science, there's different. Ways of seeing this? You know you can have if you have an intimate. Contact with nature. You may have out of that absence of estrangement a much deeper understanding, much deeper knowledge. Then now for example. It just. The estrangement is so this so palpable and so visible. I mean now. More and more machines to tell us what our body is doing. That didn't used to be necessary. Were in tune with our body with ourselves. But now we're cut off from everything. We're just we're just relying. On the machine. It’s a ridiculous degree we don't even imagine that we could have. Some communing with ourselves are are very selves and the rest of them. I think and the question about civilization. Can't be stopped. I probably put that poorly. I think a a very key book in my opinion is Joseph Tainter is. The collapse of complex societies. And maybe what I was clumsily trying to get it is. It isn't stopped until it until it's over. And I mean it can. It's the parasite that consumes the host. At a certain point, the civilization has no more carrying capacity. I mean, the ball game is over because it's just it's. Literally killed off everything in one way or another and that's the end. That's the end of that civilization. And now there's only one, I think almost nothing outside of it, sadly enough. It's a. Yeah, it doesn't. It stops itself, but we need to figure out how to go in a different direction, how to how to chart out some more autonomous. Grasp of where we find ourselves and. Maybe in some way prepare for a soft landing, not just waiting around for the collapse, but figuring out. And turning to indigenous wisdom. Very fundamentally, in my view, what did they eat? What did they do, and how did they lie? And in that respect. I prefer back to the caves. Quite frankly I want to get off this madness machine this death machine this death chorus. Before it kills everything and everything is getting worse, I think there's no doubting. There's just going to be 1 pandemic after another. And the, in the course of society, especially in America, the mass shootings that? I mean it's. Just there's so much pathology in late civilization. There's no way to even make a list of it. It's too. It's too big of a growing list of things that are that are so. Remarkably negative. I’m I'm I don't know if that somewhat tackles what you brought up or not.

Speaker 3: No, no, it's. It's great but again like the.

Speaker 6: Can I ask?

Speaker 3: The point here is that. Will it be? It's just run its course like we have great civilizations in the past. So which we don't see it anymore. So is it just the like, ? You said civilization cannot be stopped one after the other? What we have at the moment, whether it's a pandemic or whether something so is it going to run its course and it just vanishes. It goes away.

Speaker 5: Well, the problem is everything else. Everything else is going to go away with. You know, with respect I mean everything is tied up with it, and so in order to make a break with that, in order to 1st think that through.

Speaker 3: Yeah so.

Speaker 5: I mean there's nothing that isn't being pulled down. I think of the metaphor. I don't. They don't even know what this literally true, but they say when a great ship. Goes down, it creates a vortex and sucks everything down with it. And I think that's happening on every level. It's deforming our own thinking even I mean it's affecting us. That is that the stress of it all. The insanity of it all. It’s really. It's very effective, it's. It has its impact on us in terms of friendships and so forth. I mean, it isn't just something that happens out there, we're all in it. We're all a part of it. We're all being held hostage no matter what your idea is, you don't have. A privileged position. Just because you have a, opposing ideas.

Speaker 7: Hmm yeah no.

Speaker 3: I'll I'll rest my case.

Speaker 6: Ask the question.

Speaker 3: I'll rest my case let's somebody else.

Speaker 1: I'll just add one more.

Speaker 6: May I debraj?

Speaker 1: Of course you can. You can ask now. OK, it's your turn, Sheena.

Speaker 6: Maybe I'm mixing different traditions in asking this question. Nevertheless, one is what you said about controlling nature as being in a sense, the point at which we begin to talk about time and it is. Negative phenomena, but on the other hand. We also have. A later position, as in EP Thompsons's time, work, discipline and capitalism. Now, what is the distinction? There and. Even if it isn't progressive, there's a qualitative difference. Plus, just to comment on the second, when we resist time, as workers going slow or absenting themselves, they're sort. Trying to do something different with time so there are ways in which people resist and we have examples. I mean, it's. It's a part of the working class movement to do that. So how would you see these things? You know, very interesting, but I. I wonder if it. Encompasses different stages of the way time is structured.

Speaker 5: Oh, I think it makes such an important point.

Speaker 6: Would love to know what you think.

Speaker 5: Yeah, that’s very, very important. My own work started with looking at the first unions and in the first industrializing country, England the textile mills, and so forth, and EP. Thompson makes an enormous contribution. He was, he situates time historically in terms of the discipline imposed on factory workers primarily, and makes he's the one who. In that essay, you mentioned and also in his classic the making of the English working class. It's extremely important, It’s a fight that goes on all the time to resist all these forces that are made concrete, made, made specific in work lives. You know in what? You know, and Marx, by the way, I think, got it completely wrong. It's not an advance when you heard everybody into the factories, they're more domesticated by that move, not less domesticated. It was the people on the land that the, for example, the classic handloom weavers that held out the. Longest against that horrible movement and fought even even to starvation in some cases. Refusing the factory they didn't want to be captive that way. Not exactly the glorious proletarian strength that was that was a phony. Collectivist idea that March had. But Europe that's I couldn't agree with you more. It’s important to bring up. The actual historical realities.

Speaker 6: And today I mean, is there hope there? I mean I don't know if you look at even if we forget about the organized trade union position. The fact that there are shrinks in the armor and this this. Well, despite what you said about the terribleness of it all. Are we missing? Those Points of Light because they're not codified, or. Stressed by the media or by Orthodox academic? So reflections, but they're probably happening and we need to catch them maybe. I've been associated with a newspaper called Faridabad. Masoor Samachar that has been in fact highlighting these things in. In the words of the workers themselves. More than somebody like a leader and I think I just would like your reflections. Is there hope?

Speaker 5: Well, It’s easy to be pessimistic, but. As you say, I think it's critical to. To find it wherever we can, the hope the aspects of resistance and that one does see and you not to lose sight of those things. It's very important this system is not infallible. And I think it's. You know It’s quite worried about its future. For that matter, and it reacts accordingly, it's. You know, I've just discovered the work of beyond Chohan. He's a originally a Korean. He was born in Korea, but he's at the University of Berlin and he writes along the lines of Baudrillard. Thing, and it's very. It's very bleak. He's he thinks that domination is almost disappeared because we, the current state of what we call the working class, has somewhat become a matter of we are imposing the domination ourselves. We're participating. So much in the system, at a time when. The communal aspect of social existence community is gone. I mean, I think that's that part of it is very important. There is no more community. Mass society has dissolved that, and we need to face that so it becomes a harder challenge. You know to find some coherent resistance. I mean, he's he is he sees the dispersion, the enemy, the we're more and more privatized and less able to come up with a strong. Opposition, I hope he's overdoing it. I hope he's just being too bleak or dark in his look, but that's the very current that’s a somewhat dominant way of looking. I mean he counts himself. I would say as a deep opponent of modernity. I mean, he just thinks it's so absurdity, so absurd, that he's quite opposed. But he's reached a fairly hopeless position, so that’s part of the zeitgeist. I'm afraid that it's it doesn't look too good right now. You know that's the way it is.

Speaker 6: It's also what, what, what? Gets projected and written about and . I mean, I think there are the limitations of institutionally available. You know? I'm just pointing out something which I find in some newspapers like the one I mentioned, highlighting . Just just. Adding to the conversation.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there are some. I mean for example Government of India, the ruling party is planning some where the bills are introduced, that there should be compulsory voting introduced in. So there are signs of hope. Very obviously people are withdrawing from.

Speaker 6: Do you think that's all working either?

Speaker 1: I mean that people don't want to participate into, I mean electing their masters. They're refusing to participate. I mean that's not only india, I mean this introduction of compulsory voting. This whole discussion. 29 crore of Indians didn't participate in the last elections. 29 crore. It's Indian unit of. I mean it might be 100. 1000, or more than that many. Much more than that. But that's 1/3 of total. Say part of the population, which is eligible for voting 1/3 of in population and. One member of Parliament was trying to introduce a bill so that's never actually at the center of discussion, so that's what actually I'm trying. I'm sorry. So now I'd like to invite other questions. There were some other people who had some questions.

Speaker 2: If I may. Mention something to the doctors because I started my path in anthropology as a medical anthropologist. And so my second book that's based on my dissertation, children's literature, domestication and social foundation narratives of civilization and wilderness. Is part of it well includes my research in medical anthropology and its connections to social control. So I did a comparative work in Sweden with so I looked at Somalis as oral culture, pastoralist culture. So there's the verification. But it's not like as entrench. And compared with European States and their medical understandings of what is illness? What is health? What is nature? What is reproduction? What and so you might be interested in looking at that and connecting it. I don't talk about time. But I do cite John's work on. Domestication and language and make connection there for the doctors and lawyers and everyone else.

Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll they'll be there next time again when. You are there. Yeah, if yeah there are there questions.

Speaker 7: You're good.

Speaker 8: HI have a question please could you explain the connection between domestication and language because language has been there for a long. Time, . So I just wanted to why are you connecting it with domestication and time?

Speaker 1: Can you tell us something about you, Madhu?

Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well, the origin of speech is rather unknown because there's no artifact attached to it. It's not until we have written language which is much further down the road. No consensus even on conjecture conjecture as to the origin of language. So that part is very speculative on my part. But it's. I mean it, it's not. It's not as basic as time in my opinion as a component of symbolic culture and it so it remains something of an unknown. Yeah, I would. It's not that domestication creates language, but I didn't mean to.

Speaker 8: I mean, I can see the connection between written languages and domestication and agriculture.

Speaker 5: See that.

Speaker 8: Of course, but. To me, language is much goes much deeper. You mean even Neanderthals? Probably had some language so.

Speaker 5: Probably yeah, and but there are all kinds of guesses. Some would put it much further back, hundreds of thousands of years, but. It probably was more recent as you prefer, but we. Don't know, we don't know.

Speaker 8: I mean, our vocal cords are so developed. Whales have languages I don't really see. The connection between language and I mean whales have names for each other. But anyway, but what would be a program of de domestication in your mind?

Speaker 5: Well, it's one one thing you bring up there. I think the question of representation is interesting. I mean, I think a lot of species have language in the sense of signals, but not perhaps in terms of symbols where something stands for something else. It's a more direct communication. And as I mentioned in passing there's there are ways of communication. Language is not the only way to communicate, as even Freud found it pretty likely that people were communicating without language. You know, in a sort of. What's the word we have? Well, without without any without that taking place. And it's. Seems. Odd, isn't it? That someone as rationalist as Freud would come up with something that sounds almost new age but really isn't. You know when you think about it but and he also kind. Of put that down. That was a backward stage. Well, maybe it wasn't a backward stage. Maybe it was a higher stage. If you want to put it that way. No, everything is symbolic. You know everything is representation. We talk about the crisis of representation in a post modern sense, which doesn't. It actually isn't tackling the representation itself. And maybe that needs to be on the table sometime.

Speaker 8: But could please could you like it? Tell us where your picture of what to denomination would involve.

Speaker 5: Well, decolonization is a is a good concrete way to look at it. You know, if Fred, sorry to keep referring to Freud, but if he was right that domestication is nothing but a machine for misery for neurosis, well, you don't want domestication, then I mean, bottom line. So if we want or rewilding some people. Prefer that term. Are domesticated freer. The life of heroes and. And freedom that they do quite often. Then you have domestic. That's the freedom and errors. It's time to get to work. It's time to pay everything and submit control, control the deeper.

Speaker 8: I guess the difficulty. Have with that is if domestication is connected with agriculture and it is. How do you support a population of. I don't know. 8 or 9 billion or whatever. We're going to have because Hunter gatherer population densities are much lower. So that's my basic question. I mean, how do you go from where we are to where you want to be without loss of great loss of life?

Speaker 5: You can't do it overnight and some of our enemies put it. As if we want all. These buildings of people to die overnight. Like we're going to push a button. And well, that's. Crazy, none of us have advocated that. All the time that's we're not only genocidal in our outlook, but we're genocide. Dist we want to kill all these people that's really false and dishonest. It's about what direction we're going in. The reason why Trump's getting granted this question. Why are there? 8 billion people. That's what the is domestic and then industrialization that creates a natural rise of population.

Speaker 9: One minute.

Speaker 5: It’s a purple fact. It's an empirical. He doesn't. He takes it. It is it that's Occurrence that there would be 8 billion people. That's really. That's a crazy. Way to look at. It, but again, he's defending the whole. Thing so he has. To come up with wild charges like that. But no, it couldn't happen overnight, obviously, but you can try to go in that direction toward more autonomy toward sort of. Health of. Unbuilt rule all of these things are part of it. Let's move in that direction instead of just saying, well he. He keeps saying he's not the only one, but look, since we have 8 billion people, we've gotta keep developing. We gotta have more factories. We're gonna have. No, that’s the road to absolute death.

Speaker 8: With Noam Chomsky cells.

Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he said that 18 years we got to go in the in the direction the current direction and maybe even speed it up to, completely industrialized to pay pave everything.

Speaker 8: OK.

Speaker 5: So because they'll be more and more people. Well, when do you stop that then when do you? Make a break with that. It’s anything but a given this, this just a phenomena that's part of the nature of civilization. That's the way it goes, as Tanner points out, it just keeps going until it kills everything in effect until it eats up all the resources. That's exactly what's happening.

UNKNOWN: Did they?

Speaker 7: Just to follow up on that so it is a natural progression. Are you saying that it is a natural progression? We are going towards the end of civilization, am I right?

Speaker 5: Well, it's the nature of civilization. It's not, . It's not natural in any real sense of if. If that wasn't. If that wasn't the machine that's running, then we would be quite different I think.

Speaker 1: More questions are invited. And Sanjay had to leave. He has requested you request John and others to share the key differences. That they mentioned. So he had to leave now, so that's also an important question. That key references. You can also send it to me by e-mail, or you can also share it with everyone here in the. So that was one important suggestion. So questions. Do we have any suggestions or? Somebody wants to add something to what he said and.

Speaker 7: One thing just to Adam. So because Globe is not I can say everywhere we have a geographically and even in the development. Ladder so-called development ladder. Different countries are at different level, so if this happening this going to. End the particularly the so-called civilized that code and code civilization. It will be happening. I'm just again the same the predict it will be happening in the same same. Same way, same speed or same level of intensity. All part of the world. Or some will survive in some particulars, some countries some civilization, because even in this civilization several layer of it, so it is everywhere. It is the same or it will be different.

Speaker 5: Well, there are. There are differences. Certainly there are cultural differences. There is difference in the pace of. Things in different places. I'm forced to generalize quite a lot, but yeah, but it is a totalizing thing, though, it's it does. It is relentless and it will as we can see. It wipes out these these people, these groups that. You know which don't compete? You know they lose, and whether it's disease or whatever it is, that they’re wiped out. So it's as a general rule, it's gonna it. There's no place that's safe from it. There's no lifeboat idea that you'll be exempt sooner or later, and sadly enough it's it'll be there as it has arrived pretty much everywhere. At different rates of development to be sure. You know, if I can mention here. It's just a favorite favorite text of mine, the Marshall Solens, the original affluent society. He provides a very, very tasty way to look at things in a very witty way. This essay. It's the first essay in the Book Stone Age economy. And he posits a competition between the say, a modern businessman, and somebody in the Paleolithic hunter gatherer person. And he write down the line, he says, well, the Paleolithic person just is a is a loser, just loses out. And in terms of productivity. In terms of all these different metrics, it doesn't have a chance, but then it points out that who is. If your needs are satisfied. Doesn't that sound like being happy? And if but if your needs are not satisfied. If you always want more, you can be a rich businessman, but you're poor. You're not, you're not affluent. Who's the affluent person in this picture? It’s. Can't do justice. Appraising it, but I think that's theart. Of it, and it's just wonderful. Text written way back in the early 70s I think.

Speaker 6: Can I ask? Librach about your reference to the Vikram Nanda's work and this of course related to what John would have spoken about. But you began by talking about his work on the in. Orissamongst the Highlanders.

Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah.

Speaker 6: What is the connection with the with the team? Please do he's he's been a colleague of mine? Unfortunately he's no more and so I'm very keen to know.

UNKNOWN: OK.

Speaker 1: No, no. I mean, I can definitely send. You, I mean I. Can share the. Reference and I mean he mentioned somewhere that was very interesting and striking to me when he says that we learned that the time can be wasted. So definitely he didn't go. I mean he didn't want to question civilization and he also. Mentioned that the way. The way we deal with time, how it turns. For example, time Orient, task oriented time and from that we turn into time oriented task this transition. How it all becomes hell, but there are so many, I mean powerful passes in this work. But this sentence, I mean definitely. I had my own reception for the first time. I could see it very clearly that it's not something I mean in that human nature that we should. We should deal with the time and source and that was really a. They're similar to other sentences that I have read. For example, when Mark says definitely I'm not trying, I'm not in a mood to. I mean forgive him for other parts of his life. But when you say that all the changes till now were always. How to say it was all the revolutions till now. All the changes till now was always about redistribution of work. To new set of people, work and power. And the main point is not the. Redistribution of power and work. To new set of. People, the main point is the abolition. Of power and work. Not the not the Redis. I mean, definitely. I'm not forgetting his ecocidal writings and anti anthropocentric sorry anthropocentric writings of Marx, but this was also of program. And it also relates relates to the part of the writings of John. I wanted to ask him that he deals, I mean with the topic at one place that how to stop time while time. I mean essence of time is domestications how to stop time and then I would like to. Hear from him directly that. What do you say to that I? Mean we have. Already discussed this thing, how the time shall be stopped?

Speaker 5: Well, it's a. It's a total picture. I'd say I mean. That's a symptom of something, so you can't. There is no way to abolish that without getting rid of all the rest of the whole ensemble of. It the whole. The whole setup, and domestication is a key part of that. And then, if we manage to get there someday, somehow we'll find out if there's any remaining meaning to that word in some ways. It’s a very instrumental term. It relates to the conditions of. Where we're at in modernity and it's all. You know, I mean. You can go back. To the most basic social institution, division of Labor, and where that starts changing it. I think it introduces certain gradients of authority, certain imbalances in power, slowly, very slowly. It probably unnoticeable because it all. The whole thing develops as a unitary thing. That's why It’s hard to see what's what's coming. And then it's hard to go back the other way. That's the thing about irreversibility of time. Has to do with the irreversibility, the apparent irreversibility of society. It's going very, very slowly at first, but it finally sets the stage to the division of Labor that is toward the jump toward domestication, which is a qualitative jump. But it's. I think only made possible by. Increasing division of Labor. Where probably the shaman is the 1st. Clear specialist or expert that has authority over other people exercise benignly, mostly I think, but it's a power relationship. And then that's you can closer to domestication to the real controlled ethos. That is, that only grows stronger. It feeds on itself. It's the IT has an inner logic, I would say. So we, that’s just a piece of it then, so . If it can be. Dismantled completely left behind. Then then you have. Possibly you have no more time consciousness. You don't. You're not operating in that dimension.

Speaker 1: Thank you so many more questions are invited. I mean of course it's getting late india. What's the time right now india? Or anybody else?

Speaker 6: It's close, It’s. 20 to 11.

UNKNOWN: OK.

Speaker 1: So that was one of the challenges that we had for this line up that it would. Be too late. India or how to? Have everybody at the same time and somehow. We could pull it off. So if you don't have anymore questions then I would like to invite you all for the next talk by Lailabdul Rahim. And she has already had one question from Madhuri Mukherjee about the domestication of horses. So, but let's see. I mean, we will see each other on the next the last Sunday of November, and so let us say. Let's call it. A day because it's too late india. Or do we have some questions really from India from younger generation? Ankita Priya do you have any question?

Speaker 4: OK hello.

Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have any questions?

Speaker 4: Not really, but I am really enlightened and I got a much clearer and much better perspective of what the link between domestication and time is. And this whole thing really fascinates me. And it also gives me a look for a like I look forward to a hopeful future if I can say that. So yeah, it is a very enlightening session. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1: Yeah, minel do you have any questions or. We'll have many questions, of course, because this topic is entirely new. And yeah, Sudeep you wanted. Do you want to ask something?

Speaker 9: No, there's no question as such, but I really like this, and I mean a lot of things are coming to mind, but I think I'll be putting this down and sharing with you. And I think we can share it in the.

Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to the group and John will be a part of. He's one of the. Founding members of this.

Speaker 9: Group, Yeah it was great listening to him.

Speaker 1: Like any of us. Yeah, in any case we have named it say future of Western and South future of stress in South Asia. But John is a part. Of it. So it's understood. And of course, then I. Also part of it.

Speaker 9: Yeah, it was great listening, and in fact I'm looking forward. To next next month's talk from Lila.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we will have all such sessions and again again we will come back together. Also, as in Group sessions and outlook sessions. That means that where this split between audience and performer will not be there. I mean everybody can talk about himself directly so that this not. This gap is not there. We have to do it like this. That the event is there when John was india. We also tried to prevent this production of. Event somehow it worked out somehow didn't work out, but it does. It's far better if we can overcome these kits. I mean perform audiences right and that's why this our group event and in Group event we all have our terms that everybody is has to tell about himself or his or her and herself. So yeah, because he or she can is the best person to tell and talk about himself and Hassan.

Speaker 9: Sure, sure, yeah. In fact we have discussed about that.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so as Leila said, it's always refreshing to listen to John. I mean, it rejuvenates us again gives us. I mean not only, I must confess, not only what you see, but also there's something in the sound of his wires. I mean because it was way back, it was 2010. I was at his place and my conversation with him. With him is also online. It's I mean about the first ever attempt to formulate anti work anti career anti. Civilization History of India. Yeah, and from that time that point of time till now the sound of his wires it is always there and it's like just a fresh stream stream from the mountain. It's refreshing and it rejuvenates and then again you feel young and there's lot to do, John. Thank you very much for being with. Us and your readiness to get up so early. In the morning. He was ready to get up early in the morning at 7:00 AM so that this event is not dead event that is pretty. Got it you want to have?

Speaker 2: It live as I said, you sacrificed your beauty, sleep for us and we treasure it.

Speaker 5: My pleasure.

Speaker 1: Spot on yeah OK?

Speaker 9: So then.

Speaker 8: Well, thank you very much for. That very interesting talk.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everybody is most welcome, so have a nice day. John in Americand Goodnight to our friends indiand good evening in Germany. Now all the best and see you on the last bye thanks.

Speaker 8: Bye thanks divia.

New Book

When We Are Human

The Anarchist and the Whiteaker

Interview by Wayne Parker. February, 2019.

Under The Radar: The Anarchist in Me

by Doug Harvey. ARTILLERY Magazine. September 4, 2018.

NPR Think Out Loud interview

streaming link | download mp3. May 2, 2018.

The Devil in the Plow, Clock & Book

by Martin Billheimer, counterpunch.org, April 3, 2018.

Portrait by bata Nesha, Belgrade, 2013.

Brother; drive out power in yourself. Never let it fascinate you... – Nestor Makhno

The plow marked the moment when History first entered into geological time and humankind, once a single creation out of many, began to transform the forces of general life. This civilization – the old curse of Cain, first to till and kill, primal architect of cities, the father of that pathology known as ‘Progress’. If Anarchist John Zerzan has one wish in his new book, it is that we might wake from this nightmare of myth and History. Wise children often ask their social science teachers: Why do I have to learn this junk that doesn’t matter? The teacher seldom has a good answer because the question is rarely understood: Why must I learn theirjunk, theirHistory; that is, the ghostly lessons of their wreckage.

Zerzan’s latest collection of essays is entitled A People’s History of Civilization and it will probably be met with the same derision from a self-satisfied Left which has dogged idealists even before Fourier. The influence of utopians has always been an embarrassment, as if the inspired initial spark of a political project keeps raising its shrill orphan voice while the Parties have long since grown into maturity (or senility) and realpolitik (or compromise). The anarchic idea is ageless and perfect,“an enthusiastic and Dionysian pessimism” as Novatore has it; it is necessarily outside of history, close to the uncanny spheres of obsession and dream. But after the plowshare has been broken, dream-visions have usually been met with fixed bayonets from both sides. Martyrdom is the only acceptable elite in anarchism. Who Killed Ned Ludd?, as the title of one of Zerzan’s best pieces asks. Look for the assassin at the feet of the Angel of History.

If agriculture was the original sin of History, the Fall was our descent into Symbolic forms which created a psychological removal best expressed by the use of artillery. With the epoch of History proper, beginning with the Neolithic, internal abstractions are projected outwards onto a terra nullius, a void now dedicated to the manufacture of first commodities, the domestication of animals and conflict management, in terror of the silences of a world made ancient by representation and signs. The great farming apparatus of this era mirrored institutionalized ritual and the codes of orthodox magic, which are the ancestors of surveillance technology and remote control. Division of labor lead to the great land enclosures and the dawn of the money form, nascent surplus-value with its classes of guardians, warriors, magistrates, clerics. Greek books were read in boustrophedon, which means ‘after the action of an oxen plowing a field’, each line progressing and then reversing back in a bi-directional motion, equating the patterns of informational technology with the golden gizmo of sedentary humanity. The subsequent Bronze Age saw pottery, the production of rich varieties of armaments, the complexities of credit and written script, and the formation of the great elites – and naturally, slavery. Early statecraft was far more ‘modern’ than is commonly acknowledged: banking, proto-welfare, heated toilet seats, the wide application of credit and debt enslavement (we have conveniently lost the custom of the Jubilee write-down), micro-breweries, were all part of the ancient world. Zerzan sees our much-vaulted great leaps forward as merely rarified variations on a theme, but he follows these zigzags with penetration and a knack for devilled detail.

The other irruption into the natural world is that old monster, Time. Zerzan rejects the picture of an unbroken continuum where all tributaries lead to an inviolable present, a comforting illusion which mirrors the artifice of irrigation systems and continues to haunt all ideologies. The capitalist regimen of days reduces dynamism to the motors of production and psychology to an internal fateful machine (it also allows our current Neoliberal ideologues to declare that all historical epochs are over). With some reservations, Zerzan co-opts three rough historical eras from Spengler and Jaspers to chart the fairly abysmal record of human enlightenment. After all, a good anarchist cannot totally dismiss the solemn judgment of Nihilism. Yet Zerzan sees a constant spirit of revolt puncturing the gray impenetrable historical mass: revelatory and salvific moments, anarchies when ‘the passion for destruction’ and unlettered prophecy break through the chronologies of States. His chapters on labor history are full of madcap millenarians, outré unionists, and the ‘aristocracy’ of damned refusal. The much-maligned angry mobs of the Middle Ages, a period usually rendered as a vast darkness before the autocratic glory of the Renaissance, were not always witch-hunters and fanatics – many were intransigent partisans against monarchic cruelty and the despotism of the Church. We can characterize Anarchic Time as a series of sudden raids into the Legal-Capital span, transversal lines used like a mocking sniper’s sight at the colossus of History.

Despite his antagonism to much of the traditional Left, Zerzan shares two of Marx’s voices: the polemical and the historic-analytical. One of his main criticisms of Marx – or more properly, of Marxists– is that only the means of production are to be handed over the working class, not the means to fundamentally change or halt what is produced. Even if all production were localized in people’s democratic communes, metabolism between worker and land is never possible because the land is still seen as abject material. This fatal mistake can only produce a resurgent bourgeoisie, soon back in charge again as both Bakunin and Trotsky wryly predicted. Thus, the laws of the capitalist mode of production will inevitably return behind whatever cosmetic façade tragedy chooses to trade for farce.

There is also the question of Power; or rather, the claim to Power. Who would elect to be powerless in the face of the Beast? But, Pasolini: “Nothing is more anarchic than power. Power does what it wants and what it wants is totally arbitrary or dictated by its economic reasons which escape common logic.” Two possibilities, then? Careless, heedless resistance and the power of the refusal of old power (the power of the doomed?); and the historically-commandeered application of Power, uncontrollable and fraught with unintended consequences, riddled with dialectical traps for both socialist and capitalist states. And is the power of the State only able to be broken by another rival power? Can this rival power ever be rejected in turn, after it has smashed all the old statues? And if it cannot, then perhaps a reign of terror by the oppressed is always justified, necessary and righteous in its dark parody of unjustice, an act of cleansing for the wretched of the earth? Are such questions even worth asking, as they hardly apply to the time-beside-time of anarchist revolution – or if they do, are they not equally applicable to the other political schools? Is not every revolutionary some anarchist, but only before the Revolution’s final victory? Still, as per Zerzan, theory and practice of Power might itself be yet another hostile intrusion into humanity, just like the disciplines of History, Agriculture and Time. Certainly, ideas of power run through historical processes – but they do not necessarily ordain destiny. Perhaps they did not even create the past. Power is not a thing but a relation between things, to use a little Marx. It has its applications, its system of violence and peace, its doctors and its various schools, on every level of society. Maybe we need anti-education, like we need anti-history.

Recent work on archeology and society, notably by David Graeber & David Wengrow here, indicates that Zerzan may be mistaken in his essential schema of agriculture-hierarchy-civilization (as would be capitalists and authoritarians). The ages of the earth now seem to weave in and out with a much more Lamarckian than Social Darwinist loom. Technologies appeared and were rejected and did not necessarily follow each other automatically; leadership at times existed only temporarily, then life fell back by season into egalitarianism (this may be the ritual source of the sacralization of kings in Frazer’s Golden Bough); large communities existed in ‘urban’ environments, but seemed to have functioned in some cases as true decentralized soviets; agrarian projects were maintained without the evolution of grain capital hordes (and were abandoned when deemed unnecessary); private property did not always arise out of mass farming and hunter-gatherers could prove more rigid and tiered than farmers. Earlier epochs may have been more fluid and more able to sustain multiple ideas of culture than our own; almost all we knew of them until now came from the speculations of various ideologues. Yet this may be exactly where Zerzan’s anarchic eruptions look back to, look forward to, both announce and recall, which makes his central hypothesis irrelevant and proves his argument against the fabrication known as History. So he ends his book with a beautiful gloss on Benjamin’s ninth thesis from Theses on the Philosophy of History (1940), that mysterious and profound meditation at the twilight of irony, legend and lived life:

A messianic dimension is needed if history is to be redeemed, if a part of our happiness our ancestors could not have is to be validated. To ‘awaken the dead and make whole what has been smashed.’ To unmask the paradigm of history and its fundamentally legitimizing enterprise. Time and history ceaselessly advance all encompassing domination; a rupture, a break is needed… a break with history. Were conscripted into history and we must make our exit from it.

Zerzan notes a choice of targets by radicals in 1830 which may augur this escape: a clock tower. Shoot out the Symbolic with the guns of the Real, then forward to the very Capital of Pain. Avanti popolo, alla riscossa...

Articles

- Archive of articlesat theanarchistlibrary.org

- green-anarchy.wikidot.com

- Interview in Journal for the Study of Radicalism with Arthur Versluis. Vol. 2, Issue 1, 2007. Click here

Interview with Roc Morin for Vice

Source

The Industrial Revolution wasn’t just about economics. As Foucault says, it was more about imposing discipline. It started to dawn on me, maybe technology has always been that way.

Interview with Martin Pavelka for More Thought

Source

Are people happy with domestication, with leading domesticated lives? I think the answer is, resoundingly, 'no.'

Disinfo interview

Source

Today, because of not despite technology, we are more and more isolated. Community, the fundamental aspect of non-domesticated and non-industrial life, is gone.

Telegraph interview

Source

We've never had more technology than now, and it's coming out faster than ever. But that's exactly why I think people will start pushing back. They are beginning to see that technology doesn't deliver on its promises.

On Steve Jobs' Legacy

Source

You can wax poetically about this clean, gleaming thing that is the Steve Jobs product, but in order to get it you have to have the ugly, systematic assault on the natural world.

We Heard Screaming (2012)

Source

As community heads to a vanishing point, social ties and human solidarity are lost, of course. Nihilistic acts, including shootings, are symptoms of the isolating emptiness of mass society. How could it be otherwise?

Happiness (2011)

Source

Is happiness really possible in a time of ruin? Can we somehow flourish, have complete lives? Is joy any longer compatible with the life of today?

Silence (2008)

Source

“Silence used to be, to varying degrees, a means of isolation. Now it is the absence of silence that works to render today's world empty and isolating. Its reserves have been invaded and depleted.”

The Left? No thanks! (2008)

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“ ...it isn't anarchism that is moving forward, but anarchy. Not a closed, Eurocentric ideology but an open, no-holds-barred questioning and resisting.”

Seize the Day (2006)

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“Ours is an incomparable historical vantage point. We can easily grasp the story of this universal civilization's malignancy...”

No Way Out? (2003)

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“The nature of the civilization project was clear from the beginning. As the swiftly arriving product of agriculture, the intensification of domination has been steady and sure...”

Why Primitivism? (2002)

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“For a new orientation the challenge is at a depth that theorists have almost entirely avoided.”

Anarchy Radio

Since the millennium change John Zerzan has been expressing his anti-civilization views on his one hour live radio show, "AnarchyRadio." By audio streaming (KWVA 88.1 FM) you can listen to "AnarchyRadio" live each week on Tuesdays at 7pm PST and express your views by calling 541-346-0645 during the live broadcast.

Listed below are the archives of "AnarchyRadio."

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2022

12-13-2022

[audio] The "promise" of nuclear fusion (?) To keep doing what should've never begun. Environment crashing, accelerated ruin on all fronts. Ads of the week: Samsung (Let's Go Outside...VR) and Boston University (Data Reigns). BBC's Burn Wild series(?) Resistance reports. Girl Scouts tout 5G for merit patch. "Living Off the Land," Kayla Sulak. Elon Musk booed off SF stage. :What Twitter Does to our Sense of Time (12-13 NYT). AI Art, ChatGPT replace human creativity, artists hail luddites. Two calls.

Transcript

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Speaker 5: Oh God.

ZERZAN: Yes, it's the December 13th version of Anarchy Radio. A little bit of Kevin Tucker there and his friends. Where are you, Kevin?

Speaker 6: Catherine is.

ZERZAN: Going to be here tonight. She was aboard the train in Portland, but it didn't leave Portland, it clipped the back end of this semi. Just minutes into the trip and she was stuck on the train for three hours while they tried to figure out if they could safely proceed if they could go South. On the rails, but but they came back to the station, then by then it was too late to figure out how to. Get down here in time so. We're going to get back. On the. Regular second Tuesday of the month next month, January. Oh, it's the coldest, darkest time. Of the year. Well, literally next week a week from now, it's winter solstice. And let's see a week from tomorrow, whether tomorrow, a year ago tomorrow. I'm trying to say Ted Kaczynski was transferred from the maximum joint. The federal joint in southern Colorado to a federal prison hospital in North Carolina. So he's survived just about a year. Exactly, and he was kind of. Signing off, he didn't think he'd be around much longer, but he still is. Uh, let's see. Remind me to call Mother Bartimus. Or somebody else. And or somebody else? As Carl says, 5413460645.

Speaker 6: Well, a little.

ZERZAN: More on farmageddon. All the fir trees. In Oregon, in particular, dying off. This is the new Sunday 1.1 million acres of dead furs worst ever in the 75 years of. That's sort of recording quite the blight, and it's not the only tree species being stressed. Going to have a call already. I do believe.

Speaker 6: Yeah, we have Todd. I think you must talk about AI art. Oh all right?

Speaker 4: Let me let me get the right button.

Speaker 6: Thank you have that hello Todd.

Speaker 4: Here we go.

Speaker 5: Hey hey John, how are you?

ZERZAN: Good good what's happening.

Speaker 5: Well, I have been, I'm sure I don't know how closely you've been following this, but you know, in the last few months these AI art. Algorithms have just been accelerating really rapidly, and you know over the last. I would just say in the last three weeks, you know you're really starting to see an organized backlash. By visual artists and some of them are interestingly, rallying the Luddites. There was a big thread thread on Twitter today by this artist Molly Crabapple that has hundreds. You know, 10s of thousands of likes, lots of people, commenting where she's making an argument that you know the Luddites are really not something to be ashamed of. That this was an organized movement of skilled people who. Who felt they were, you know, being marginalized and their livelihoods were threatened. And and we're also looking at something more profound, and she's basically rallying visual artists to do the same. To say that these these AI algorithms need to be stopped and that they that people should not deal with companies that. Just them and I'm just seeing lots of videos on YouTube because they're these artists who have communities and they're they're kind of rallying, you know, and they're people. Talk and it's it's sad too. There's a lot of people talking about suicide. If you can believe it, you know giving up their art. You know it's really getting to a point, and so I just wanted to let you know that and think about.

Speaker 6: Man, yeah.

Speaker 5: Maybe there's an opportunity here, and here's where it comes in, where I've been channeling you, you're writing a little bit is I've been arguing with people on Twitter a little bit, and I've been telling them, you know, maybe your stand shouldn't be at the level of art. You know, maybe you need to step back and say, maybe maybe. Part of the problem. Is that art itself is a little compromised and the the ease that the computers have in mimicking your art maybe says something and it's hard for them to see this, but about the the the some of the inadequacy of visual art. And maybe the fact that computers are taking down this kind of the one part of symbolization which was supposed to be impenetrable. Table is a moment for people to think more profoundly about these deeper questions about civilization and symbolism. So I wanted to. See if you. Thought maybe there's a way for for people who are interested in those ideas to kind of use this moment to tell people to not make their stand only at. The level of art.

ZERZAN: Wow, that gets into deeper waters. Yeah, it suggests that that could be an order as well at some point because the the obvious part is where is individual creativity. If the machine does it and and. And maybe can't distinguish that product from what you're doing. And then you get into the second part of what you bring up here. Representation itself is that when is that really carried the ball? I mean, it's. You see how you know immemorial arts can save us and. Art like the the word Earth, the three little letters are art as if that's going to save the Earth. And it hasn't. Of course, it just deepens the problems. And on one level that's for sure. Yeah, that’s, it's something else. It's really and right hand in hand with that is this. Chat GPT, you probably noticed that as well. It was, you know, there was a piece in the New York Times on Friday.

Speaker 5: Oh yeah.

ZERZAN: The brilliance and weirdness of chat GPT, which can write to jokes, essays, texts you know, and so forth so. Not only the artist but the writers are up against it. Once you get the. This so-called machine learning going it isn't actually learning, but it's you know it produces something that's done. It's used and that tells you something about the culture, that's it. What's going on with that? It's what you say.

Speaker 5: It is, it is. John, I think it is getting a little scary because I know for a long time you know. And I’ve listened. To your program. And you're right, you know. People have said, well, the AI it's not going to be as as successful as we think. You know it's going to have these limitations. It's only you know. Mimicking and I think part of the reason this chat BGP T is unsettling. Along with the AR is people are starting to come to the conclusions that it is novel. You know that it comes up with novel solutions very quickly and that it it has a certain intelligence they don't quite know what how to frame it because it's you know it. It is still. It's still like an elaborate. You know. It's still just a linear regression. You know you. Know what I mean it? It's sort of just at the end of the day. That intelligence it's just solving a multivariable formula, but it does seem to have this novelty to it, and I think people are scared like they've never been.

ZERZAN: Well yeah, the the people that push that are always tempted to make all these claims and promises, I mean, but it's a as you say, it's it's really the basic algorithmic level. It's it knows patterns. It can mimic patterns, reproduce them and manipulate them to some degree for sure. And then you get. Something like what? Well, you know, like say had done a TV show. It doesn't take it, you know incredible. Individuality to write that sort of stuff so and it and once again it tells you about the the thinness and the dumbness of the culture. And not just that, but you know deeper.

Speaker 5: Well, here's where here's where it gets scary.

ZERZAN: Stuff than that.

Speaker 5: I agree with you that like it's nothing that produces as beautiful or right necessarily or better than humans in isolation. But what people are starting to realize is they can kind of. Link things up. You know one of the things that it does very well is it writes computer code which is interesting. It writes computer code better than a human language. If you can believe it, like it, it it developed an act for that. And So what that means is that it's going to accelerate the degree to which people can write complex software, because they're just going to kind of. If that makes sense, like give the computer that each individual step tell it to write the code for that step, and so in a couple of hours you could write an elaborate program that would have to. And you much longer if that makes sense. So it's it's. I don't think. It's going to. It doesn't like have this mind of its own that can like take a problem. And solve the whole thing. Yet, but it's going to accelerate everything. I think very quickly.

ZERZAN: Yeah, it's part of the current. It's part of the accelerating thing and it it affects everything. That's it's the speed of it all and the. And people are used to the shortcuts. You know it's supposed to be, well, we are conditioned to to various degrees. To to make that leap. You know it's just it stands in for what was something more, uh? Particular and specific, and now it's it's becoming. Standardized and like like everything else, so where can you see the difference? I mean and one of my favorite quotes is you probably know I've heard. Anyway, Alan Turing in 1950 writing in the journal Mind. He he predicted in 50 years, which will be passed across that, the problem won't be so much that machines can. Let's copy us, but the distance between. I mean.

ZERZAN: But we'll be copying the machine. We'll be, you know. It's not the machine, it's it's the poverty of the of a more standardized culture under the brain of computers. You know that's what he was afraid of, and that's exactly what's happened. You know that.

ZERZAN: I think it's a large to to a larger degree.

Speaker 5: And I think you know what is interesting is I've been kind of captivated at the way that people are using the. Rhythms because what is interesting is that the the the air algorithms.

Speaker 6: Actually do give.

Speaker 5: You some more profound insights into nature? Oddly enough, because in order to produce the AI, you know they have to. The algorithms have to learn about the way light moves and space and microscopic things, and you would think that. It would be an opportunity for people to learn more about themselves or nature or physics and kind of, you know, find out the things that the AI is trying to teach you about the world or about you know nature, if that makes sense, but instead. Or just using it to make like advanced computer. You know, silly graphics of anime and video game art, and it's produced these. You know what one of the things that AI art does, and the way people use it, which is interesting is the A art has a lot of trouble and I know this is a theme is of for simplicity for silence. You know it's not then. Every airc uses every single inch of the page. With these elaborate you know Arabic. You know geometries, it's always expanding. It can't deal with simplicity.

Speaker 6: Right, right?

Speaker 5: And and so that's kind of the way humans are going to be is, you know, it's humans are going to be, and they are. Are you just going to work? You know, in this type of production to just produce mass and mass of content and material it's going to. Get out of control. I think very quickly.

ZERZAN: Well, it's going that way. I mean, in the door note called it referred to it as the bustle, you know, the business. You just have to. Produce and conquer everything and the directness is gone. You know you, you, the way you, you know, commune with nature is to commune with nature, not through a machine. I mean, that’s anyway, that it gets into a lot of interesting things. Todd, I appreciate your call very much. It's a great way to.

Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and I I, I hope you will think more about.

ZERZAN: Kick off the show here.

Speaker 5: I do think there's an opportunity now for this to think more to to expose people to this critique of art itself.

ZERZAN: Yeah, there you go. There you go, let's hope. Let's push that. Take care man. Well, let's see get a little more environmental stuff. We can sneak in here. The Keystone Pipeline you remember that? Getting the oil down from Canada. The worst kind of it actually from the tar sands in particular. Perfectly safe and all these people whining and wringing their hands about well, this is the story on Friday, the Keystone Pipeline system was shut down by an operator TC Energy after an oil spill released an estimated 14,000 barrels. Into a Creek in Washington County, Kansas. And it would happen, and it's probably happening more than. We know about. Boy, the mass extinction news. Very recent UN report talking about the this what's in the news? A little bit. Now is the. Montreal climate summit. Dealing with the well, it's called Conference of the Parties of the Convention of Biological Diversity or COP 15. Unlike the other COP. 27 This is, yeah, it's all about biodiversity. And the some of the reading on this. It's oh, it's going to be just so momentous. The fate of the entire living room will be determined in Montreal, Canada. What not? And that follows a recent UN report that showed not a single target from the summit's previous 2010 agreement has been met. Not even one. Just like the other COP thing, the even bigger than this one. And even at least as phony. Yet some people just need it up. They're just, oh boy, it's going to. Be so important. It's just it's monumental. Fraud is what it really is. Except it's it isn't fraudulent in the sense that you can find out the results. So have they met any of these lofty goals? These targeted to cuts in emissions and so forth. No, never. So it's quite insane. And part partly to this from the International Union for Conservation of Nature's. Updated Red List of threatened species. There's a mouthful anyway. This the IUCN talking about some 15150 species. They're right on the verge of extinction. And the switch gears are a little bit. You know this whole thing about work. The value of work, the meaning of work in your life. All that is, is still. Hanging around and. Todd was making the point that perhaps this opens on to deeper questions the deeper questioning. Well, this is from RC. From the Daily Mail last Thursday. Almost a quarter of a million young people. This is the UK currently not working. Say they never plan to get a job. So forth poll of 18 to 24 year olds found that a staggering 227,000 youngsters. Currently out of a job we're not studying claim they never intend to enter the labor market. Oh, that's pretty significant. And when that happens, release the.

Speaker 6: Some people need it.

ZERZAN: Yeah and well, let's see. One other environmental thing. From yesterday's New York Times, India puts growth before climate. Because they've got to compete in the world system and power. Energy is the prime value.

Speaker 6: Well, I was last.

ZERZAN: In India 10 years ago 2010. In lot in many of the more northern parts of. India to say the least can't breathe the air. Is way worse a decade later? Now it's just a it literally. You can't breathe there. You can't let children be breathing that air, for example. And not only kids. It's kind of staggering this is what the machine. Produces and thrives on. And another OK thing. This is also via. Richard in the Daily Mail last Thursday locate is worst in the world for diabetes. Rise in the young. Type 2 diabetes. Have quadrupled since 1990 quadrupled. That's not that long ago. Worst in the world so. India isn't the only problem. Problematic place. And the work thing. A little more on that. Let's see, this is from money watch. And the findings from the Federal Reserve of Boston. Their economics department of trend. That they've been president for decades? Why have so many men? This is the US, of course. Why have so many men given up on the idea of holding? Down a job. Yeah, the name. Of the piece, why have so many American men given up on work? Yeah, corresponding to that. Peace from the UK. That's kind of major news. And the I don't know, possibly somewhat related. This is from the New York Times last Friday. American men are unsatisfied with how many friends they have. That survey found the uptick in loneliness predates the pandemic, but seems to have accelerated in the past several years. So giving up on. Work and but having. Few friends that's been noticed since the 80s. The downward trend of. People socializing, not just men, but the average number of friends people have. Taking a big drop. And fairly short order. Let's see, I forgot who sent me this, but there's a new film from England. All the lonely people. Yet again, more on isolation and loneliness.

Speaker 6: If I'm sharing.

ZERZAN: A lot in the hidden pandemic of loneliness. Feature stories from people in Shropshire and Birmingham. The middle part of England. A little notes of linen. And once again, the health effects. UK's Heather Osborne said. Researchers said loneliness can be bad for you as smoking 15 cigarettes a day. It has an impact on. Heart disease and other things. While hearing the era of mass shootings. It was reported today. Three dead northwest of Rome, 6 dead. In rural Australia, Speaking of mass shootings? Well, they got a ways to catch up to the USA 600 mass shootings in the US so far this year. Well, less than a month ago. But and that's again it's defined by. When four or more people are. Killed with firearms. We had a wonderful evening at Sam Bond. 's Not the last Sunday of the month because I think the last Sunday of the month is Christmas or very close to it. So we got that Sunday evening and Fern Tom said. Gave a great presentation. Very interesting. And her experiences in education, including owning and education projects. Very good discussion. Yeah, that was a that was a winner. We we continue on with the. Monthly so-called book club. She just she co-authored a book on the nature of the university and in the time of crisis. And we're going to go back to the last Sunday of the month. Sunday evening of the month in January and we don't know who. We will be the speaker, but there will be I'm sure. I'm sure a good one. Well, let's see. We could we could put in a. Music break right now.

Speaker 4: We got some Marianne faithful.

Speaker 8: Born in 1938. A Goodyear for the right he could not participate. She didn't have the right. Was fatherless? Now it's 1966 Andrew's up to all his tricks, and when Brian Jones is near, Nicole doesn't feel so great she's. In the ship. No, she's just today. Yes, today is gone. Yesterday is just today. Now it's Andy Warhols, time Mystic 60s on a dime though she kinda likes you. Doesn't really have the need. Ready in the shade? So she's innocent and now she doesn't know. What it is? She wants and where she wants to go and where. Yes, she's in the shade. She is in a sense, there's just today. Yes today is born. Yes, pleasure together. Today there's just today. There's just today.

ZERZAN: And faithful, yes indeed. Well, there's a series going on at BBC called Burn Wild. I don't know how many people have heard of that with the producer. From UK was over here. And I caught a couple of episodes yesterday. The first one, sort of by accident. I thought I was getting episode 5. But I actually got episode 7. The whole thing is has it #5 on it. So if you're looking for a certain one.

Speaker 4: We got a call. Yeah we have Artemis on the line. OK thanks Carl.

ZERZAN: Hello my friend.

Speaker 9: Hey, how's it going?

ZERZAN: Pretty good, pretty good.

Speaker 6: There is blue metal.

Speaker 9: What's that? It said it's been a? Since I last called in.

ZERZAN: Yes, yes, you're no longer a regular. How are you?

Speaker 9: I'm doing well. I wanted to to give a call not just, but what we emailed. But Todd touched on a lot and you mentioned the chat GPT AI just today giving my final. A student says I want to turn and turn in my paper and said all right, you were done quick shows it to me and I'm like this is really good. Notice some really like some strong structural problems, but I'm like these are common. Oh yeah, I didn't write it and a I did. I'm just messing. I have my actual one I. Looked at it, I couldn't tell wow. And he he did it, he just put in the prompts for the essay that I posted.

Speaker 6: But that was it.

ZERZAN: So it's simple, wow.

Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a free website. You just sign in and you put in any prompts and he said five paragraphs, which was my expectation. Cite it this way and it did it.

ZERZAN: Oh, there it is. Folks available on geez. And what what grade is this?

Speaker 9: These were my seniors. Yeah, so it's funny. I made a joke, I was like, oh God forbid I made you handwrite this and they're like you couldn't read my handwriting. I haven't written anything in years. I was like, oh, stop, don't tell me that.

ZERZAN: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9: My students are one to one with computers, meaning every student has a a Chromebook that's given to them and we are encouraged to. To have them use it, because I can only print X amount of copies in a month, so it's like they forced me to. Do it to use it. So I just it's crazy you had an interesting discussion on the use of technology and that stuff in the classroom after everything was done. And it's really nice to be able to have that with outside of. Political with my students, you know it was a really cool cool situation. I had one student say this is just the future of writing and someone turned and said weren't you the person that complained about AI stealing art? How is this any different and he said, well, it just. I love that argument. It just is.

ZERZAN: Yeah, well, that's the bottom line to everything, isn't it really the inertia? You can have all the arguments, but there it is. Yeah, that's the sad part. Of it.

Speaker 9: Just you know, I was thinking about that and then he mentioned as I might as well to add to the cynicism. Another thing is, I appreciate you mentioning the anti technology is not dead scene that dropped. I want to point out that that's from SCIV distro. They're an anti SIV anticolonial. Outlet, and they're they're awesome. I curated all the essays but they were awesome enough to turn it into a Zine form and distribute it. So shout out to them.

ZERZAN: Yes, it was great to make that discovery. I hadn't heard of that project. Yeah, nice job on that. It's lovely to have something so strong and jump out.

Speaker 9: I was just surprised to see it's it's. It's almost like old style artwork and design. The aesthetic of it, reminding me of old. Scenes that I have. So I thought it was really to do that. So again I wanted to thank you for giving that shout out. It's it's they appreciated it. I appreciated. It as well.

ZERZAN: Very good stuff man yeah.

Speaker 9: And I also think you might find this funny. I've been reading some old green anarchy copies and I was reading and I think it's #18 that focuses on class struggle and I was during my during my off period. And I wanted to send it to a friend, but they don't have. A phone, so I just used the school. Copier to make copies? Yeah, I'll say hopefully no one. No one should see this, but.

Speaker 6: Good work.

Speaker 9: Thank you so yeah I shot you the e-mail a couple of days ago. I've had some friends that are. Let's start just a general kind of radical environmentalist primitivist book. Get people interested. And so I wanted your input. I've been talking to Kevin and I had this idea of your people. History of civilization would be easily one of them, because I think it's one of the most successful. But non dogmatic primitivist touch to some people they write, you know they write very like oh, here's all the assumptions you should be operating on and you just so you know it's people's history.

Speaker 6: Oh, thank you.

Speaker 9: It's meant to be accessible as in Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. That's a personal cult favorite of mine, and students read it. I have it on my bookshelf I've had. Two students read it this semester. And they love it.

ZERZAN: Oh wow, that's great and I won't you probably heard if you did hear the at the top. The reason why Catherine isn't here the train accident. So she was tuned into that question. What books would you recommend? It gets going on the brain group thing like that, and unfortunately she's not there tonight to answer that. But yeah, that's. Yeah, there's there's some very good stuff out there. Quite a lot of. It really it's. Oh gosh no. I'm blanking on the.

Speaker 6: The guy that in.

ZERZAN: The late 90s wrote, oh, Paul Shepherd Paul Shepherd.

Speaker 9: Right?

Speaker 6: Right?

Speaker 9: Of loudness by Tucker, which made a lot of things clear to me. The wildness versus wilderness. Things confusing and Tucker made it really clear, so hasn't that. As like a follow up. And even having. A row does even a green energy. I think it was a collective one. It was like reclaiming thorough for anarchism like his essay Walking Meditation. I find super important to myself.

ZERZAN: Yes, oh, a big big favor of mine, yeah?

Speaker 9: So I don't know. I didn't wanna put you on the spot to be like now. Take some books and. It's something that I heard that also. I hope she was OK. And that you know no one was hurt.

ZERZAN: Yeah, yeah it was just a little upsetting and she didn't want to miss the show, but she wasn't injured. In fact nobody was injured.

Speaker 9: That's good.

ZERZAN: Yeah, yeah, I hope that gets going. There is and. You know, I would imagine people who who. Are interested will. The recommended. Probably right away or more or less.

Speaker 9: Yet it's really interesting that suddenly I've just found other clear, particularly clear interval primitivists all of a sudden, some of you have been following some of my writing. They were sent me, listened to the Doctor Steve's podcast and sent it alongside Doctor Steve's resources to her professor who was teaching the old 12,000 years Clovis culture. Everyone was Clovis somehow. Across the whole hemisphere, and she sent my podcast. And the professor was like, Oh well, I have a masters. I know what I'm talking.

ZERZAN: Oh sorry.

Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's fine. I'll send me some about the professor. It turns out they go to the university. That's five. Minutes away I was like, whoa. Go there and so we're connecting and we're actually hoping to start the scene. Journal inspired mostly by species trader and green anarchy called plastic in utero. A little bit of a Nirvana reference, but also the words of.

Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9: Plastic is in people's uteruses and infants before they're born, right. So we're hoping to do something like that. Hopefully get started when they did a winter break. Hopefully get something like that going.

ZERZAN: Wow, that's marvelous. I love the wording on.

Speaker 9: That yeah, I'm excited and we also have some really pathetic indigenous friends who are hoping that as green anarchy did again to reference is the indigenous resistance. They're really excited to try and get. They're always interested. They see like primitivism in their view of. The non non-native centered reimagination and so. Like when I told him about Anarcho primitivism, he was a yell like that's what people that are not my people need. It's a story. It's a hit that people can connect to, and so he is excited to be a part of the project. It's all suddenly coming together very quickly. It's almost overwhelming. I'm like God, it's.

ZERZAN: Andy news yeah. Well, thanks for sharing that, that's great.

Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, all right I'll I won't check that takes up anymore of your time and I appreciate it. Hopefully next time she's on or if she can e-mail me you can e-mail me. I think getting anymore book recommendations that I might be overlooking would be awesome so.

ZERZAN: OK yeah, very good. Take care.

Speaker 6: All right?

Speaker 9: You too.

Speaker 6: Bye bye wow.

Burn Wild

ZERZAN: Couple of super high quality cars. Well, I was saying something about the Burn Wild series, which starts out talking about the ELF. There was an interview with Joseph Debb who just came in from the cold and. Yeah, Ford and I were hopeful about this because the two people that were doing it seemed to have a genuine curiosity about all these. Things they don't know. They weren't super informed about some things, but then. Anyway, I happen to by accident, listen to episode 7.

And I don't want to get into a bunch of weeds on this but Chelsea Gerlach. This episode was a kind of love fest between her and her FBI prosecutor who sent her away for 9 years. And I had a lot of trouble with that, how wonderful, how marvelous to have dialogue and I don't think certainly not in this episode, and I'm betting that not in any other subsequent episodes that they touch on the fact that there are people where Jessica, like lives who are not real keen, not advising toward a loving embrace of somebody who ratted out other people. That somehow went missing in the story of her and this is an issue that I think has died down. I don't think there there were actually physical fights over this maybe a year or two ago or something like that.

Is it a good idea to trust somebody who's a proven snitch and who doesn't have any problem with having been a snitch? Have you ever heard of security culture? I mean, it's not like we want assumes that you know all of these people or any of these people are doing illegal stuff, but you know, just in general I mean how does that work if you're? I guess if you're a nice liberal, then what's the problem? You know, why aren't you down with her and you know that's kind of ignorant. It seems to me and the. One of the. Fault lines of this burn wild thing is right there.

The one I was kind of looking for was and was advised to to listen to. It is episode 5. Which is about Eugene Whitaker ickies And the Unabomber, I'm in there too. And I would have to say I got to say what I wanted to say, but the overall thing here is not much ideas. It's more People magazine style journalism, this audio series. And as I said, the question of violence. It's it's what runs through this is is a kind of obsession with the question of violence. And I said, and I think it is a very serious question. You know the you want to avoid a slippery slope like justifying violence and you know that whole thing is always on the table. It seems to me or it should be. But to is that the only question? I mean well in terms of the Unabomber and I’ve made it plain that I do not advocate sending bombs in the mail, but also were those people so innocent. When you see what's going down and. You know so much life expires every minute. Which is again not to say blowing up three people was a great idea. Especially via the mail anyway, there's a lot to that, but. They they were kind of shocked that that any violence would ever be justified.

And that whole question of defining violence. I don't personally define that as including property damage, targeted property damage, but some people do. No, it is violence. It's violent, and we're going to. It's justified, well, yeah, it's a matter of definition, but. Anyway, we were a little disappointed with the the thing and I haven't heard all of it, but. They were a little bit. I don't know and. And the stuff I said I was referring to cops as pigs. They were quite shocked, quite shocked. I guess they never heard of the 60s for one thing, but anyway, take a look for yourself.

Action Reports

ZERZAN: Some recent resistance outbreaks in Frankfurt. There was a big attack on several large excavators working on the. Tunnel thing. Under the reader bald. Magnificent solidarity of the occupation of the second Heim Forest. Which has been going on since the fall of 2021. I did not. Get a translation. I could not find the translation. This is from Athens librarian Speedex and that would be interesting to find the wine speedex. We take responsibility for the arson of vehicles. Which vans and trucks that were outside the Speedex store? In Athens. Yeah, I don't read Greek so I don't know what the answer to that is. And December 1st. This happened in Rome. Let's see. No at Torino, but this is reported having to do with the court proceedings in Rome. Where the fate of anarchist comrade Alfredo Hospital is being determined in the early morning hours, we decided to sabotage the traffic lights of numerous intersections in Turin. Thus contributing to multiplying the morning chaos of this asphyxiating city. You want to take away our voice. We cut off your light. That's what they say. And on December 6th. There was rioting in. Greece's second city, the Saloniki north of Athens. After a March for Alexandre's, Gregor Oplocks, who was killed by cops in 2008. The day before December 5th, there were extensive rights in Athens and this will. Want to keep? Protests in many towns around the. Country after the shooting in the head of a 16 year old Roma Kid, Costas Frangoulis. Also December 6th. Yeah, there was a there was a. An arrest and damage to Perez Bank ATM that Perez is the port of Athens. As the minimal expression of anger against the murdering state, also in terms of. Both of the aforementioned people that were. Shot by police. You know this is an odd coincidence here. A little funny story there was. At one of the latter. Well, it was 2010. I think it was San Francisco anarchist book Fair in Golden Gate Park. Leah Keith Had come up with a book called The Vegetarian Myth. She'd been a vegan I believe, and this was scandalous to the many vegans who were there. And it turns out that a lot of her figures and facts come from the meat industry, which didn't help her case either kind of in Appalachia for meat. And so she was doing this workshop presenting. Her book and. Three different, I would guess vegans, masked vegans. Ran up on the stage from the wings and each one pied her. And it broke up the thing I mean. And people were, I think somebody was throwing stuff from the audience as well, and. Anyway, I was one of the people who was hanging out out front of the. Hall there and going to be parked just. Chatting with people and. She came running out she she screamed as somebody called the cops. And Tom is one of the main. Organizers are bound together. Person of years was trying his best to persuade her. Please don't call the cops. We can deal with this here. You know, internally we. Can strain it out and I'm sorry. You got tied and. Anyway, the police showed up almost instantly. I think they were. Kind of watching things nearby and she she claimed that there was red pepper in the cream pies and I was standing right next to where she pulled up to the curb or ran up to the curb where the police cruiser came and her eyes were not red there. That's not no trace of that, but. I guess you wanted to make it sound worse than it was, and so the cops, two cops got out and she said she was attacked. In there and. And they said attacked by anarchists, then they're sort of salivating. I think over that prospect, and she said, no vegans, and these cops kind of looked at each other like it wasn't clear at all whether they even knew what vegan means. But they kind of scratched their heads and got back in their cruiser. Left they couldn't pin it on anarchists, I mean, these vegans were anarchists, and almost certainly anyway, but that wasn't the point. That wasn't the point of getting pied, so. Anyway, Long story short, but there was let's see. This was last Wednesday's story and it's going down. Once again she got pied. Some years later she was leading a. Small turf demo. You know hate speech against trans folks. And yeah, that got a little bit interesting. She was doing. She was leading this little demo. I think it was. Only 10 people, or maybe not even. 10 people with Kara Dansky, who's another turf. Person trans exclusionary radical feminists. Nothing radical or feminist about it, and most people's views anyway. Kara Dansky is a favorite with Tucker Carlson. Who's a piece of reactionary? You know what? White nationalists and the whole 9 yards so. You know more and more are just so predictably these anti trans people are are just indistinguishable from the. Trump's people like Tucker Carlson. Yeah, they had their little demo and then nearby they rented to 20 or so. Opposition is and then pied her in and apparently these two were even hit with eggs, so they. Again, a little taste of what? Trans people often go through much worse than that anyway. Yeah, it's a little bit of. The news there and. What's going on in China? I don't know if it rivals what's going on in. In Iran, after almost three months now, but. Front page piece. New York Times. Article deep discontent in Chinese youth goes past COVID, so it's not only just about the COVID restrictions there. It's about no future for the young in China. I got a couple of ads of the week, then been forgetting all about ads. Of the week. One is Samsung's my favorite. This gets the number one rating I'd say. It's it's a television ad. It shows the dad getting off the couch. He says to the child. Let's go to the playground. And they. They leave the room, and then when they come back, the mother. Kind of winks, and she says, I know where the playground is. It's a VR ad there. There ain't no playground. There's just the playground of synthetic. Or is that stuff via virtual reality? Yeah, the playground. Well, that's where the playground is headed. It's you don't go outside God no. There was a Sunday's New York Times two page ad for Boston University and it read in part everyone needs a strong foundation in data Science today. Data science is essential to every discipline today. Yeah, up here in the dataverse. That's what you get. There was a very nice piece in the Atlantic Daily last Wednesday by Kate Lindsay called all alone. Yeah, it's. How social media at first you could say it wasn't so bad it was for family and friends to to connect, but now it's for strangers. That's where it went. Tech talk for example, and. Yeah, it's a pretty decent piece. And who's the latest from the Girl Scouts? This is pretty unhealthy even and healthier than their have had cookies. You can get a badge, a uniform patch. If you push the winners of 5G telephone technology. Yeah, you want to promote that. That's wonderful that's so healthy. Yeah, we know how. Cell phones. To one's mental health. Especially among kids, you know that's well known it's. That’s going to be a parody, except it isn't a parody. I've seen this source several places. Let's see the piece in the Sunday New York Times called what Twitter does to our sense of time by Jenny Odell. How colonized by speed up time? Yeah, that's exactly right. We go at the speed of technology which is ever accelerating. There's no sense of what to do about it, but it's a pretty good descriptive voice. And and I wanted to mention just a little shout out to myself. Quando ziano umani Or when we are human is that in a very nice addition in Italy from Ornica press? And they want to do. The against Civilization Anthology next very handsome Italian edition. OK, one last thing. And this was reported this happened Sunday night. The 11th in San Francisco, there was a comedy performance, Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle. A couple of well known comics and they Dave Chappelle invited Elon Musk, who was present. He lives in San Francisco up to the stage. He was loudly booed off the stage. Very heavy heavy booing for many minutes. Yeah, that's the kind of maybe people don't just worship these. These characters are bringing the plague to everybody and. On every level. Yeah he, I think he was surprised. It was invisibly surprised. Well, back here. Currently I'll be here on the 20th. As we edge closer to the happy, happy, happy holidays. Going to have some new stuff. Sorry that Catherine was prevented from coming, but. We'll do that. We'll do the performance second week of November 2nd Tuesday. Thanks very much for listening. Be well out there.

12-06-2022

[audio] Tales of deepening isolation. Worsening contamination, extinction, and other die-offs. "All There Is," a CNN special on grief. "Waiting for the End of the World: Should We Be Rooting for the Apocalypse?"(!) Anti-Technology Is Not Dead, new zine. Resistance briefs. Giant EU roll-out party for the metaverse is giant dud: 6 show up. EV boom vs. environment. "How To Replace the Sky" comic by Matt Huynkh. Tesla follies. Fern Sunday night at Sam Bond's.

11-29-2022

[audio] No Thanks No Giving. World Cup background. Mass shootings at even higher levels. Older people live alone increasingly. "Journey to Doomsday" re: Florida-size Antarctica glacier. Amazon forest beginning to collapse. 90% of U.S. counties have had disaster designations. Downfall of civ is ever more clear. Tuvalu turns to metaverse as rising seas threaten its existence. Resistance news, upcoming anarchist events. "The World Can't Recycle its Way Out of Plastics Crisis."

11-15-2022

[audio] Deana Dartt Sunday. Record emissions for 2022 despite phoney COP27 climate summit.We're now at 8 billion. Shootings news. COVID and depression. QAnon drops ignored. Action reports. Backwoods#3. From "Lying Flat" to "Let It Rot!" "The Age of Social Media Is Ending" by Ian Bogast. AI 'art.' FTX crypto collapse. Big tech's big problems.

11-08-2022

[audio] Kathan co-hosts, Jolly Heretic misfire: my confession. Global climate summit nonsense.2022 already termed hottest. Mississippi River drying up, California woes. "We're All Losing Ground, not Just Students." Record election spending, shootings, pediatric care crisis. The Axle Grinder of Revolution: death to commuters - a new ITS or satire? Generation Isolation"as kids retreat from the social to online. Action briefs. New Fifth Estate. One call.

11-01-2022

[audio] 45 days in, "Women, Life, Freedom!" in Iran. David Brooks on "The Rising Tide of Global Sadness." Excellent "Six Notes" poem by David Baker. Very weak major "Envisioning Life after Climate Change" by David Wallace-Wells (10-30 NYTM). Environmental ruin, mass deaths in mass society. Conversation with It's Going Down folks. Metaverse - looking like a big flop. Our dependency on an increasingly vulnerable techno-world grows.What can't those on the Left see?

10-25-2022

[audio] UK news: "The Teenage Mental Health Crisis Is Now a Societal Disaster.""Obvious cause...is the internet." In New York a teen Luddite Club abandones smartphones. Scary rise in respiratory illness among kids. Fires in Midwest as drought spreads from West Coast. Election blather. "Undercurrent of rebellion among youth in China. Action news. Gamers more apt to be racist, sexist. Heavy tweeters declining in number. Tech fails, Metaverse in doubt. The plastics menace and false solutions. One call.

10-18-2022

[audio] "How Can We Revive Generations of Lost Knowledge?" by John Schandlenmeier. U of O's Designing for the Flourishing of All Species (?) Two Wyoming colleges are phone-free with very curative results. 5.3 billion phones will be discarded in 2022. Metaverse's woes. ACT test scores lowest in 30 years.Mercury Pictures Presents by Anthony Marras. Resistance news. The Knowing. One call.

10-11-2022

[audio] Kathan is co-host. How bad does it have to get? Uprising in Iran a month in, 80 cities, all 31 provinces. World heat waves as climate crisis "spirals out of control." Darcia Nardaez' important book; Humanimal Project podcast: "It's TIme to Rewild!" The Cult of Civ by Tom Murphy from Resilience. Fall Camp news, action briefs, one call.

10-04-2022

[audio] Ian: hurricane of the future. Rocket fails. Fear of leaving civ. Heat officials huddle as Arctic, awash in plastics pollution, acidifies. 300 killed or injured indonesian soccer stampede. Mass shootings now daily. Online vs. learning. Foraging, a Palestinian film. Stephen King's new horror novel, Mr. Harrigan's Phone. Carbon capture nonsense. Digital Lethargy: Dispatches from an Age of Disconnection. Action briefs, one call.

09-27-2022

[audio] Tech problems at KWVA recently, especially last week (see below). Hurricanes worsening. Iran, Russia in crisis. Mass shooting in w. Siberia. More blackouts ahead for California. Noise pollution out of control. Oak editor Steve Kirk is call-in guest: Where are we at?. UN: 'world in peril, and paralyzed.' Cascade of new ways tech cuts us off from reality, from direct experience itself. Cybersickness foils VR. How To Blow Up Pipeline film. Resistance news.

09-20-2022

[audio] This the link to the most recently recorded show. Because of a technical problem in the studio the 09-20-2022 Anarchy Radio show was not broadcast, streamed, or recorded. Here is a summary of program content: The Myth of Normality by Gabor and Daniel Matte. All-time most expensive residence as inequity reaches new heights. Adults need Anxiety Screening; mental health in tatters.Pig atrocities, new dis-eases. Coyote comeback in So. California. Noise levels ever greater. How To Blow Up a Pipeline film: property damage absolutely required. Action briefs. Tesla storage facility burns. Cybersickness means no VR. Lithium means destruction. Who needs human touch?

09-13-2022

[audio] This the link to the most recently recorded show. Because of a technical problem in the studio the 09-13-2022 Anarchy Radio broadcast/stream was not recorded. Here is a summary of program content: Death of a parasite. Eco tipping points vs. 'Resilience and Adaptation.' Insomnia for all. Violence is rife. Lynda Barry on crippling effects of being online. The Chaos Machine by Max Fisher, Digital Madness by Nicholas Kardaras. Chatbots hated. The rich try to escape the collapse of civilization. "Eco-conscious" Chromebook (!) New anarchist voices, No Path, Breaking the Alphabet, action news. Vice deal with Saudi Arabia. Long-termism, one call.

09-06-2022

[audio] "Doomsday" Glacier in Antarctica threatens several-feet oceans rise. Even more extreme weather fluctuations. Mass killing in Canada. Evictions.Plummeting health for youth; declining longevity.Neurodiversity.Three calls: Fairy Creek struggle in B.C.; community television status; high-tech"Fawn" project.

08-30-2022

[audio] Pakistan underwater, big "heat dome" heads for California. Great Resignation persists. An "uncontacted" Amazonian people goes extinct. Mass shootings weekend. Artemis on horrors of tech context of teaching. Doubts about VR, AI, Metaverse. What We Owe the Future: dud of a new book.Anarchist autumn? Sam Bond's Book Club to be on CTV. Resistance briefs. Pamyua indigenous music. Anti-cyberspace documentary coming from UK. Two calls.

08-23-2022

[audio] Upcoming anti-civ talks. Cooking reduces energy expenditure of chewing; major evolutionary impact. Author-activist-anarchist Allantliff is call-in guest (postmodernism, Camas Books, Victorianarchist Book Fair).Anarchist actions, book fairs. Smartphones as deadly distraction. U. S. life expectancy declining. "Love" in the Metaverse. Is radical energy returning after 20-something years in U. S.? One call.

08-16-2022

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Catastrophic climate stuff. Citizen M Hotel: High-tech horror. More intense surveillance, worker monitoring. Tech fails, recalls. Ezra Klein: "This anything but an argument against technology, were such a thing even coherent," (NYT 8/14). Victoria trip; Camas Books collective thriving. Fairy Creek uprising. Earth First! Journal responds to K. Tucker's challenge re: decolonization. Action reports, two calls.

08-02-2022

[audio] No show August 9 (JZ in Victoria BC). The now-usual extreme heat, fires, flooding. Pelican extinction. A crime to be poor e.g. LA's war on the homeless. W hat's new at Meta, in the cloud, apps, algorithms. Dangerous if ubiquitous robots. Amazon and solar big enviro problems. Anarchist events, disconnect attitudes, post-civ vs. anti-civ, action briefs, 4 calls.

07-26-2022

[audio] Californiablaze. Monkeypox is latest pandemic. Solar power weakens with extreme heat.Alpine glaciers melting at record pace. Coeur d'Alene Lake debacle. Conversation with Artxmis,anarchist writer and Uncivilized podcaster. Technology de-skills us. Walk the Distance, augmented reality hike app (!) New novels paint bleak picture. Breaking the Cycle film for renewal of life. Action briefs, two calls.

07-19-2022

[audio] World is burning, civilization dying. Bizarre disease eruptions.988 suicide line - texting as himan life-line?? New anarchist books, music, actions.Conversation with James Van Lanen on CHAGS,food autonomy in Italy.(two calls)

07-12-2022

[audio] Rampant Covid. Mind of mass shooters. "The New Slovenliness." Phone SNAFU:no Artxmis Graham Thoreau conversation. Drought & fire. Declining mental health. 200,000 year old mattresses. Recalls. Rewilding reports e.g. The wilderness Cure by Mo Wilde, action briefs. Lithium rush aka green extractivism. Condition of art: "Welcome to the desert of the virtual." Analog vs. digital. Canadian telecom failure, other tech hazards.

07-05-2022

[audio]Mass shootings, of course. Independence Day or "Hostage Nation"? Unarmed Wayland Parker shot 60+ times in Akron. Some shoot back. iPhone is 15 years old: "almost impossible to conceive what a world without smartphones would look like." More extreme, erratic weather. "Not post traumatic stress disorder.It's ongoing stress disorder." As society can no longer hide its ugly, empty, oppressive features as anarchist energy seems to be emerging. CHAGS preview.

06-28-2022

[audio]Monkey pox. global food crisis. Roe v. Wade and The Myth of Human Rights by Bob Black. Global heat waves. Workplace stress. Earliest humans 1 million years older than thought. JZ columns for Eugene Weekly. Barry Lopez empty suit. Project Unabomb podcast series. Action reports. Metaverse news, other tech projections. One call.

Transcript

Speaker 1: Check this out. This MC ice tea. You know I'm saying I'm cold lounging on KWV, a campus radio 88.1 FM man here, Boy.

Speaker 2: The views expressed in this program are not necessarily the views of KWV radio or the associated students of the University of Energy. Radio is an editorial collage providing analysis and opinions of John Zerzand the community at large.

Speaker 3: That's right, you're listening to KKWVA Eugene here with John in the studio. Live 5413460645. Looks like we have somebody who's like trying to ring us already. We haven't even really started the show yet, but we'll get there. We'll get to you in just a moment, but we need to settle down and get ready. Answer this phone call so we're going to listen to a little test their logic.

Speaker 4: Chester logir Follow, follow, follow, follow. Thing for your thing, for your thing for yourself, follow, follow, follow anybody else thing for your thing for your thing follow anybody else thing for your thing for your thing. For yourself, follow, follow, follow. Teams for your teams, for your teams, for yourself, your own place, your own trail. Go get your goals whether succeed or fail. And if you fall down, you gotta get back up again. Any leaders, any styles, any trans gotta support each other, family or friends? Each one teach one of me center and talk. And listen to the propaganda that they try to. Send through the airwaves. Your brain waves, you gotta defend thelping hand. Every single one of us can land to each other. We're all sisters, brothers. Father, his mother's love for us. My life on. This planet wouldn't choose. Any other time to be alive? It's a blessing. It's mine. I'll follow the crowd. I won't see in alive happiness or the fire. But don't listen to me. Listen and see. Follow, follow, follow anybody else. Thing for your thing for your. Thing for yourself follow follow. Follow anybody else thing for your.

Speaker 5: Video for June 28th. And without an engineer for next week. But I think that will be remedied. Carl wants to be elsewhere, but maybe Jimmy or Elijah. Not sweating it. I'm not cancelling out because I think that can be fixed. But otherwise no engineer, no broadcast. Monkeypox global hunger crisis are on the threshold of. The usual dire challenges. Well, I think there is somebody calling. That starts us. Off right away with a comment I think. Get to a few things. Get some interesting news and announcements and. Happening to get to later on.

Speaker 3: So we have koyan on the phone.

Speaker 5: Thank you Toya.

Speaker 6: Coyan KOYN

Speaker 5: Oh, right, right how you doing. What's happening?

Speaker 6: So hey, so just wanted to longtime listener sometimes supporter of the show. Did some info shop stuff in Denver a while ago. And here in the northwest, checking you guys out. So I'm so I just wanted to bring up a book that I found. I don't know if you've. Mentioned it before in. Your show indigenous Paleolithic of the Western Hemisphere.

Speaker 5: Oh, I was going to shut that out tonight.

Speaker 3: What's your take?

Speaker 6: So I was just made aware of it. I don't know if you've brought it up in the last year or so I was wondering.

Speaker 5: No, no, it's not me.

Speaker 6: OK, yeah so.

Speaker 5: Well, that's Stevens or Paulette Steves.

Speaker 6: Yeah, and she.

Speaker 5: Right?

Speaker 6: She's in Canada. Like in just in the middle of nowhere there so.

Speaker 5: Sounds good, the announcement the promo for the thing sounds really good.

Speaker 6: Yeah cool yeah, I just wanted to see if you caught that obviously and I'm thinking about maybe calling the show and probably giving some better news of what's going on.

Speaker 1: There you go.

Speaker 6: I wasn't I wasn't able to really find much today. You know? The only thing I was just randomly thinking about was that. This COVID thing. Just I think we're really. Still dealing with the after effects of it and. Just the importance of face to face communication with people and how important that is and being around people is very important because these I talked to so many friends and people I know that are just breaking down.

UNKNOWN: You know and.

Speaker 6: Therapists are booked up. I mean you can't see anyone from. You know, for months and. You know, it's sad, but at the same time. You know, maybe it's a way to people, just. Wake up to really. Get off of these computers to. Really be more face to face.

Speaker 5: Oh yeah. I like that.

Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5: There we go.

Speaker 6: Yeah, so OK yeah so just wanted to just mention that book and try to call in and try to bring some more cheery stuff.

Speaker 5: Oh good for you. Thank you, Karen.

Speaker 6: Yeah, all right. Thank you.

Speaker 5: Be well. Well, the Roe versus Wade reversal. Certainly important and. Strangely enough, we're not so strangely what one thing that's neglected and I haven't. Covered the media on this nonstop, but. There's a simple thing that I haven't heard referred to yet. This guarantee Roe was enacted in 1973 due to the presence in the early 70s of a very militant women's movement. Now there isn't one, and now there's no Roe protection. You know there's just this obsession with voting. This was 73. The N72 is the biggest landslide. In electoral history, when Nixon just swept every state but one, I think it was. And then Roe was just a few months later, so there's no connection necessarily at all. And there's no social movements. You get what you get. And by the way, Speaking of books. There is a new one out. This from 9 branded 9 banded books. Picked up by Amazon Amazon. Gave a shout out just to two or three days ago or so. It's called the myth of human rights by Bob Black. Speaking of guaranteed rights, and I'm not going to go into this much here, but. Because I do. Hope to get Bob to be a call in guest. One of these days trying to work that out, maybe it might have to be pre recorded. I don't know if it'll. Even happen at. All but anyway, he's arguing that this whole thing is a chimera. It's it hasn't. It hasn't made people freer or. Flourishing more. He calls it a myth and. He claims he argues that it's the ultimate cover for a boundless array of coercive agendas. In short, that every claim of right is a veiled threat of violence. And I'm looking forward to getting into that, but. After all, anarchy orientation is not a rights based. Set up or projection. Because, as I'm sure Bob is pointing out here, you need the state to guarantee those rights. They don't exist without that, anyway there's. There’s a lot to it and I. And I'm hearing that it's very, very typically. Sharp witted and. And well done so. Get into that. In future, ideally with Bob himself. I mean that I. Know that's a whole big topic and deserves some. Some thinking about it. Well, the global heat waves are just gigantic and this only what we're one week into into the summer. We got a lot of homeless deaths already due to the very high temperatures. And it's really something. And here. Here's a report from Alaska this month. Record number of acres burned in Alaska. Hitting indigenous folks up there. More than others and more than 1,000,000 acres. Gone up in flames already. More than 300 wildfires. In recent weeks this. And this about 3 days old or so. This story, so it's not any better I'm sure. Meanwhile, the Giant reservoir, Lake Mead. Which stops up the Colorado. We're getting closer to the point where that largest reservoir. Is less than 150 feet away from deadpools status. When the water is so low it can't, it will not flow. Downstream from the dam. How many millions rely on that across Arizona, California, Nevadand parts of Mexico? That's just a good measurement. And It’s dropping by hundreds of feet steadily. We're not there yet, but. This the. The looming mega crisis. Oh man. Let's see, this from the New York Times last Friday. From Janine Interlandi and Kahulugan aid. Twelve Americans die of an overdose every hour. 12 per hour in this country. And the rest of the title. Is this op-ed piece? We have the knowledge to prevent that. Why haven't we solved the addiction crisis? We have the knowledge to prevent that. I wonder what knowledge that would be. I have a feeling it's a very narrow. Idea of. Knowledge what about the knowledge? Of a crumbling, decaying society that causes people to be so desperate that they. They die in giant numbers. 12 per hour. This doesn't get to that knowledge. Yeah, part of that desperation. This from last Thursday. A Gallup study. State of the Global Workplace 2022. Workers surveyed 60% report feeling emotionally detached. 19 consistently feel miserable. And that estrangement higher than. The numbers from 2020. Which themselves set a new record for the proportion of. Workers who said they were stressed out on a daily basis. To no one's surprise, and the backdrop is the great resignation. And all of that. Well this not. This not your bleak news here. I don't know how this got. In here. Now this from the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Two days ago, one day ago. And they found. Sitting the signatures of particles from outer space. This the context. Of fossilized bones of the earliest humans. In South Africa they can. They can short the age. And this has to do with Australopithecus. Which is right at the and this this tricky stuff. I mean this all. A little bit up in the air this whole setup. When are human species? Appearing, how does that? How is that defined? Anyway, the story the bottom line is they are 1,000,000 years older than previously assumed. The bones of the very very early humancestors found in South Africa. It was thought that that stage these would be a. Afarensis, which are definitely not human species or pretty definitely not. You might remember the famous Lucy. Her bones date from 3.2 million years ago, so we're back in that period. Humans lived between 3.4 to 3.6 million years ago. Or the progenitors to humans? This a little. Cloudy . But I've, as I've said before, every finding pushes the pushes the dates back. Earlier humans and earlier capacities. And it to me, it just really unsettles all of these notions that. People human. Beings of 1 species or another at least back to Homewreck tus. And probably before that even. They didn't know how to do anything, actually, until Homeo sapiens, which is completely stupid. That's that's so wrong, it's. But it's still out there. It still lets the. Gold standard if you will, to use an ugly expression. Of what is human? And it's just a way off, and this the thing that. Really undermines that all the more. Already well. There's another thing that goes back a ways. And is not. Any pleasant news. This from the LA Times. Has to do with bark beetles. And the bristlecone pine forests in the in the White Mountains. Of California His storm battered White Mountains where? The bristlecone Pines. We're doing just fine. Thank you for thousands of years. Bark beetles. Either didn't exist there or they were held in check by the harsh conditions. These Pines in the White Mountains anyway. That's no longer the case. Hotter droughts and. More bark beetles are for the first time in recorded history, killing Bristlecones. These trees are just living symbols of longevity, strength and perseverance. Over thousands of years. Oh boy. And I hate to dip into this the. Vein of mystery illnesses severe. Conditions like thepatitis severe hepatitis among very young kids. Which ain't supposed to happen. Now there is a. There's another scared drug resistant gonorrhea. The strain of super gonorrhea resistant to antibiotics. This from the peer reviewed medical journal Euro surveillance last week, this. This European Journal. Pretty scary. And it's showing up in. While it showed up in Austria, a man in his 50s. And now it seems to be something that isn't. Likely to be checked. OK. Yeah, I just want to mention. How glad I am to be pretty much a regular columnist for the Eugene Weekly. Column is called from A-Z. And I've got one in. This week's issue. The current issue. I've been having one about once a month. Every four or five weeks anyway. Yeah, very nice and is even is it even a mention? On the top of the front page called Domestication page 4. So I'm very happy to be. Working with them over at the weekly. Yeah, this the one this week. If you haven't seen it, it's called civilized, all too civilized. A local anarchist calls for a return to primitive living to avoid catastrophe. We've got extra time. I might even read it, but there it is in the weekly. And this the one I'm I've sent them. As the next offering. And I will read it. It's not very long. It might come out next month. Any social media? It's called. It is a madly accelerating techno world. One of endless interruption. So-called social media. Have clearly made social existence worse. Popular books and articles treat online immersion as a threat or an affliction. Outsmart your smartphone by Chiky Davis, 2018. Overcoming Internet addiction for dummies. By David Greenfield, 2020. And an article I gave up my phone for 30 days to tackle my screen addiction and it changed my life by Anonymous 2012. Maybe that's 2022. Anyway, it's instructive that the designers and purveyors of social mediare very likely to keep their own kids away from it. App to send them to Waldorf schools where electronics are banned. Detox programs and camps proliferate, especially in summer. The negative and addictive effects of social media can hardly be more widely known. As per countless studies and reports. In the Rush Technosphere do folks Daydream anymore? Who writes letters? They've been pretty much replaced by tweets, likes, and the rest of fast food type quote communication. Even though that we know, even though we know that outside social media people have more time and enjoy better mental slash emotional health. And a further regressive move his texting had turned against the human voice voice messaging. Unadorned representation and nothing else. Another step toward the uninvolved and impersonal. I don't do social mediand I do not text. The machine stops is an EM Forster story written in 19. Nine Forster envisioned people averse to human interaction and living in separate underground pods. They communicate electronically. Via network called the Machine until it begins to fall apart. Jason Lanier, who, ironically brought US virtual reality. Finds hope in the storied collapse of the machine. As he tries to imagine a reformed model for social media. This could somehow be realized by a big changeover called for in his 2018 book. 10 arguments for deleting your social mediaccounts right now. And that's the steel he admits from the four arguments for the elimination of. Television back in the late 70s. By Jerry Mander. Yeah, 10 arguments. For dropping your social medias right now, social media needs a makeover because after all we can't afford to ditch it. He asserts we can't afford not to try to fix it. Quote, because otherwise we'll eventually have to gut a whole universe of digital technology. Can't even. A whole universe that is carrying us further and further into the isolated, unhealthy, deskilled surveilled alienated dimension of technology. Lanier is desperate to salvage this universe. But my hope is that it will collapse like the machine in Forster's story. It really is up to us to decide what needs to go. Always wired ever more so or. We're not, let's see. Oh got some interesting stuff in the. Or political department. And enjoyed it back and forth from a. Quote long time anarchy radio listener from Holland. Anyway, we're talking about the COVID nothing. It's nice to know that. That he listens and. Take the time to send a message. By the way, this a little bit. Down the trail. But just if you want to put it on your calendar already. On the last day of July, July 31st. At Sam, but this Sunday. Mark Seeley. Anarchist writer from. So-called Washington State will be down to present his book old dog. If you've heard anarchy radio lately, you've heard me rave. About old dog. And I'm more of an old dog basically and. And more of that. More along those lines. A wonderful book. Yeah, he'll be on deck at bonds. On the 31st. Yeah, well to go from the wonderful the supplier to less so. This in the New York Times Book Review, and I think elsewhere. Embrace fearlessly the burning world. Posthumous essays from Barry Lopez. And as the reviewer points out, and it's, I'm sure that's accurate. I haven't seen it yet, but. He says there's zero details or specifics. So you got this wide-ranging or vague. We got to change everything and know. Not even a hint of step one or what would be the targets. To save everything or nothing. And I have to say it, just as in life he steadfastly avoided taking sides or. You know, getting down to brass tacks in any way. Yeah, I remember some years ago there were. Some indigenous people in Canada who were mounting a save the world save the wolves type project and they contacted. Barry Lopez Seeking his endorsement. And he got furious. How dare you compromise my? Integrity as a writer. By asking me to do such a thing. You know that is just straight up white settler, privileged talking. That is so bogus and here he was the darling of. The environment that's just really. It's really a joke. He just really. Would never get down. He just never. So yeah, that's my reaction to that book. And the aforementioned the indigenous Paleolithic of the Western Hemisphere by Paulette FC Steves. Sounds like a heck of a good read. She's she in her intro. Where it says. As indigenous, she says, I walked paths of immense loss, justified through archaeological discussions, denying the civility, intellect, humanity and heartbeat of indigenous nations. As a member of a colonized indigenous population, I have a very personal and intimate understanding. Of this history. And this goes back in her book, over 130,000 years of history and includes the colonial history of racism. Which often ignored. It sounds like they're really. Worthwhile serious book. I'm glad to see this that this has appeared. And I just want to mention, once again. Alex Dunlap. And his essay. About decolonization and the anarchist critique of civilization. By the way, on June 17th he organized this webinar on Green extractivism and violent conflict. At the University of Helsinki. And he once lived in Oregon, by the way, as I probably mentioned. He's going down that path and It’s wonderful, I think. I'm going to be in Vic. BC This a ways off this. Late August is it? And I want to. Think I'll be giving a talk at the campus bookstore there. Great bookstore. Anarchist collective bookstore In Victoriand. I want to bring up the Dunlap piece there. It’s so well. Phrased is so well. Oh boy, going up and down here with the good and the bad. Something came out yesterday, rather the first three episodes of something called. Project Unabom which is a Unabomber podcast. By Eric Benson and others. And I listened to the first three. Boy, they're always digging up something about the Unabomber case, almost never getting to the meaning of it, the validity of it 25 years later. Well, did it make sense, is it? Is it panning out? Does it look like what he is? Predicting and describing. The answer of course is yes, but anyway. This being released by Apple TV Plus. Like I said, I. Curious stuff man. I listened to the first three episodes with the 1st 2. And it was all about it was. A lot of stuff, a lot of inside details about why. In the fall of 95. Did the Washington Post decide to? Upon the Unabomber's demand to publish the entirety of industrial society and its future, and talk about these industrial or these editorial discussions and the FBI weighing in and blah blah fairly well known story. And it's a. I don't know just to a nuts and bolts narrative of different parts of the. Story of the so-called Unabomber. It’s nothing. It's nothing offensive, it's some of. It's just trivially, trivially. And in the third episode, I didn't. I didn't listen to the whole thing because it was just, I thought, zany. Here's angle that nobody picked up on, and It’s interesting in its own way. It's called episode 3 is called Roll of the DICE. And it has a lot of inside stuff about people that the FBI was grabbing up. In that long period when they had no clue and were squeezing various people and how apparently it ruined some people's lives just really put theat on them. And these people were just guilty of nothing, just started out thinking it was a joke. And then they found out otherwise. And it starts out with. We go on and on, but there's a dungeons and Dragons club in Chicago that they that the FBI got a hold of. And there were one or two. Mildly coincidental things, but. These were these dungeon and Dragons nerds. They had. They wouldn't know how to make a bomb or have the slightest motivation to send bombs in the mail. It's just wacko. But it went on and on. Anyway, roll the dice. I didn't listen to the whole thing, but interesting. I'm going to be in episode 8 because I spoke with this guy. Episode 8 won't be out until August 1st. Which focuses it, says Eric says. Focuses on Ted's legal proceedings and his legacy. So OK, there may be something. In terms of the meaning of. Of what he wrote. Why he did what he did all? That stuff. Well, here's some cop stuff. And you probably. Got this if you. Check out the news this horrific story from Uvalde West, TX. Where this guy comes in with his AR15 and. Goes into a classroom and starts slaughtering children and two teachers. Well, first they said. The door is locked. They didn't have a key. They didn't know how to proceed, and actually they were cowering in the hallway and there's no video that shows them even trying the door. Amazing, that story gets more. It terrible every every time they talk about it. Meanwhile, he's in there gunning down these kids. This in the news. Last Thursday the 23rd. Federal judge sentenced a 25 year old man who threw Molotov cocktails at police in Portland. During mass protests against police brutality to 10 years in prison. Yeah, it's supposedly in September 2020 through Molotovs. That police broke windows. And the worst injury or damage? Well, there was no injury, but it is stated that one of the Molotov. You know they go off when they break. It created a fireball which set the pant leg of an officer on fire. It doesn't say that he was. Burned or anything but. That was the that was the size of it. Got 10 years and on the same day. A former Eugene department. Pig pleads guilty to sexual assault. Christopher Drum was an E PD officer for about three years. Found guilty of rape. He got maybe 30 days. It says. Sentenced to 30 days jail with alternatives as an option, this pig might not even serve one day. Meanwhile this. Person up in Portland got 10 years. This so disgusting. Pigs on parade. The injustice system. Well, the next day on the 24th, that was a Friday night last Friday night. We may be seeing the rebirth of black block. Anarchy we may be seeing the rebirth of that militant. Movement, that action. This had to do late Friday night to build as night of rage. A digital. Announcement advertising the protests instructed participants to block up meaning to wear black. Black block stuff to. Void being incriminated. And there was quite a set to. Many pigs and. They pigs fired. Pepperballs remember. Rubber bullets. Yeah, this quite a quite a deal. I've went on for quite some time, so maybe black block is back. I pray that it. Is and I pray that it's everywhere. OK, going back a little bit backwards there. June 17th in Philadelphia. We use paint and glass edge to mess with windows on luxury apartment construction at 48th and spruce. And Gentry construction at 51st and Baltimore. Smashed out the front doors and windows. We did this to fight gentrification and to contribute to the new wave of anarchist attack in the US. They're seeing something too. New wave of anarchist attack. We also did this. Have fun, happy pride. And let's see also, well, June 24th. Arson attack at a Eurobank ATM and Thessaloniki. Greece's second biggest city. 24th Anti Abortion Center in Glendale, CA. Which is NE Los Angeles? Covered in graffiti and the ever popular if abortion isn't safe, you won't be safe. And the crowd in Phoenix. This wasn't much reported by the Liberal press. Almost broke into the state capital. There was a real confrontation. Ended with the volunteer gas. There was a lot of pigs. Inside trying to hold the line. It was this AP story variously described Saturday. Or late Friday night. As either peaceful or driven by anarchists intent on destruction. Could be some of both. All right, in Vermont on the 25th, police at the Vermont. Vermont State house. In Montpelier, said the building was vandalized early Saturday when seven windows were broken. Messages painted outside the main door course reacting to the Supreme Court's over turning of Roe V Boyd. Vandalism took place around 2:00 AM Saturday. Once again, if abortions aren't safe, you're not either. Estimated damage. $25,000 plus. The fight goes on in Athens, in Exarchia Square. That lovely. Square next to the Polytechnic University. They're trying to put in a metro stop. They're trying to bust up that community space. And they've been fighting that in street feet hill. I was up there part of. Public talks nearby. Strefi hill. They want to. Develop that private interest moving into the park. There aren't many, many. Parks in Athens by the way. So they're fighting. Against gentrification, evictions, political denationalization, state repression. This from Athens Indian media. And in wahaca, the indigenous Minisat community of Fuente Madera. Are mobilizing once again defense of their common lands. Against the construction of Industrial Park. One of 10 industrial parks. Proposed as a corridor mega project. In Taiwan, tepec, the ismus of 21 tepec. This. A statement put out just yesterday. To the indigenous peoples, organizations and collectives of the Isthmus of Zantec, Oaxaca, Mexico. The fight goes on. Oh gosh, we're way past the music break. We can squeeze one inch and we.

Speaker 3: If you want to, yeah we can, it's ready.

Speaker 5: OK, great.

Speaker 7: No no.

Speaker 5: That was Alex hills. And yeah, interesting deal. abstract, pretty weird, but. Outside in, it's called. Something a little different. OK, let's get back to work. NASA is pausing their project psyche. That's the name of a metal rich asteroid. Also, the name of this space mission. Problem due to the spacecraft projects navigation software. Which means the mission may not reach the asteroid until 2029 or 2030 rather than 2026. Thank you, Adam Ken mining. Not be far behind a metal rich asteroid. You know, mining the ocean seabed. Yeah, was going to come next down the trail. Well, some interesting full page ads in the New York Times. Last week for meta. One, the first one was for. Virtual instruction for heart surgeons. Yeah, work on a virtual heart. And we'll be all ready to work on it real hard. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2: What's the difference?

Speaker 5: And then a day or two later, later in the week. Virtual instruction for jetliner mechanics. Let's just hop on a jetliner that's. That's been tooled and inspected and worked on. Yeah, what could go wrong with that? And that the Current TV ad, by the way, of TV commercial. The metaverse may be virtual, but the results are real. Just what we're afraid of. Well, Mark Zuckerberg, this last Wednesday. Rolling out meta pay, which is another name for Facebook pay. A wallet for the metaverse. It's just it's really the same. Thing before with the different branding different name. But how much more fun to? To do that stuff virtually. Through the digital world. No unpleasant human interaction, for example. It's going to be scoping out with a single wallet experience might look like. In terms of making payments and stuff like that. More on the miniverse. This a piece in last Thursday's New York Times the Avatars wear Pradand other fashion. Fashion line accessories and so forth. Manna opens a fashion store for its metaverse. Yeah, the fashion soon to be digital only. Well, of course it's the miniverse. If somebody at Intel. Another little bit of irony. A senior VP at Intel. OK, with the metaverse well it's going to take several orders of magnitude. More powerful computing capability to make it possible. Like Bitcoin mining, right gigantic energy drain? Stuff don't come free. And they have all these fantasies. But yeah, to make it real, Chris. Real isn't the word, of course, but. That's demand for computer computing power. They're scrambling. Can't realize that without the actual cost without the. What makes it happen? Well, here's switching gears again. There were couple of stories in The New Yorker magazine. First of all, there was a profile of Matthew Wong. Who committed suicide? He was an artist. Of the Internet, long developed his practice and his career largely through social media. UM? He bases on looking at an image on his phone. To move that somehow into art. And they ask. You know, in a obituary, how did this machine devour him? And there was there was. A pretty good letter, one letter. From Jonathan Almayer in Bronx, NY. Pointed out how bereft it is, how how. I mean, you can't say I don't think you can say that was the direct cause of his suicide, but. It was the bankrupt. Way of doing stuff if you ask me and it didn't sustain him. Anyway, without getting into the whole question of art. Such is what I raised in the case against art. This fellow Omar says. What about painting? It's that sort of online techno stuff is. Getting to be normal in the art world, but it does not have much. To do with. Painting images on screens are highly commodifiable and abstracted, but looking at a painting in person is a true and full experience. It requires the observer and the observed to share a space so that both were implicated. It is an encounter with another point of view. And its celebration. Not a denial of reality. In our age of unreality and alienation, we need paintings more than ever. But these same conditions make us less and less able to produce paintings worth spending time with. Matthew Wong tried to make real paintings in an unreal world. The crisis he faced is increasingly shared by all artists and non artists alike who value meaningful experiences. Well, that’s really. Speaks to something. Yeah, how? Impoverished that sort of thing is. And how it led to a tragic end. It was part of. Part of that trajectory. From the guardian. Thursday, June 23rd. Amazon plans to let people turn their dead loved ones voices into digital systems. With the company promising the ability to make the memories last. Yeah, they'll trick out the with the technology, Alexa. Can mimic the voice of anyone who hears from less than a minute and provided audio. You can hear the voice of. The deer departed. Wow, this just so nuts. Yeah, this not exactly arriving right now, but. The underlying technologies apparently have been around a while. Get this. From the piece the company gave a demonstration where the reanimated voice of an older woman was used to read her grandson a bedtime story. After he asked Alexa, can grandma finish reading me? The Wizard of Oz? Yeah, the machine can do everything. I think that's grotesque. Here's a piece from the Daily Mail end of May. About virtual children. The so-called Tamagotchi kids. Virtual children this the rise of same. But don't children to play with you cuddle you and even look like you will be commonplace in 50 years and could help combat overpopulation. AI expert predicts. More wonders.

UNKNOWN: I mean.

Speaker 5: Anything means actual children, I mean. Don't be stupid. Computer aided computer generated offspring. Will exist in the immersive digital world known as. You got it. The metaverse. All right, this from Business Insider. Also late May. And it didn't provide much details, but thank you Jim for this story. A-Team of neuroscientists was really surprised in quotes by the results of a gene editing experiment on hamsters. This CRISPR type stuff, right? The tenants expected that the elimination of vasopressin activity would make the hamsters behave more peacefully. Instead, the gene edited hamsters displayed displayed high levels of aggression. Yeah, it couldn't go wrong. And I'm not going to get into the welter of tech fails and recalls, but this. This 1 Toyota issued a global recall. Of its electric crossover SUV. Less than two months after the vehicle was released. Automakers said the humboldts on the wheel can be homeless and their tires flow off the vehicle. Naturally, Toyota is warning owners not to drive their vehicles until the problems are fixed. The recall represents a set back for the world's largest automaker. Which has pledged to spend $17.6 billion. To roll out 30 battery electric models by 2030. Yeah, that's going to go so well. Well, pretty darn sure. There will be. Anikey radio next Tuesday. We got a lot of tips. Carl, just give me a lot. Of tips On how to find said engineer. And so it might be a nice reunion with somebody I haven't seen in a while or somebody else. So anyway, we'll go out with some. John Coltrane, yeah. I'll hang in there.

Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.

06-21-2022

[audio]Jan. 6 Committee side-show. How now, anti-vaxxers? World droughts, dead penguins. Congo rainforest ravaged; recalls. Australian activism. Fifth Estate locked into "radical solidarity" (the Left as albatross, fail). Ecology Contested: primitivists are eco-fascists:more leftist garbage, Full-page NYT ad: "Meta - Virtual Hearts Will Help Real Doctors Save Lives." Action news, more tech fails, falsity, lies. "Everything is crashing."

06-14-2022

[audio]Kathan co-hosts. Who can gun laws locate, shooter-wise? Weather getting increasingly extreme. Varieties of denial and lies to cloak systemic ruin. Lithium mining = "irreversible air and soil contamination"; "green sacrifice zones." Highlights of Oak#4. Language chat-bot (LaMDA) is sentient, has consciousness of a 7-8 year-old, says Google engineer. Anti-abortion offices attacked, anti-militarism, ant-tech action in Sardinia.

06-07-2022

[audio](NOT Ohio State football game) Even more mass shootings. Congressional hearings on Jan. 6 attack. Enviro catastrophe news. Diseases rising, work culture questioned.Techno fakery, U of O study on smartphone effects - conducted via smartphone. World "rapidly becoming one giant farm." Internet hall of mirrors: where is meaning/truth? Walmart bans cocoanut milk made with forced monkey labor. "I Don't Want Your Progress!" essay.

05-31-2022

[audio] Uvalde, endless mass shootings. Pig culture. Two recent anarchist events in Eugene. Disease/ health hazards news. Extreme weather, herbalist aspects. Can plastics be recycled? Critique of Bored Reason, by Dimitri Nikulin. Virtual Abba, AI for your poop. Anti-civ and de- colonization. Anti-military resistance in Russia, local rioting, action briefs. One call.

05-24-2022

[audio] Hakim Bey (1945-2022). Interview with Steve Kirk, Oak editor. Event at Sam Bonds tomorrow. Erratic, extreme weather; droughts, fires, scary hurricane season ahead. Poverty, isolation. pollution news. Rotn call. "Autonomous sensory meridian response" in museums re: "our increasingly isolating digital age." OnlyFans is an employment agency app: "how easy it is to simulate online intimacy"(!) Resistance briefs.

05-17-2022

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Mass shootings, racism on the rise. Cryptocurrency collapsing. What canarchy contribute? (Eugene discussion event 5/25) Space polluted by rocket launches, satellites. Wildfire season already underway. Cliodynamics journal trashes Dawn of Everything. Happy for You by Claire Stanford: an app/algorithm to tell how happy one is. Civ crumbling on all fronts..

05-10-2022

[audio] New anti-tech CD from Arcade Fire. "In Grief Is How We Live Now" (NYT 5/8). A shredded social, personal fabric in late civ. Over a million in U.S. have suffered and died. Raging fires in American SW. "Metaverse, Number, Philosophy" by JZ. Actual cost of electric vehicles, deep sea mining: ruin has no limit. Birds die of heatstroke as India sizzles. Another new low for anarchistnews. Action news.

04-19-2022

[audio] Tech failure: the broadcast was fine, but it didn't get recorded.

04-12-2022

[audio] Mass shooting of the week. Hundreds more US billionaires, many thousands more homeless. "All the Lonely People," by JZ. Kathan reports: Birds' self-liberation and more. Baseball, Florida's manatees face extinction. MatureDose is a U of O app that measures one's time in nature(?) Four Eugene high-school suicides in 12 weeks. Metaverse, cryptocurrency problems. Endless navel-gazing at anarchistnews.org. Resistance news.

04-05-2022

[audio] Two excellent quotes about civilization. Just today's news alone reflects environmental catastrophe. Conversation with Jamie re: his upcoming Anarchy After Graeber, and more; much needed! Kids as young as 5 on social media. Drought, valley fever in California. Mass shootings, selected recalls. Alcohol-related deaths among women up 85% since 1999 (pre-pandemic). "Why Are People Acting So Weird?" Resistance briefs.

03-29-2022

[audio] Giant ice shelf collapse in E. Antarctica. Microplastics now in our bloodstreams. Call-in with Jason Rodgers, author of Invisible Generation collection, on anti-internet DIY culture. "How Did This Many Deaths Become Normal?" (The Atlantic, 3-8). Prevagen, NeuroQ, etc. Is cognition going downhill like everything else? Severe bleaching event hits Great Barrier Reef. The Boundaries of Human Nature by Matthew Calarco: strongly anti-domestication re: Donna Haraway. Dematerializing human existence: the Metaverse.

03-22-2022

[audio] "Sweet Jane." Sad, shredded social landscape. Conversation with Mark Seely; his new book is Old Dog. New psychiatric illness: "prolonged grief disorder"(?) New Houllebecq novel, Annihilate. Literacy crisis; kids' reading levels falling. Tech show a big fail at SXSW. Digital detox in Japan, dumbphones on the rise. Extreme weather, action news.

03-15-2022

[audio] "Best Hope for Ukraine Lies with its Cities" (Bloomberg 3/14) (!) Remember Makhno. Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists: "Global Collapse is in View." Discussion with rotn re: Black Blossoms at the End of the World (new book). Carbon capture, energy independence - ways to guarantee further productionist ruin. Next Nature is planning a holiday in space, "How Do You Date without a Dating App?" More pre-metaverse tech horrors. New Path, a new anti-civ zine. Action briefs.

03-08-2022

[audio] First 20 minutes was of last week's episode due to tech changes at KWVA.Kathan co-hosts. Death of a granddaughter. War on Ukraine "first social media war." Covid toll nears 6 million globally. Amazon rainforest to turn into grassland. Space junk slams into moon. Tik Tok faces suits: its negative effects on youth. Teledoc offers "telehealth." Internet soon to be fully AI generated: bots not humans at thelm. Buy a car, a house from one's sofa. Drought deepens for California. Climate scientists may go on strike because no-one is listening. Acts of resistance.

03-01-2022

[audio] War on Ukraine, grass-roots resistance. Pentagon: "Nintendo Generation" new recruits weak and fragile. Global water cycle, wildfires crises. Musk's Neuralink human-computer bond development based on animal torture. Moxie robot for kids "to build social-emotional skills"(!) Replika, #1 chatbox companion." JZ at The Computer Room with Katya, a fine conversation. Galactic Starcruiser tech fantasy hotel. The myth of sustainable fashion, rise of plasticulture. Black Blossoms at the End of the World book. Next week: after two, years, back live in the studio, with Kathan.

02-22-2022

[audio] School shootings and other violence reach new levels, youth mental health in tatters."The Meta...What?" by JZ. Are we edging toward it? Ethanol dirtier than gasoline, solar inadequate power source for EV charging stations. More lithium-ion battery fires. More tech fails, anti-work zeitgeist. Encouraging new interest in primitivo. Mega-drought in U.S. West - worst in 1,200 years, as seas rise. Resistance victories in Canada re: pipelines, and other action news.

02-15-2022

[audio] Even Elon Musk sees civilization crisis, as he talks Mars getaway. New Book Network interview Feb. 17, The Second Sleep, post-collapse novel by Robert Harris. Anti-vaxx truckersjoin hands with neo-fascists.Koalas face extinction, % of kids who read for pleasure at lowest point ever. Open season cops, year-round fire season So. California. Resistance news.

02-08-2022

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Some positive news e.g. simple stoves for the unhoused, the good energy of Bound Together Books in SF. Murder of Amir Locke, a pig video presentation. "Apocalypse Whatever" (02-06 NYT);current failure of Metaverse roll-out. Discussion of what's at stake: namely, everything. Tech imperialism aims at dominating every sphere of life. Resistance briefs.

02-01-2022

[audio] More species face extinction; 123 degrees in western Australia, all-time record for southern hemisphere. "Mining" by JZ. Fire at Big Sur: year-round fire season in California. Antarctic iceberg A68a, world's biggest, moved north and melted, releasing 152 billion tons of water. Senegal beaches awash in plastics, 9,000 barrel oil spill off coast of Peru. Reality+ by David Chalmers: hooray for virtual future. iPhones, social mediat war with authentic connection. AI, suicide rate both on upswing. Winter Count primitive skills camp v. popular, sold out. Resistance news.

01-25-2022

[audio]Overheating world, part of Java being submerged. Excerpt from Mark Seely's remarkable Old Dog, JZ's preface to Russian zine Egalite questionaire. Metaverse promises new horizon of experience as its merger of digital and virtual would extinguish actual experience. Attention span, focus undone by ever-encroaching tech. "This no Way to be Human," states Alan Lightman about a natureless world, but can only advise being "mindful" because "technology will not stop or even slow down"(!). AI chatbots for "conversation" in the global, barren techno-sphere. Anarchist news, development.

01-18-2022

[audio]A first: kids 12-17 now prefer being alone or online to being with friendsor family: the crushing estrangement of tech. Two op-eds on same day about political and social disintegration (NYT 1-14). Oceans warmest yet. The Real Anthony Fauci by RFK Jr. - dumb conspiracy dodge; Fauci, the devil? CIV is the devil. Mass shooting in Eugene. Tech failures, delays, propaganda. Resistance reports.

01-11-2022

[audio]Kathan co-hosts; maybe our last remote broadcast in 2 years. Jan. 6 anniversary hoopla -more distraction from the actual crisis. Covid rages and new, 'mystery' diseases appear (e.g. in New Brunswick). Boulder CO not a forest fire but an "urban firestorm." Superb new children's book: 24 Hours in the Stone Age by Lan Cook. "Waste colonialism" - plastic waste to poorer countries. "Focus Mode" (The New Yorker, 12-20): writer-machine interface. Action reports (esp. Kazakhstan, Serbia, Paris).blockquote>

01-04-2022

[audio]Covid and other diseases. "The Land" by JZ. Dirty mining (lithium, cobalt, nickel) for a "Green" future! Alexa tells kid to electrocute herself. "Untact" - hideous new level of estrangement: Anti human contact. The Making of Incarnation by Tom McCarthy(life usurped by technology). More say they'll never have children. Mass shootings, winter wildfires,recalls. Taste the TV, a wonderful tech breakthrough. Arsons!

2021

12-28-2021

[audio]Teen immiseration and despair. Dave Eggers' The Every: A must read. Anti-vax follies. Homicide by cops stays high despite protests. r/antiwork has 1.4 million members. Anti-Alexas privacy concerns mount. Worker resistance, some of it outside Organized Labor control. Big far-Right threat?? Action news..

12-21-2021

[audio] Podcast interviews. Covid news. Schools closed Friday due to TikTok alarm, against backdrop of more school shootings. Arson attacks in Japan, mass violence spreading. Global warming now officially an "emerging threat" to U.S. economy. Tech vulnerabilities. E-sports gain ground in a tattered techno mental health landscape. Resistance news, victories.

12-14-2021

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. "Birds Do Not Exist" - brilliant. A "Black Box" for the planet (NYT 12-11). Increased anxiety, suicidal ideation, depression among students. Suicide attempts among girls up 51%. Dream: instant "art" from an app. Mega-tornado in month least likely to see tornados. Young Latinos dying of COVID in alarming numbers (LAT 12-04). Multiple fires in dry Idaho. Re-sistance briefs. Solstice - new light - ahead.

12-07-2021

[audio] Once-radical Kingsnorth hits new low. Anti-vaxism as conspiracy 'theory'. Dire enviro news e.g. blizzard in Hawaii, prairies burn in Montana, NE Brazil becomes desert, world's worst pollution. The existential gamble of the Metaverse: tech uber alles? Miami's Art Basel now digital, virtual. Artificial Intimacy: Virtual Friends, Digital Lovers, and Algorithmic Match- Makers by Rob Brooks. Mass shootings resume. Theartbeat of Trees by Peter Wohlleben. Action news near and far.

11-30-2021

[audio] "Time, Domestication, Stress": Laylabdel-Rahm presents. Hunter-gatherer references on rise. Pandemic death toll marches on, anti-vaxxers have blood on their hands Falling faith in basic institutions. Delphi: AI designed to make moral choices. More on recent books. "We're Longing for the One Thing the Metaverse Can't Give Us" : human touch. Yassification(?) Varieties of resistance.

11-23-2021

[audio] Deep Adaptation: shocking surrender-to-catastrophe movement. Anarcho-primitivist review of Graeber-Wengrow book by JZ. Sign of the times: LA's Staples Center becomes Crypto.com Arena. Desert tortoise next on extinction list. Qanon: "a threat to American democracy"(?) The Every by Dave Eggers. All glaciers may be gone in 20 years. Mental health in tatters, especially among youth. Panopto classroom surveillance. Resistance reports.

11-16-2021

[audio] Excellent a-p get-together in Portland. Phoney climate summit in Glasgow. Geo-engineering our only "hope"? The Machine marches on. Seoul city govt. signs onto Metaverse, as 3 out of 4 Americans think Facebook makes society worse. Much distrust, anti-civ ideas make headway, scaring Graeber-Wengrow types. Powerful "Zuckerberg" poem. A Hunter-gatherer Guide to the 21st Century - nothing of the sort says Mark Seely, rather a thinly -veiled transhumanist effort! Mnemophrenia movie - what is real in a VR world? Resistance news.

11-09-2021

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Save the Atlanta Forest campaign presentation at U of O. "Metaverse? Are You Kidding Me?" (NYT 11-1). "Is the Problem Facebook? Or the Internet?" (NYT 11-4). Tech's effort to control everything. "Work? I Think it Numbs You Somehow" (NYT 11-2). Seamus McGraw's From a Taller Tower: The Rise of the American Mass Shooter: no greater silence than that between shootings. Mass society, mass violence. How to Blow up a Pipeline: Learning to Fight in a World on Fire by Andreas Malm: why are we not seeing property damage, sabotage? U.S. life expectancy declining. Action briefs.

11-02-2021

[audio] Intercontinental Zoom conference on time and domestication.A radical thaw? Something's in the air. More erratic and extreme weather as Glsagow climate summit convenes - "the last best hope" (NYT 10-30) (?!). Being a Human by Charles Foster looks wonderful, nails domestication. 70% of Americans think social media "do more harm than good," only 20% see it the other way.Elon Musk's SpaceX has leaking toilets problems,Roblox games site down for days.Resistance briefs.

10-26-2021

[audio] Preview opinion of Graeber and Wengrow's new book, The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Everything. Climate crisis impacts across the board, in every field.Anti-work pervasive, Squid Game repulsive. Dune - a cautionary tale? Micro-plastics, "forever" chemicals" EVERYWHERE. Extreme heat deaths way under-reported. Byung-Chul Han's latest, Capitalism and the Death Drive discussed.Resistance notes.

10-19-2021

[audio] "The Great Resignation" (The Atlantic 10-15) and related 'revolt against work' aspects. "Presence" poem from Bill in California. Rising plastic, rising seas, rising dis-ease/disquiet. Various tech fails, outages. Upload, an opera that blurs distinction between humand machine, a popular theme. QR code tattoo popularity. Annual weight of e-waste equal to that of China's Great Wall. Wire your brain to short-circuit depression, literally.Byung-Chul Han books. Action news.

10-12-2021

[audio]Kathan co-hosts. Report on Sojourner Truth book launch In Gary IN. Two global Facebook outages last week, as it becomes even clearer how FB and its apps damage society and teens in particular. 6x more heat deaths in California 2010-2019 than thought. Deepening "eco-anxiety" according to British Medical Journal. Glaeser and Cutter's Survival of the City book is pro-city even as it acknowledges the "demons that accompany density"(!) Earth, moon dimming ("earthshine"),absorbing more heat, worsening climate crisis. Action news.

10-05-2021

[audio]Baudrillard, Biyung-Chul Han discussed. The cancer of "infrastructure," less than half of deaths by cops reported. Infants' poop has 10x the microplastics of adults.' Huge craters from methane explosions in Siberia. Amazon's Astro home robot sees, hears all. Massive carbon footprint of computers. Melting face emoji perfect fit for anxious, exhausted life-world. Action briefs, nature strikes back.

09-28-2021

[audio]Half of world youth think "humanity is doomed"(The Independent, 9/14). Mass shootings in Russia, Tennessee. TikTok news: indigenous woman, culture now media hit; trashing school bathrooms big craze. "Mark Zuckerberg's 'Metaverse' Is a Dystopian Nightmare" by Jacobin's Ryan Zickgraf. US Covid deaths surpass that of 1918-1919 flu pandemic. "Ebooks Are an Abomination" by Ian Bogost. Workers quitting in droves, action news.

09-21-2021

[audio] "Are We In the Last Days of Civilization?" (Vice News, 9/18).Latest global overheating catastrophe news. The great resignation continues. Potty-trained cows; zebras escape. Thousand of birds slaughtered by NYC high-rises. Covid deaths; ozone hole grows. "Virtual Reality Will Conquer Your Face" (NYT, 9/18), as metaverse spreads. Resistance news.

09-14-2021

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. 9/11 and the world system. Local columnist wonders whatever happened to connection, place (R-G, 9/11). Always a tech "solution" to every manner of alienation. Workers still not working. CBS's "The Activist" series: online idiocy. Irish robot teaches many subjects (Irish Times, 8/30).Climate disaster marches on. Osaka, Japan cafe: no face-to-face contact allowed. Giant rodents attack luxury Buenos Aires gated community, LA bank trashed.

09-07-2021

[audio] Impact of overlapping disasters. Civilization itself begins to enter awareness(?) "The new norm," "the new dystopia." "Grace"by JZ. Playstation's "Season" game: experience last moments of dying cultures. Emergentism: will robots attain consciousness upon further development? Dopamine Nation by Anna Lembke: massive, literal iPhone addiction. More on "metaverse" from Facebook. In Dixie Fire wolf pack survives, cattle herd perishes. 54% of youth have suicidal thoughts (CBS News, 8/26). Resistance news.

08-24-2021

[audio] David Rovics controversy: a basic tactical question. Afghanistan - history, resistance to Taliban rule. Mounting Covid death toll among cops - too stupid to vaccinate. Benefit cut-offs NOT easing work avoidance. Rainfall on highest point of Greenland's Ice Sheet, 1st time in recorded history as Greenland loses 800 billion tons of ice per year. Global inflammation at all levels. Believers: Making a Life at the End of the World by Lise Wells. Resistance briefs.

08-17-2021

[audio] FOIA request update. Two poems. Heat, fires, drought. UN Report: climate crisis getting much worse, much faster. e.g. July hottest month ever. As Covid onslaught worsens, Left remains blind, irrelevant.12 Bytes by Jeanette Winterson: hymn totechnology, techno-future. Google's Find My Device for the phone-addicted. Wired: "I Think an AIs Flirting with Me. Is It OK to Flirt Back?" (!) Mass shooting in SW England. Action reports.

08-10-2021

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Covid rages, kills last Awa hunter-gatherer. What do we owe each other? Are fires becoming "unfightable"? "What if Humans Just Can't Get Along Anymore?" Internet deepens the problem. (NYT, 8/4) Robot "Pepper" a big flop at faking being human. Atlantic current weakest in over 1,000 years: dire consequences ahead for Northern Hemisphere."Suburbs of Surveillance" (Bloomberg City Lab, 8/4). Resistance briefs.

08-03-2021

[audio] Immiseration and technology go hand in hand. Olympics R.I.P. Devastating extremes of weather. Greenland ice is going fast. Loneliness breeds bad health and pushes authoritarian thinking. Great Salt Lake drying up. Facebook moving from social media company to "metaverse company."[VR] TERF hatred of trans folks. Tech failures, tech future (e.g. total surveillance,total plunder of the earth). Action news.

07-27-2021

[audio] Pessimism sets in as pandemic and climate fester harshly. Olympics fiasco. Covid deaths likely top 3 million india. US life expectancy falls 1 and 1/2 years in 2020. Eric Clapton won't perform where vaccinations are mandated, a nice add-on to his notorious racism. Chris Hedges: "the great majority of antifand black bloc folks are cops." "The Jessica Simulation: Love & Loss in the Age of AI (SF Chronicle, 7/23). Google tweaks emoji designs to make them more universal/standardized. Hyundai Ad of the Week: robots dancing with robot-like BTS K-pop band. Action news.

07-20-2021

[audio] FOIA follies. Covid marches on; thank you, anti-vaxxers! Letter from Serbia. Major study finds 1972 MIT prediction of probable collapse right on schedule. Recalls galore. "Simplicity" by JZ. Drug deaths set record, sea of shootings. Loneliness epidemic. Impacts of severe heat, flooding in Europe. Amazon now releasing carbon, not storing it.. Pathologies of late civilization and Left's basic blindness e.g. Wayne Price.

07-13-2021

[audio] Kathan co-hosts.Severe heat, West on fire. Covid realities vs. white privilege. NY subway system, city of Chicago: bleak futures. Where is consciousness? Brandeis U. cancels 'trigger warnings' - may themselves trigger (!) "Why Can't We Be Friends" (Real Life, July 1): social media "parasocial" interaction is false answer to disconnectedness. "Trees Give UsLife. The Fake Ones [cell towers] Give Us Tik-Tok" (LA Times, June 30). Indigenous groups stop Harvard geo-engineering project and other resistance news from all over.

06-29-2021

[audio] Tang Ping ("lying flat"): Chinese anti-work phenomenon, aspects in other countries. Robots as companions: debased response to loneliness. Mega canal planned for Istanbul area, more dead bodies of water, desert plants dying at alarming rate. Heat waves, other weather extremes. 12-story Miami condo collapse. QAnon invades New Age circles. Simlish, BTS for the brain-dead. Bismuth - clean energy of the future! Resistance news.

06-22-2021

[audio] Earth's trapped heat has doubled in just 14 years. Closing in on 300 mass shootings so far in 2021. Growing global mental health crisis over enviro devastation. Digital pet toys; robotic pets for the old who are "Home and Alone" (The New Yorker, May 31). "Regression" by JZ. "Should We Be Concerned that the decisions of AIs Are Inscrutable?" (Aeon, June 14), "Where Are All the Wild Things, Daddy?" (NYT, June 20). Climate refugees, mounting Covid-19 deaths, work refusal. Action reports.

06-15-2021

[audio] Kathan reinstated! A-p gathering in Portland. Sri Lanka's worst beach pollution ever,"sea snot" hastens death of Turkey's Sea of Marmara (already a mainly dead sea like the Gulf of Mexico). Almost 50 million Americans have only one - or no-one - to run to for help. The odyssey of an elephant herd in China. Further zombification for smartphone zombies. Apple can tell you how you are. Gigantic energy drain of cryptocurrency mining. Julian Cribb's Earth Detox: How and Why We Must Clean Up our Planet (25,000 die of contamination daily). Horrors of biotech, war on nature discussed in 2nd Nature: Scenes from a World Remade by Nathaniel Rich. Resistance briefs.

06-08-2021

[audio] Anarchist anti-vaxxers? (reply to "free spirit"). Cyberattack frenzy. Kids with zero contact with natural world. Miami needs 20' sea wall. Tech is constant enveloping context e.g. Amazon providing high tech "ZenBooths" for stressed workers; "Tell It To Woebot" (NYT June 1); Walmart employees to be online 24/7. Lurking: How A Person Became a User by Joannes McNeil (online culture). Action reports.

06-01-2021

[audio] Fossil Men: The quest for the Oldest Skeleton and the Origins of Humankind by Kermit Pattison. "A Snarky Anarky Poem" by Jen. "The Great Resignation" (NBC News May 30): Work? No thanks. New Chernobyl problem. Shootings coast to coast. Pilotless planes? Worker blues at high-tech firms. Action news.

05-25-2021

[audio] Cease-fire reached one day after Italian dockworkers refuse to load Israeli weapons ship. The pig Chauvin charged with murder day after Minneapolis police station torched. "The Flight of Abstraction" by JZ. Civ. is a work machine. Half a billion are overworked. National parks, reserves fail to protect re: species loss, deforestation, etc. Drought, fires in West as planet overheats. Moor Mother, resistance news. "How the Personal Computer Broke the Human Body" (Vice Motherboard) Seeing Silicon Valley: Life Inside a Fraying America by Meehand Turner.

05-18-2021

[audio] Zionist assault on Gaza, latest Israeli atrocity. Cyberattacks have free rein. 'Help Wanted' - Is there a revolt against work? Blackouts threaten entire U.S. West. Universal contamination of American women's breast milk. Zooming worsens epidemic loneliness. IBT Fast Start, May 11: "The advent of social media came with claims that it would bring people together and harness a new-found sense of unity. Two decades later, we couldn't be farther apart." Smartphones the "death of proximity." Oak#3,Yes, Human out now. Action news.

05-11-2021

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. 23 ton space junk "tumbled out of control" - rather like civ is doing. Global pandemic rages on.6th-grade girl opens fire at her Idaho school. Major mining required for 'green, sustainable'(!) technology. "Why Are So Many Children Nearsighted?" (May 4 NYT): kids online not outdoors. Techo-king Elon Musk hosts SNL: The purveyors of the Industrial Revolution were hated, spat upon, not celebrated. Permalink and other bio-engineering Franken-horrors. 11 states have abolished death penalty in past 16 years but state murder continues. 'Road rage' spreads to airliners. Resistance news.

05-04-2021

[audio] "Zombie Apocalypse" india first-hand. These are the plague days. Bone-dry West: fire season begins. California's carbon offset credits increase pollution not reduce it. "A Stark Inequality" with each breath (NYT, 4/29): air pollution and Blacks. "Driverless" cars require constant surveillance. Toyota builds a city for self-driving cars. American musical about mental health a hit across China. Crohn's Disease on rise everywhere."Be Skeptical of Virtual Medicine" by Elizabeth Rosenthat: a partial critique. The rise of big data psychiatry. "Hunting for Stone" by James V. Morgan (Oak journal #3). Action reports.

04-27-2021

[audio] Police killings, mass shootings not slowing down. How not to understand pandemic, India, Brazil reeling. "Four Lost Cities" by Annalee Newitz: Failing civs marked by "political instability coupled with environmental crisis." Sound familiar? 3 billion fewer North American birds in past 30 years. Peak sand, drought looms in the West, more autopilot car fatalities. Cryptocurrency is mega energy drain. UK postal workers exonerated after bad software convictions (false data). New podcasts, books. Action briefs.

04-20-2021

[audio] "'Mental health' of the shooter? How about the 'mental health' of the country?" (CNN!) Johan Eddebo's review of Don DeLillo's Silence. Subtract: The Untapped Science of Less by Leidy Plotz. Potato energy. Commies in the park. Muldrow Glacier races toward its end. Katy Perry: "Social media is trash." 87,000 O.D. deaths in one year. "Eccentrics, Artists and Luddites Find Community on a Remote Scottish Peninsula. Resistance news from Portland elsewhere. Cancel culture?

04-13-2021

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. CO2 levels highest in 3.6 million years, cherry blossoms in Japan earliest in 1200 years. 4,000 Covid deaths per day in Brazil. An explosion of mass shootings; 30,000 children and teens dead by gunfire in past decade. Direct action resistance near and far not to be overlooked, as April 11 "White Lives Matter" rallies flop. Revenge porn, high tech horrors (e.g. Neuralink brain-computer interface). Big seller in Japan: single serve rice cookers, as iso-lation rules. AlphaDog is a Chinese robot "just like the real thing." Raft of Stars by Andrew J. Graff: anti-civ novel to lift the spirit.

04-06-2021

[audio] New books by Laurent Testot and Mansoor Khan. Mass shootings: "Permanent Half Staff."Megafauna overkill extinction myths. Wildfires already. Netflix: as much co2 released as 2.7 billion miles of car travel. AI for emotional learning, dependant on grunt work of thousands of "ghostworkers." Trust in tech companies way down. Kaczynski's "thorough" and "well-supported" (anews.org) critique of anarcho-primitivism uses falsified evidence. Action news.

Transcript

Speaker 1: And if you are the dealer, I'm out of the game. If you are thealer means I'm broken and lame. If thine is the glory then mine must be the shame. You want it darker. Kill the flame. That sanctified people holding him crucified in the human frame, million candles burning for thelp that never came. You want it darker. I'm ready, my Lord. There's a lover in the story, but the story is still the same. There's a little. Path of suffering and a paradox to blame. But it's written in the Scriptures and it's not some idle claim. You want it darker. We kill the flame. The prisoners and the guards to take an aim. Our struggle was so deep and they were middle class and I didn't know I had permission to murder. To me you want it darker, my Lord. Magnified, sanctified in the holy name, crucified in the human frame. Million candles burning for the love that never came. You want it darker. We kill the flame. If you was a teaser, let me out of. The game, if you are thealer, I'm. Broken and lame, if thine is the glory, mine must be the shame you want it darker. I'm ready.

Speaker 3: Welcome to Anarchy Radio for April 6th. Let me start out by. Just promoting something that I think can be very. Very positive, but I know it's not available to everybody, but what I'm talking about is I'm referring to our local monthly reading group. And now that the weather is nicer. It's a pleasure to be outside. I actually took a couple of months off in the middle of winter. I didn't want to be stationary for two hours. That weaning out, even though I do wear shorts here around anyway, yeah, really satisfying and renew connections with people. You know, kick ideas around. We've been reading the books of Richard Manning, by the way. We read his prairies book. I think it's just called grass and let's see last Friday when we met were talking about his against the grain, how agriculture hijacked civilization. And by the way, I find that sometimes the books that are halfway don't quite make it or even worse than that are just as. Inviting or just as stimulating for the discussion? As are sometimes really good books, but this one let me just mentioned the subtitle on the cover, how agriculture hijacks civilization. Well, that’s a muddle. Obviously, as if civilization was just fine. But then agriculture came along and messed it up, hijacked it. Because look the civilization is agriculture. If it had a heart, that would be theart of it. So and he. It the whole book is about the,, horrible record of agriculture. In many many. Ways, but he also explicitly says, oh, but I'm not against civilization or agriculture. Oh no, and one of the thing. By the way, if you if you do read Manning or not his views on megaphonic. Extinction more than once. He says very plainly. People just will kill off everything insight anytime they have the chance, they'll just waste whatever other species is available every time. Well, that's nonsense. And by the way, it's a staple or pillar of racist, colonialist thinking. You know, we gotta have somehow enlightened white people will come in and prevent. The extinction of whatever it is. That's been debunked so many times. It's just embarrassing and offensive. I mean, what about the millions upon millions of Buffalo and the North American planes? And by the way, just last week there was a story about big. Horned sheep. a classic species in the sharp cliffs of the Rockies. That's a big Curled horns they have. Well, once they were very plentiful and not just up on. The peaks. They were down on the plane, not at the numbers of Buffalo, but turns out that they are now approaching extinction and not because of. Indigenous hunters or even modern hunters. The reason why they've they're now just dwindling like crazy is domesticated sheep. Domesticated sheep are the main reason they're facing extinction, and herds of sheep have just eaten the edible ground cover. So now they're driven to. Well, they're driven to extinction, but they've been driven to these uplands. These strikingly seemingly inhospitable parts of the landscape, anyway, that could go on about Richard Manning, but I've got a new book. From Lauren testo. Catastrophes and environmental history of humanity. It's quite ambitious. This came out in French. And two in 2017, and there's a chapter about the last 2 1/2 years, so it's very up-to-date. It really covers a lot, and this joins the ranks of. Books which end like this. This the last part. The book we urgently need to declare an end to this war against the planet. If we want things to end well, if we want our children to see real real owls in real forests in the future. I mean, it's just., he says tomorrow will be too late. This really we're just up against it, and,, it's I don't know. I'll find out if it's. Fails a little bit in terms of. How specific? What is his analysis and what is his prescription? It's it seems vague to me so far. Well, one other book and this not available yet. It's called one the story of the ultimate myth. This a new and unique novel from India. By Mansoor Khan He's actually from a well known Bollywood family. He has seen the light. This I'm I've been honored to trying to write an introduction to it. I'm definitely going to try to provide. It's a story of a woman who is suffering from something like it's unspecified, but I think it's probably a bipolar condition, something like that. So that's what she's up against, but even more profoundly as the book goes on. She has to face. Being turned crazy because of her anti civilization ideas. And the book I'm going to get into it more later, and when it's available even more, I think. It's a little bit like my name is jealous and I'm in recovery from Western civilization. Although this a bit more tragic. A story. She has to face all kinds of,. Serious opposition for her views and as well as on a more personal level her her own condition. And it's interspersed with parts of her notebook which is just referred to as the book, and she has. She's talking about the basics of civilization, which she mainly defines as a boundary problem, as it that's the bottom line problem with civilization and. And she shows you these diagrams, so it's. It's operating on a couple of different levels, that least so. Very overjoyed to see this book and to also to find out that hey, it's time for these really strong books. They don't need to come from the West. You know they don't need to be usually Eurocentric or North American centric works as I've mentioned. Several times sand talk by. Tyson Yuka Porta the Aboriginal character and that's an amazing book, OK? COVID showed the world slowed the world. Talking about contamination. And deforestation. Deforestation actually speed up during the when we're still in it, we're still within the pandemic thing, but. Including the increasing rate of destruction of tropical forests globally and it kept on going. And among the. Ohh what a welter of alarming stuff but we got wildfires already. There was last week early last week 81 degrees in Aberdeen, SD last Monday. A mere 33 degrees above normal. Mount Rushmore National Memorial was closed. This the wildfires in the Black Hills. Of South Dakotand then toward the end of the week. A Big North Dakota wildfire. You know that was taking place. We're still in March. And I won't say too much. I know with my big tires and you keep talking about the mass shootings, but. You really are at an astonishing level. There was a political cartoon the other day. Showing a flag at half mast. Mass shootings permanent half staff? That's that's the deal. Isn't it permanent? What's going to change that? That's going to make that improvement. That's going to make that horrific pathological phenomenon go away. And we'll see Sunday the 28th. The gunman killed his parents. And two others at a convenience store and then killed themselves. That is, apartment on fire before this rampage. This was a legally purchased gun. No criminal record. All this stuff about background checks. It's just basically it's hotter. The problem is so much deeper than that. Last Wednesday in orange. The town, just a little southeast of LA Orange County. The City of Orange. Multiple victims, yeah. He had a business in the city of Orange. And well, this coming out of retirement. Remember the end of the week? Well, this a good one. This was a full page ad in the week one of the news magazines weekly News magazine. From Deepak Chopra, MD. He's the new age healer. Guru Pema Guy, he is pushing the firm Personal Capital. Yeah, wealth management. You know he's all about personal transformation. I guess the bottom line is dollar health. Keep abundance in your thoughts and focus on financial well-being. Yeah now he's a shill for. Straight up capitalism, that's lovely. Shouldn't come as too big of a. Shock I suppose. Well, let's see. On the weekend. Friday, I think. It was. There was a piece in the New York Times Code 19 killed the last Yuma Elder in the Amazon. Yeah, and the Brazilian. Rainforest He died he was. His name is Aruka Deuma. Also the story of the world's largest rainforest. Which is also dying, but. Here's the extinction of the Yuma people. In amazonia? Yeah, they're disappearing. As is degree to forest. Helium broom. A very strong story. Very strong piece. Well, just to. Back up just a little bit. To the problem of what's going on with the kelp forest along the California coast, especially the north Northern California coast. More than 95% of it. Has vanished these underwater kelp forests, which do a lot to combat acidification in the ocean. The latest was from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. kneeling that down. Who would you want? Salmonella contamination announced on the 29th March 29th. The biggest pet food recall ever the covering. All kinds of. Brands this dry. Mostly dog food. Yeah, huge. Yeah, lots of dead pets. And terrifying disease menaces Australia more. This just, into the more spectacular problems. But flesh eating ulcers. This a berulie ulcer technically. It's called it's. Caused by a flesh eating bacteria, and it's been reported in 33 countries. And cases are spiking in Southeast Australia, the Melbourne area. You know it's just more. Basically, it's just another zoonotic disease. As humans encroach increasingly on. Other animals habitats. It's impossible to prevent. Of course, the prevention would be stopping the cancer development. So that we wouldn't be wiping out habitat. And over the weekend I'll close up with this the endless encyclopedia. The week's Terrible stuff from Manatee County and Central Florida. There is an evacuation order. This weekend Over the Easter weekend, it turns out there's a big old phosphate processing plant pond. Yeah, a wastewater pond which could collapse at any time. Could create a 20 foot wall of really contaminated water. It's this process. It has to do with radioactive waste as well as all kinds of carcinogenic. Metals and other toxic stuff is bad news, and it has a significant leak. And maybe by the time you hear this. That will have happened. I don't know. Well, let me switch over to for now. Some of the more political stuff . I'm really having trouble. I don't know if. This going to be continuing, but there's some of my sources for the Action News stuff my briefs reports. On that act for freedom now not possible to get in there. It's got some a warning thing that prevents me from opening it. Also 325 no state which is a big strong staple in terms of news. Of resistance all around the world couldn't get into that, it's just I don't know what the problem is. So I don't have a whole lot of stuff, but I wanted to. Mention first of all. Last week I think this was from the 30th of March at Eric's News. Dot Org There was a story that a feature called for and against primitivism. That was the main part of this deal, and it let me just read for read from it. Ted Kaczynski's thorough critique of anarcho primitivism. And it goes on to say and. This,. This article is well supported by all kinds of end notes blah blah. In other words, they're very pleased to hear Ted's critique of. Anarcho primitivism, which is very largely attack on my work. So it's not surprising anarchist news won't carry this broadcast, although I send it to them every week. Anyway, I've mentioned this before in public, but I don't know if I've ever mentioned it on the air and now finally with thelp I got the particular I had mentioned that I had a serious problem with some dishonest use of evidence. Misuse of evidence. In Kaczynski's treatment of the primitivist literature. And this what there was a quote. In reference to rights surrounding a period of mourning and it's from Australian Aborigines, I think the main source there was Elkin. Talking about what was about sexual activity being proscribed during this period. And the quote was homosexuality was not permitted either. But what Kaczynski left out he cited homosexuality was not permitted, as if it's just a they that these people. Had a ban on *** ***. It's just exactly not what it was referring to. It was. Referring to that, there was a cessation of any sexual activity. During these days of mourning, so that's really. So if that's the level of honesty with which he. Dealing with stuff., yeah. You can take that for what? It's worth. In terms of how thorough and how well supported it was, that's really offensive. That was the end of our connection. I was actually helping him write this piece. I was were discussing these things even though I knew it was going to be anti primitivist piece. And I wasn't the only one. It turns out Kevin Tech was also in correspondence with him and trying to assist, because originally I felt, well, you're in a maximum prison, . You are gonna be. You got an uphill battle in terms of the literature you're access to it. You know, I knew what his biases were and this yeah, as well as dishonest. It's just offensive. It's objectionable the anti-gay, the homophobic deal, the women. He's trying to show that it's somehow the natural state of things. Before or outside of civilization to subjugate women? Man that's crap. And underline crap if you have to lie about stuff. Yeah, I think maybe some of you have heard this, but I don't think I've ever said it on the show. I have some other news. Also alsome zany stuff. This out of New Orleans. How a progressive people's coalition? Helped elect a progressive. District Attorney, yeah, the progressive prosecutor. Yeah you wanna you want a nice guy to wield the guillotine or the axe? Yeah, you don't want some conservative. I mean yeah, that makes all the difference. Yeah, the people's DA coalition. Yeah, that was that was always big in San Francisco. DA or the sheriff's position? All these lefties would come out and promote the. Some very liberal person who operated exactly the same as the one who wasn't liberal would a joke, come on, let's let's have a little. A weakness here. Well, there was a story in the Atlantic April 2nd through by Graham Wood. About something that's developed from Cincinnati. It's called the not ****** around coalition. About a black militia. And man, they are way more militant than Black Lives Matter. Interesting piece. I hadn't heard of this group and. Anyway, we are getting to the place. Where people come, they're going to shoot back. Straight up. It's not only the random shootings of white pigs. Now maybe they're going to.

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Speaker 3: I'm not so sure about the politics. Of this nfac Grew, I don't really know all about it, but. That's what it's. That's what it's about. And they know how to handle firearms anyway, there'll be. More about that. I think. On the 1st, the Myanmar government than the military government has shut down the Internet. Social media shut it down indefinitely because of the protest movement. So it brings up that questionce again of dependency on the Internet and social media. You can just turn it off. As they've done in various places in Europe to foil protest maneuvers. You know, and how obvious can that be? OK, March 15th. This just came out more recently than that. There was a rodeo ring near conception. In Chile, heavily damaged by fires and good photos at by back. And a promo of Puche Liberation pamphlet was left behind. I think they're trying to make that connectionce again. Animal liberation and human liberation. As if we're not. Animals, but they go together. The cages involve. All species. Some more than others, obviously, but OK in Salem. Last Monday the 29th. And I noticed the news stories left something out, but it was pretty obvious from the details of the stories about 200 Antifa folks showed up to prevent a so-called freedom rally. Right? By right wing racists at the state Capitol, which has been often. A place where tussles and conditions have happened well, what actually happened was there was no rally. It was just a drive by these fools and they got and some of their vehicles were. Oh man, they came out of force against these right wingers and one guy one right winger. Was his truck was getting pelted with rocks and I think he was even spray painted and so he jumped down and pulled out his gun. And then the cops. Ended up intervening there. He didn't shoot anybody, but man, the Freedom rally. They had their tails between their legs. Very nice here in Oregon. Oh I I gosh, I'm glad I didn't forget this entirely. Next week Catherine is going to co-host. She's helping vaccinate people up there in the Rose City, but we will be connected by phone and the audacity app. She doesn't do her shift until later. On the day we recorded that so. It'll be very fun. Find out what's going down up there in Portland. Well, here's another. There's more and more. You know. It's as artificial intelligence rolls out. In different ways, the various claims that are made. All about machine learning and so forth. There's a piece from Futurity March 29th. Well, now supposedly AI has developed emotional intelligence. There are algorithms. In place. This what researchers are up to. Algorithms that provide the ability. I'll just quote this from. This a PhD student at Stanford. This ability will be key to making artificial intelligence, not just more intelligent, but more human, so to speak. So to speak, they are developing. Where we've already collected a new data set called. Yeah, not only maybe doing art and even music and. So forth, but. Yeah, it's so AI will not be will be able to not only recognize objects. In activities, but they can tell. What is going on? In terms of how. What feelings are involved? What emotions? On offer well, the good news. There's some good news here from Axios March 31st was the study provided first to Axios. About trust in technology. And how the tech sector globally? The favorable views have fallen. Really quite a lot. There once was fairly high public esteem for technology, but man, that's it is really falling. This trust is called the Edelman Trust barometer. Survey 31,000 people in 27 countries. Yeah, this a pretty much transnational deal. A significant decline. And . What really is the question is not just the policies of these tech corporations, but. Are we talking about trust in the technology itself? And I think that's that is what's going on. Yeah, there’s. There's more on that. And Sophia remember Sophia from Hanson, robotics. Out of Hong Kong, there was a digital artwork. That Sophia. Sophie and the robot created. It's sold for $688,888.00 last month. And you might remember that Sophia was granted Saudi Arabian citizenship. Back in 2017. The world's first robot citizen. You know this lovely stuff. But the creative artwork. I envisioned Sophias a creative artwork herself that could generate art said. Hanson, hence the name Hanson Robotics. Quote Sophia is a combination of a lot of arts and engineering, and the idea that she could then generate art was a way for her to emotionally and visually connect with people. Yeah, emotionally connect with the machine. Here it is in black and white. Well, along with all the AI stuff the machine learning developments and. So home developments BBC early last week had a story about these so-called ghost workers. They do all the grunt work to enable the rest of it. You know they classify and label data, wrote stuff that, but these bonded machines aren't bright enough to do it, so humans. And as the piece says, this a very good line as we train the machines to become more human. Are we actually making the humans work more like machines? Yeah, bottom line. AI systems that are increasingly controlling every aspect of our lives. Well, this in the most direct sense, and this and thank you for our C. Yeah, how about the control? Involved in this. Onerous tedious. Work to make the flashy stuff go insofar as it does go. OK, middle of last week. I think this was Tuesday for the 4th time a SpaceX rocket blew up. Yeah, Elon Musk's, he's they're firing up hundreds of satellites. They're they're getting by with that. But they're just having one. Disaster after another, and this also from last week a pressure vessel from a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket. It's about the size and shape. Of a water heater. Fell onto a farm in Washington state. Looks pretty scary. A black item if you do obviously killed anything in its path. Yeah, this was after sending a payload of Spacex's Starlink satellites into orbit. Grant County, Washington. The farmer didn't want to be identified. All right? Well, we get to some benign stuff. You know, we all need to do some streaming I guess. And Netflix and so on. Well, that's another piece. Grateful for our C. This from the Daily Telegraph. For UM, March 30, Netflix released as much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere last year as 2.7 billion miles of car travel. The company has revealed, yeah, they’re admitting it, and meanwhile they, they put out a statement. Part of the statement said we aspire to entertain the world, but that requires a habitable world to entertain. So yeah, we're just working on it. You know we. This incredibly. Yeah, and this the global warming it's you think Netflix you could just sit there on the screen and. There's no. Greenhouse gas emissions. Yeah, it's not. It's not causing global overheating at all. I mean, this pretty amazing. I had no idea it was that much to tell you the truth. 2.7 billion. Miles of car travel. It's the equivalent of your nice safe. Netflix operating. Well, this not a news story either, but. In fact, there's been some evidence on this going back a few years, including. This story on Russian cosmonaut. So what this about is. The damaging health effects of being in space. And more and more evidence, muscle atrophy, including theart muscle. Also brain size shrinking of the brain even gene functioning. So yeah, we're just going to take a ride out to Mars. I mean, this among the other. Problems, shall we say? But it's basically the weightlessness thing. Prolonged periods of weightlessness. It has very bad effects, very deleterious effects. The latest from. The University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center. And the director of Texas Health Presbyterian's Institute for Exercise and Environmental Medicine in Dallas. Yeah, more stuff coming in on this. Yeah, do you think that's value free or cost free? Yeah, and it's hard to cover that up. These are public figures and you can. I don't think they want this to be that available. The facts of the matter, but there it is. Well, by the way, last Thursday, April 1st, and it wasn't an April Fools joke. Just there's all kinds of this sort of. Info out there, but Microsoft Teams, Microsoft Teams, and Xbox Live were down for a few hours. Just the everyday life failures. Of technology. And there was a story. Where did I see this? Complete with photos. In Monterey County in California. They have approved a giant mega pack. Addition to a giant solar farm and this the photo they didn't tell you what the average, what the total acreage is involved, but vast. So if you think this not an industrial deal. To get this technology, this mega pack battery system, it's just it looks much like the solar panels that stretch. Well, not completely out of sight. I mean, it's not huge, huge, endless miles, but Enormous that's taking up land there. There are other of these big battery storage. Deals like in Australia South of Houston and Texas. Yeah, because they need to store the energy. You also need to transport the energy whether you're talking about solar or wind or battery, that's only part of it, and it's a big part right from the get. This look at this. This what the landscape is gonna be looking like if they. Approach what will be needed to keep the cancer of development going. To keep this suicidal. Blake called civilization roll. And contaminating everything. Of course, in the process, including. The soul. Yeah, when you when. You break it down. UM? It's a fantasy to think this just gonna be some wonderful. Almost magical green solution. Yeah, it's ugly and it's gonna have to happen. On the massive industrial scale, and this there's just no two ways about it. Well, there are some good things but and I want to mention again oak #3. The layout is underway. Might be able to see that by the. End of April. And again, I recommend if if it's available to you. It's a really cool project to have an informal. Book crew or book club? Reading group whatever you want to call it. It's a fun way to connect, especially. When it's face to face. As long as the faces shouldn't get too close to each other yet, but you can just you can be outside and It’s safer and. And there you are, having a stimulating time. I'm sure you've thought of other things and we're starting to come out of this condition and. And cross their fingers against more mutants, more variants as they call them. And whether or not there'll be another one just around the corner has been. Pattern lately, but. Anyway, it's springtime and more things are possible. Anyway, thank you for listening. Have a great week. Bye bye.

Speaker 2: They say everything can be replaced. They say every distance is not near. So remember everything. Of every man who put me here, I've seen my life from the West. Help me really. And say every man needs protection. They say every man must fall. Here I see my reflection. Somewhere inside these walls. I see my life. Any day, any day. He understands a man in this lonely crowd. Man who said he's not to blame all day long, I hear him hollering so loud. Just crying out that he's not to blame. Now any day now. Shall we?

03-30-2021

[audio] Pandemic of mass shootings, pigs add toll. Fine anti-tech lyrics from The Divine Comedy (2019) and Public Enemy (2020). Rethinking Food & Agriculture: New Ways Forward, by Amir Kassand Laila Kassan. From butterflies to Manatees to elephants: extinction looms. Mega-ship blocks Suez Canal in mega-globalized world system. Where we've gotten to:"We have to make talking about suicide a part of everyday life." (3-27 NYT). Resistance briefs.

03-23-2021

[audio] Pandemics to come. Theat, the rising seas. Climate refugees. "Why Not Now" by JZ. "Ghost forests." "Your Face Is Not Your Own" (NYT 3/21): facial recognition technology - the further erasure of privacy. Tablets wreck toddlers, songbirds can't sing, rubber trees facing extinction. Chris Colin's Off: The Day the Internet Died. Resistance news.

03-16-2021

[audio] Peter Werbe is guest. Talking about his Summer of Fire: A Detroit Novel, 1967 context. Four Lost Cities: A Secret History of the Urban Age by Annalee Newitz. Cities sinking under the weight of civilization. Singapore "diabolically" overheating. Gulf Stream slowing (could mean disaster). Paul Kingsnorth now a Romanian Orthodox Christian (reason for his decline?). Globally: allergies booming, freshwater fish facing extinction. Hunt, Gather, Parent: What Ancient Cultures Can Teach Us About the Lost Art of Raising Happy, Helpful Little Humans, by Michaeleen Doucleff.

03-09-2021

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Peter Werbe is guest next week. More on Klarand the Sun. All things covid. March 1 dust-up in Portland's Pearl district. Sherry Turkle (The Empathy Diaries) and Paul Kingsnorth (Alexandria) seem to be all in for the techno future(even as basics of tech are failing) (and the Brave New World presents itself as ever more alienating). Queens of the Stone Age lyric: "Is it too late to go back?/ Is it too late to go?"

03-02-2021

[audio] Vagaries of dying civilization, disasters far and wide (e.g. entire coast of Israel hit by big oil/tar devastation). Blockbuster novel by Kaguo Ishiguru,KLARAND THE SUN: Are we losing true humanness to the Machine? Far right groups on the wane? Anarchism--autonomy over democracy. Ever more invasive technology, methane blow-outs in Siberia. Zero accountability for murderous cops. Action news.

02-23-2021

[audio] Texas (biggest power outage in US history) and 2-21 NYT's front page "Storms Exposing a Nation Primed for Catastrophe."The next pandemic, varieties of coastal Australia die-offs. More racehorse deaths, suicidal children. "Why Do Humans Struggle to See Themselves as Animals " (2-18 The Guardian). Mars rover called Perseverance; why do we persevere on a suicidal course? Sophisticated barbed tool in Africa: at least 800,000 years old. Important Crimethinc. report: "From Punk to Indigenous Support," action news.

02-16-2021

[audio] Are we at a pivotal moment, a turning point? Tyson Yunkaporta's Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World vs. Under a White Sky: The Nature of the Future by Elizabeth Kolbert. No contest. "The Next Pandemic is Coming" (2/11 WSJ). Global warming news, shootings, earlier pollen/later rain. Oysters, sea otters die-offs. "Revenge bedtime procrastination." Resistance briefs.

02-09-2021

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. New (anti-tech) tunes from Weezer, Spark. Industrial ag and the climate crisis. Heavy metals in baby foods, no plan for "green" technology disposal.Himalayan glacier bursts, killing hundreds.Wildfire smoke not only contains toxic chemicals but "mind-bending" levels of fungi, bacteria. In and outs of pandemic reality, need for grass-roots alternatives, resistance. No More Cities, Zundlumpen, Gather,Loire estuary ZAD, war on cars in Portland, other action news.

02-02-2021

[audio] "A Note on Permanence" by JZ. Sharks & rays, bees way down, as seas keep rising. High-tech Japan has 'concretized' the country; cannot safely 'decommission' Fukushima reactors. Industrial disasters, scary lack of thiamine in Pacific. Alexand robots displace human agency & presence, amid general dysfunction. "When every company from Facebook to garage door openers is racing to collect as much datas possible, we can't really opt out unless you want to cut yourself off from 21st century life." (1-31 NYT) Lauren Oyler's debut novel, Fake Accounts, plumbs the existential reality of cyber life.Uncivilized Podcast, action news.

01-26-2021

[audio] Culture of nothingness: "Into the Void" by Kyle Chayka (01-24 NYTM). The loneliness pandemic. Stephen Leahy's "President Biden Refuses to Make our Climate Crisis Worse"(!) as CEOs are happy, boardrooms relieved with Joe. WSJ reports "A Bid Bet on antiseptic Future." Orbital congestion points to satellite collisions with dire consequences. Ongoing collapse of world's aquifers. How To Blow Up a Pipeline by Andreas Malm. Action news.

01-19-2021

[audio] Jeff Hendricks, fairly young anarchist, dead of Covid, one of two million. Racist pro-Trump groups splinter with Trump in disgrace."Animal Planet" (1-17 NYTM): ICARUS project tracks tagged species via satellite "to bring them closer to us." (!) Insect apocalypse: 1/3 may be gone in 20 years. "A spectrum of new anxieties" for remote workforce. Japanese man for hire, presence of one human being who does nothing. Fiery batteries, 92% of Arctic microplastics due to polyester pollution from clothing. Resistance news.

01-12-2021

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Crimethinc:fascist USA(?) NYT 01-10: Silencing a President, Big Tech Shows Where Power Now Lies."NBC News 01-03: "a lot of negativity around technology"- 'maybe the answer is MORE tech'(?) A record number of billion-dollar disasters in 2020. 40% of hospital construction in 2020 was psychiatric facilities. Salmon farming gets worse. 60,000 flip-flops found on Seychelles island. Cities globally on course to become ovens by 2100. Dutch book to introduce anti-civ, anti-tech ideas. Action briefs.

01-05-2021

[audio] Politics of the Nashville bomber. Barry Lopez: Ain't no Thoreau. Vaccination began in 10th century China. What is the anti-vax reality? Conspiracy 'theory' and racism. Covid-19 races on. 2020: hottest ever? Obesity in China, dancing robots. Online 'learning' a flop. Anti-Line 3 movement and other resistance news.

2020

12-29-2020

[audio] New Years resolutions detourned. Nashville detonation: apparently anti-tech. Shootings galore and not just in US. OD deaths far outpace covid-19 deaths in SF. A record 3 million Americans died in 2020, increase mainly due to pandemic. Tech failures. Dimitri Orlov on technosphere threat to everything. Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World by Tyson Yunkaporta. Ad of the week: Powerlegs - "deep muscle tone without moving." Unions as police agents, action news.

12-22-2020

[audio] Dark days. "Facebook is a Doomsday Machine" by Adrienne La GFrance (typical cop-out ending). Joseph Tainter, who has shown how and why civilizations fail, is now into "sustainability"(!) Crap: A History of Cheap Stuff in America by Wendy Woloson (how we become crappy?). 9 mile-long traffic jam in Japan. Sandal of nursing homes: "an era of institutional rot" - or is primary problem the institution (mass society)? Streaming in HD is 8x worse for environment. Major glitches re: videogame craze.Sunflower sea star nears extinction. Music of Harold Budd.

12-15-2020

[audio] Has the Singularity already arrived? IRL: Finding Realness, Meaning, and Belonging in our Digital Lives by Chris Steadman; Is 'In Real Life' obsolete? U of O Knight Campus for Acceleration of Scientific Impact [e.g. bioengineering] unveiled. Great Barrier Reef receives most dire rating. 130,000 year-old stone tools found near San Diego. Unidentified illnesses on the rise. Doom-scrolling. California water now a commodity traded on Wall Street. Anti-gentrification autonomous zone in Portland, Beyond the Dark Horizon zine, other resistance news.

12-08-2020

[audio] Due to a technical SNAFU, the recording of the 11-08 show was unusable. Instead, KWVA rebroadcast the 11-10-2020 episode of Anarchy Radio with Kathand John.

12-02-2020

[audio] Indigenous folks across U.S. fight to reclaim their traditional lands. From review of Cynan Jones' Stillicide novel:"...its theme of endurance in the face of loss hints at how the genre may evolve to reflect our own continuing catastrophe, for which the most dystopian fantasies may turn out to be nothing but a dry run." "Can Sending Fewer emails Really Save the Planet?" (No). Line between real and virtual worlds increasingly blurred as hypercomplex tech is increasingly vulnerable to failure and attack. New cockroach emoji - death of the human race anyone? MORE urbanization obviously the answer. Forthcoming: Wild Skills and Immediate Return books by Jessica Carew Kraft. Action news.

11-24-2020

[audio] Hunger, opioid deaths, homelessness crises, not to mention pandemic and ecocide"-Civ Is Crisis."Why Artsakh Still Matters to Americanarchists" by Nicky Reid: radical decentralization should be our destination. Ad of the Week: Medical Properties Trust: "unrivalled" investment opportunities in human misery! The Mutant Project: Inside the Global Race to Genetically Modify Humans by Eben Kirksey. Amazon, Google expand their reach. Action briefs.

11-17-2020

[audio] "World Past the Point of No Return for Climate Change" (Scientific Reports) as Covid-19 cases shoot up. China's glaciers disappearing. Art of Caroline Turner, possible Ish production luddite perspectives. Global hunger pandemic, measles deaths soar. From cars to 'smart' video doorbells,batteries cause fires, recalls. Education serves Dataverse. Social mediand depression. Anti-tech "California memory" (LAT 11-10). Indigenous Action of election. Action reports.

11-10-2020

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Voice of Amazonia woman, Nemonti Nenquimo, (10.12 Guardian) much more profound than Crimethinc.'s "Anarchist Program." NYTM for 11-8 features Joseph Tainter's Collapse of Complex Societies, albeit with weak,wishful thinking conclusion. Metropolis by Ben Wilson surveys urban history, with weak, wishful thinking ending. Pratt's "Output" performance: dances with robot. Distance 'learning' a failure - and a means of surveillance, like 'smart' TV.Antarctic iceberg the size of Delaware on collision with island. Woman hunting large animals in Peru 9,000 years ago challenges gender stereotypes. Murder hornets, Godzilla wasps. Action news.

11-03-2020

[audio] Covid cases soar, weather ever more extreme. Heart attacks up 67% within two days of presidential elections. UK Minister of Defense: mindfulness, breathing techniques for better killing efficiency. Plastics, staple of modernity,fed via baby bottles. Genetic engineering (Crispr) destroys chromosomes. "There's Still Time to Fix the Internet"(The Verge 10/30)(?) Warming: less arctic ice, more methane released. Geo-engineering schemes gain ground,Tidal Basin DC submerging. Resistance news.

10-27-2020

[audio] I am a bad voter. Pandemic, opioid death counts rising. "Conspiracy Theories Are Threatening America" (NYT 10/23). Colorado burning, Siberia melting. 'Smart' cities are wastelands. Another enviro time bomb: abandoned oil tanker off Venezuela. Seabirds leaving Falkland Islands. Nature Matrix by Robert Michael Pyle: idiotic liberal blindness. Stefania Milan on "technosolutionism": excellent. Oak Journal #2!! "It Is Google's World. We Just Live in It." (WSJ 10/21). Resistance news.

10-20-2020

[audio] Psychology of conspiracy 'theory' addicts. Giraffes down to 69,000; freshwater mussel die-off in U.S. Mt. Kilimanjaro burning. Heat gap pushing global inequality.Ad of the Week: IBM Watson, 'AI Sees All.' Phoniness of Sustainable Investing. Chinese high-rise "hotels" for pigs: extreme of domestication in face of epidemics. Movies, TV series about tech taking over everything. Recommended: "Alaska Subsistence: Spirit of the Ancestors" on YouTube, "100 Days Wild" on Dis- covery channel. Action news.

10-13-2020

[audio] Kathan co-hosts.Extreme weather getting more extreme, electoral politics more beside the point. "It is no exaggeration to say that what the next president does - or doesn't do - on climate change will affect the world for millennia" (The New Yorker) (!!!) Scores more communications satellites, service worsens ("The Trash Nebula"). Social media ruins mental health. Barbara Ehrenreich on cave art. Dental school training robots. Action briefs.

10-06-2020

[audio] How do we cope? How do I cope? The catastrophe is upon us.But whales sing in cruise ship-free waters, greyhound racing is ending. Tech failures abound.Deepfakes threaten history, reality. Work Mate Marry Love: Machines Shape Our Human Destiny by Debora Spar. Brain-eating amoeba kill in Houston, toxic giant hogweed ravages central Russia. 40% of plant species face extinction. Matthew Cobb's The Idea of the Brain (always a tech model). Dishonesty of robo-pets. Resistance briefs.

09-29-2020

[audio] JZ books in Catalan. Bruno Latour's Down to Earth on the massive failureof modernity. Liberals retreat to Resilience Coordinating Councils, having caved utterly on the collapsing environment. More shootings, including cops. Ocean heat waves. California, a heavily manufactured place, more subject to the crises. Six times more plastic by 2030. All rivers in England polluted.Indigenous anarchism e.g. K'e infoshop in Window Rock AZ. Resistance news.

09-22-2020

[audio] Warming seas - melting polar ice, severer weather. Skilled butchery of horse 480,000 years ago. Rumor-mongering abounds. Can't Even by Anne Helen Petersen: debilitated millennials. If Then by Jill Lepore: tech is all about prediction (control). 5G: claims and arson-minded opponents. WIRED:"Is the Internet Conscious? How Would We Know?" "Imagine What You Could Do If Technology Pulled Out All the Stops" (Citrix ad of the week). Jason Gay: "Hi. It's Venus. Please Leave Us Alone." New anti-civ zine - Black Moon, from Sweden. Action briefs.

09-15-2020

[audio] The West burns, worst air quality on earth. 'Gotta vote, it's a matter of life or death!' No, it's a matter or death or death. "Once and Future Humans" by JZ. Worse pandemics ahead, as with wildfires. Ad of the Week: GE: "Building a Better World." "When there is decadence, it is the experience of late modernity," Ross Douthat.Suicide rate among the young soars since 2007. Answer? Lithium in the water supply; drug the population for "community mental health." Climate crisis threatens "entire financial system." Wild-life in "catastrophic decline." Resistance reports.

09-08-2020

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Vagaries of conspiracy theory "thinking." David Graeber: progressive, NOT anarchist. Industrial disaster of the week: livestock ship sinks near Japan,6,000 cows. "Augmented reality" depletes reality and the senses; age of cyborgs is here. Portland other cities carry the fight: courage and perseverance. Mass shootings, opioid deaths spike in North America. Rising prevalence of dementia "global emergency." Algorithms removing human agency.Action news.

09-01-2020

[audio] Pandemic realities (e.g. domestication, density). Hurricane Laura lessons (e.g. coastline being financially abandoned). "Sapient paradox" - why so very recent appearance of symbolic culture? IndustrialÂ disaster of the week.Mind-machine obscenities. Poverty of art today. Coastal cities of the world subsiding. Action briefs."

08-25-2020

[audio] Election mire. Facebook ad: "Every Vote is a Voice Heard." Responses to pandemic. A plot to increase govt. power, says Darren Allen."Uncertain Times" by Flack and Mitchell: "an unprecedented opportunity" for tech systems to open a "better future." Alexa can discipline kids. California inferno. Primal Roots music video: "Send in the Clowns." Light pollution reaches ocean depths. "Grading by Algorithms Results in UK Debacle." Resistance news.

08-18-2020

[audio] HOT! World burns but it's OK because we can be virtual! Dependency on grid grows. Industrial disaster of the week: Mauritius tanker. Facebook abandons sea floor equipment, chemicals. On Time and Water: Climate crisis slow motion disaster but moving faster than many think. How Everything Can Collapse by Servigne and Stevens. Contradictionsof "Fairytales of Growth." The Right To Be Greedy. Air pollution pushes covid deaths. Major flames of resistance.

08-11-2020

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Techno-world meets real world of disaster and resistance. Mars mission is "gloriously enthralling" (NYT editorial 8/4)!! Ad of week: "Learn to be CEO of Mars Inc." (Quantic). Alloparenting by robotics; Robots to develop kids' "social skills"; Robot to star in $70 million-dollar sci-fi movie. Hurricane season to boom. Homeless in LA hanging themselves at alarming rate. Touch the Sky film on Ferguson 2014 riots. Action news.

08-04-2020

[audio] Society is contagion. Extreme weather meets pandemic. Let's not pollute Mars! ("Tread Softly," The Economist, 7/25.) "The City is a Lie" by Sam Grinsell. Virtual fans. Stock market on a 4-month high as economy craters. Online zombie? Go to SelfControl app! Teen caused massive Twitter outage, Cloud computing costs spiral. "How Do You Know a Human Wrote This?"--new GPT-3 software. Dying for an iPhone by Jenny Chan et al. 325 #12 new anti-tech collection, indigenous Nasa in Colombiare the Liberation of Mother South, more resistance news.

07-28-2020

[audio] Portland does NOT knuckle under to federal pigs. Aspects of the pandemic. Remote working, like online learning, not a success.Gates and Dr. Fauci push our species becoming GMOs as answer to pandemics. Jibo is robotic response to lack of emotional connecting. Google providing emoji replies to messages. Next financial crisis likely due tech/cloud breakdown. Maine lawns turn black. Soon: more plastic than fish in seas. No More Cities zine new from Vancouver. Joscha Bach, Laylabdel-Rahim, action news.

07-21-2020

[audio] Brave New World streaming: dull because it's already happened. Fed police state tactics in Portland. Major social media hacks and failures. Record heat, floodings. 1.4 million year-old finely crafted bone hand ax found in East Africa. "If Life Feels Bleak, It's Because Civilization Is Beginning to Collapse" by Umair Haque. Ai Weiwei: "When science and reason someday give us the key to everything, that may be the moment we lose everything." Recommended books, good news from Belgrade, resistance news.

07-14-2020

[audio] Kathan co-hosts, in sorrow and anger. Coronavirus and the separation that is the technosphere. Almost 50 consecutive nights of BLM courage in downtown Portland. Alien civs die upon reaching the tech levels required to communicate with us; sounds familiar. Bicycles take over Euro cities; Civante e-bike from Yamaha - "fitness-focused" (!) Together Mode from Microsoft: unlike Zoom all are in the same VR space. Koalas, right whales face extinction, pink snow in Alps. When will anarchism turn definitively against mass society? Action briefs.

07-07-2020

[audio] On the 4th of July fewer than 1/4 of non-whites feel "proud to be American." Virus infections surge in U.S. as new H1N1 epidemic grows in China. BLM movement energy not going away. Insanely warm Arctic and fast-warming Antarctica. Flesh-eating bacteria + worms on 3 conti- nents. Global e-waste sets record, video gaming pushed as Olympic "sport." "Finger on the App" contest called after 70 hours. Mindfulness - Find the Right App. "Utopia of Free Software" (!) Raymond Tallis rips neuroscience hubris. Elephants mysteriously dying in Botswana. Hegel, Ainriail zine, action briefs.

06-30-2020

[audio] Victor Cirone + JZ on Youtube. Apocalyptic weather + "Global Warming Is Melting Our Sense of Time" by David Wallace-Wells. Saharan dust storm hits U.S.; mega-lightning bolts. Goodbye, Segway. Ad of the week: "Science Will Bring Us Back to Normal" (Pharma). "Racism and the Symbolic" by JZ. Gates pushes global surveillance and Biomilq projects. Resistance news, reviews.

06-23-2020

[audio] Destruction of racist, genocidist statuary goes forward. So does the cancer of development e.g. in Australia, Israel, Kansas to cite horrible instances. Sharp drop in Antarctica sea ice. Americans unhappiest in 50 years. "Actual Nihilism" by JZ. Deepak Chopra goes techno, Replika chatbot provides "companionship." Chomsky urges: Vote Biden! Microsoft ad: "Now our customers can unlock ever more critical data insights on the way to digital transformation." GM mosquitos approved for U.S. Resistance news and ILWU phoniness.

06-16-2020

[audio] Seattle's Capitol Hill autonomous Zone in Seattle and other advances - as killings go on. Profile of pig violence in LA. "Worries That the U.S. Is Facing Problems an Election Can't Fix" (NYT, 6/13). By a broken window in Memphis : "Artist Unknown. Civilization Unrest 2020." "Life as Civ Begins to Crumble" by JZ. Robot waiter in the Netherlands. "Reality Check: Artificial Intelligence and its Limits" (The Economist, 6/13). Action briefs

06-09-2020

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Glories of the anti-racism groundswell. Militarization, scapegoating of anarchists nothing new. Spontaneous, leaderless explosion. Protestors may be moving past voting (NYT, June 7). Warmest May in history, highest CO2 levels in history. Massive diesel spill in Arctic Russia, national emergency. Gulf of Mexico 'Dead Zone' grows. Mass killing sprees. Failure of remote learning, more against 5G. Resistance briefs.

06-02-2020

[audio] Racist pig murder of George Floyd sparks nation-wide fury; liberals counsel 'obey the rules'. 80 degrees in Arctic Siberia. November global climate summit in Glasgow put off (O no!). Locust plague now hitting India, a la east Africa. Blood business booming: high prices. "Lockdown Weighs on Poultry Production" - chickens as products. "Why Does Zoom Exhaust You?" The Internet of Medical Everything will bring "brighter, more promising future." Action briefs.

05-26-2020

[audio] Jared Diamond on epidemics; Rx?: 'more of the same'(!) Wonderful Werner Herzog interview. "Death and the Zeitgeist" by JZ. Weather extremes & predictions. Shootings resume. Artificial eye, robot sheepdog. Online child abuse surges, email medical reminders 100% ineffective. Action reports (e.g. cell phone towers ablaze).

05-19-2020

[audio] Industrial-scale density = pandemic toll. "Covid-19 Could Reverse Decades of Global Progress' (!) "The New Secret to Success? No expectations," Jason Gay. 18-ton space junk falls. Seair full of microplastics not just sea. 5G, pushed for more than 3 decades, subject to more attacks/arsons, say feds. Desire for more tools, candle-making, etc. "I think our soul craves a simpler life." Online education failing, how about life skills. "Hunter-gatherers cannot domesticate anything, it's against their world view, which is based on equality and trust. Once that ideology changes, the entire structure of so- ciety is transformed and a new world is born." A new world of death is born.

05-12-2020

[audio] Zoom fatigue; social media detox needed. MORE liberal whining over Planet of the Humans. Climate change pushing pandemics. Greater CO2 rise despite pandemic shutdowns. Elon Musk's son named X AE A-12: hello cyborg techno-fascism. Extremes of global temperatures arriving sooner than expected. Robotic graduation ceremony in Tokyo. End of Black Mirror: "Life is the Black Mirror," says show's creator. 5G tower attacks not abating. Google drops Toronto high-tech neighborhood plan. Action briefs (e.g. wild elk destroy "Danger: Wild Elk" sign.).

05-05-2020

[audio] Is the pandemic "fake" (at base about social control)? More on 5G. Ad of the week: "Are We Doing Our Best for Future Generations?" (UBS). VR still doesn't deliver. More on Planet of Humans vs. green liberals skewered and angry. "Ancestor Dreams" by David Yearsley, Losing Eden: Why Our Minds Need the Wild by Lucy Jones, Little Eyes by Samantha Schweblin. "Alexa, Help Me Meditate." Hackable humans; Party Royale game "a true social space." (Yes, a GAME). Politics and action briefs.

04-28-2020

[audio] Penguins on Cape Town streets. Turkish anarchists + Collapse Chronicles turn to primitivism. Oak #1 - get it! Wildfires soon and April's 1st ever tropical depression. Rising carbon dioxide levels make us stupider. Mass shootings spread from US. You Will Never Be Forgotten by Mary South (digital toll on women). Terra Nullius by aboriginal woman Claire G. Coleman. Planet of the Humans by Jeff Gibbs. Arctic ice, global insects lose out. Virtual babysitting. Action news.

04-21-2020

[audio] Mutual aid projects flourishing, wildlife re-emerging. "Wild Ideas" (NYTM 4/19): animals point to a better world, which we are desperate to see..Only 9% of Britons want return to "normal" life; want the cleaner air, sense of community, etc. to continue. 5G is not safe, cellphone tower arsons spreading across Europe. Global drought worst sine 1200. Sudden collapse of ecosystems likely. Fantasy video games, magic feed denial. But revival of human voice (phone calls). Industrial disas- ters, excesses go on. Samsung adds hand-washing app to smartwatches for those too dumb to know how to wash hands. Resistance news.

04-14-2020

[audio] Don't shake hands ever again," Dr. Fauci. More on anti-5G arsons - will censorship follow? Edward Snowden: Coronavirus surveillance sets up "the architecture of oppression." Great Barrier Reef battered, mega-plague of locusts in E. Africa. Beyond the Dark Horizon, another new anti-civ zine. Dying virus patient: "Alexa, Help me." AI claims, promises. "Our trashed and overheated world is a slower pandemic," Timothy Egan. Facebook offers "Tuned" - an app for couples to talk to each other

04-07-2020

[audio] Aspects of the pandemic, aspects of denial. Continuities with pre-pandemic life. WIRED: we will triumph "through brilliant science and research, and through social cohesion." (!!!) "The land is the biggest health-care system." Wildlife, clean air re- turn for now, not emotional health as suicide hotlines are busy. Online 'life' is weak, thin. Ad of the week: Samsung - " television that will change your life." "Out with the New" by JZ. Action reports e.g. UK cell phone towers torched in anti-5G attacks.

03-31-2020

[audio] Is it Time to Postpone the 2020 Climate Summit?" (!!!) Warmest winter. Motorized leg exoskeleton--no unpleasant running effort! Anti-plastics efforts indonesia: cups, bags, etc. from seaweed, cassava, sugar cane fiber. Dr. Thomas Cowan: modern epidemics set off by tech developments (e.g. 5G). Bob Dylan's "Murder Most Foul." "Withdrawal--and Re-Entry?" by JZ in new Fifth Estate. Ad of the week: the Veil-intelligent toilet from Kohler.

03-24-2020

[audio] Who couldn't see the pandemic coming? Time for a REAL anti-globalization movement. Online 'life' advance gravely while "A Wave of Viral Anxiety Washes Over the Internet" (NYT 3/21). '. "Machine Psychology" by JZ. 'Plague dread' meets terror of climate apocalypse. Will this even greater separation, isolation remain the norm? Action reports.

03-17-2020

[audio] Conference call with Malik Rahim, Jamie, Kathan on the coronavirus pandemic and what it telling us. Plus shootings, ad of the week (Lexus: hi-tech steering wheel for your soul), "AIs an Ideology, not a Technology (WIRED), "4 Reasons Civ. Won't Decline: It Will Collapse" (CounterPunch). Resistance news.

03-10-2020

[audio] "Primitivism" seminar at U of O today. "Unabomber: In His Own Words" now available. Coronavirus - more tech distancing. "Also A Spiritual Movement"by JZ. "Dying of Despair in America." Apocalypse Chic fashions. Robot hand can "sweat." Ad of the Week: Huawei - Connectivity Makes Modern Life Possible." Action news.

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Speaker 7: Darryl Grant for your listening pleasure. Yes, this March 10th edition of Anarchy Radio Carl and myself here. Canton will be joining us to get behind the microphone next week the 17th. And I wanted to throw this out. Finally, the. This Netflix thing is out, change the title once again. This this documentary Unabomber, in his own words. Of course, the hook is that given the tapes. This the first time the public will get to hear Ted Kaczynski's own voice. The backbone of it is the long interview that. Teresa kentz Head with. With Kaczynski, shortly after he went away to the federal joint, the Max joint in Colorado. And people were saying, oh, this you're touting this like crazy because you had a small part in it and. To raises you for. I'm not touting it. I haven't even seen it and. I don't believe that well, Theresand I both tried to get ideas in there. We didn't succeed very much. So It’s mostly a procedural. I understand it's mostly about the family, his brother and so on. I think there's a little bit in there that's has to do with. The anti authoritarian scene and. And the anti tech ideas of course. Yeah, we'll see. It's a four hour deal, four parts, and now it's available pretty much. Well, I just came from a great seminar called Primitivism Professor Joyce Chang. Just this afternoon here at EU of O and very stimulating. Really enjoyed it. I was invited to meet. The last session. This week ten of winter. Term and then we. Then we adjourned afterwards to Rennies to drink beer and for further conversation. Very good, very open I. I think the thing was. I enjoyed it a lot and got to. Interact with the people there it's I think, essentially a graduate seminar, and in a small way it's another aspect of the. I would say growing interest in the anti civilization ideas. This used to be called green anarchy and. And our Co primitivism that's just primitivism. That's that's about what it's mainly called. Also, primal Anarchy and an Academy. It's I think it's often referred to as civilization critique, but. Yeah, enjoyed that it was. Glad to have the chance to get together with these folks. Short months. Well, let's see what do we got here? Oh, I wanted to mention, I forgot to show this. I'm just going to do a little show until Sunday. New York Times big article fleeing Babylon for a wildlife. Some people wary of civilizations prospects are preparing for a one way trip to the Stone Age. And this about mainly about links. Building in Washington state. Learning earth skills, primitive skills, and the philosophy behind it. It's so it's a decent pace. It's going to give them. A lot of room. Lot of good photos. More more of that idea of interest. Is this one last civilization? Shows its colors, ruining everything. Gotta say something about the coronavirus. It's all you hear about. Yeah, various things. You know one one thing and by no means don't get me wrong. That I'm not suggesting any conspiracy theory here, but the impact and we'll see. It some of this going to be a lasting impact I'm afraid, and that is things at a distance. Now there'll be more and already are more people, more students. Having to be online rather than be with others, more of that rapidly. That's rapidly happening in a lot of schools, especially on the West Coast. I think, and telemedicine. Part of the How life has gone. Into cyberspace and. You know it's not direct life. It's not direct experience. And that's I'm afraid, good deal with that is not only being pushed, but it's going to. It's going to last after this over, probably to some degree anyway. Well, along the lines of this. This piece primitive skills. People preparing to live outside of it wanting to live outside of the civilization. Just wanted to mention this from the. Current economist. This week's edition. This a little an odd. Part of it I guess I'm talking about is the Southeast England preppers. Little piece is called Apocalypse soon. And they call they call this disaster hobbyists. It's a survival group, and so we're seeing this emerging too, and probably not in not only in England. Yeah there. They think they're going to live in the. Woods and well. They were, thisn't. I don't know that much about this group at all. Nothing actually aside from the article. But,. It this could be I don't know. Some of this seems valid, and they're not. They're not trying to get people to panic and. And run out there unprepared. You know they're people are going to get sick if they if they don't have any preparation and. They just have this idea. Yeah, they're trying to instruct people on how to how to do stuff, if they're. If they do go out there. I don't, I don't. Know much about the politics except. It's code survivalist. In other words, I don't think this quote primitivist. Thing, but there'll be all sorts of versions. I think all sorts of. Brands if you will. People are getting nervous. And it's this whole coronavirus deal is just a rehearsal. It's a. It's a reminder. Of how fast things could get crazy. We don't know how crazy it's going to get. We don't know how. Hard hitting it is. Of course there are. There are the usual answers, for example. Do not touch yourface.com is a website that watches your computer and yells at you when you touch your face. You know, of course, yeah. Well, it's technology that. Comes to the rescue. It's made by the creator of delete yourself, Mike Bodge. And two other characters. Yeah, that's enough on that. This has enough, and this reminded me of post Seattle 20 years ago after. After the fun up in Seattle at the WTO summit. And how? Young women black blockers were immediately. I think it was vogue. I think it was vogue that got a hold of them. They wanted to do a whole fashion thing. How do we get the black block to sell, just market this look. Of course, I think none of them had anything to do with it. That's just to. You know, that's the thing. The rapid fashion shifts and how they can. Market things and make money no matter what it is. So now this last Thursdays New York Times Apocalypse. Sheik arrives in Paris. Yeah, well. People are up against it, and they're reacting to this particular epidemic. And so you got this line of clothes. Yeah, it looks like. I don't know urban refugees, you might say,. We're wearing trashed clothes, but after all. It's the apocalypse for this week's apocalypse, anyway. Yeah, put me in mind of the I think it was vogue that wanted to. Get thelp of. And it gets women and it gets black blockers after Seattle. Oh my God. Yeah, there's a. There's along these lines. The smartphone will see you now. A COVID-19 epidemic has brought millions of new patients online. They are likely to stay there. Yeah, they see this already. As a. Surviving this particular epidemic. Boy, the epidemics just keep coming one after another all over this late civilization and. Each one and one SARS. All over the place. Not to mention Zika. Ebola, mostly in other places, but now it's like a cascade of. What you get in an unhealthy world, getting more beleaguered and stressed out? Thisn't going away until this whole lousy dominant order goes away. I'm afraid. Along the lines of these shootings not going away, in fact, spreading. It's not just an American thing. Anyway, BBC last Thursday reports that this winter was Europe's warmest on record, hard on reindeer in northern Sweden. And winter sports events in Sweden and Russia have required imported snow. And City Lab tells us that the. The continents coastline Europe's coastline. The sea is encroaching. And this. You know you name it from Ireland all around the place, Portugal. And seeing these eroding coasts Northern Wales, France of is it places having to relocate. Part of the whatever community it is. Started out with the reference to the Trump Doonbeg golf course. On islands West Coast. Oceans getting closer to the private bar overlooking. The 18th hole. Yeah, it's coming in about a meter of each each year. Yeah, that'll be swallowed up soon, I hope. Almost 90% of dolphins in the Indian Ocean have been wiped out by industrial fishing since 1980. Yeah, that's the size of it. Thank you RC, for this. The widespread use of huge gillnets. Factory fishing And my not being this to mention the shooting well just mentioned one of them. Four dead in South Reno suburb. A woman killed her husband their two kids. Yeah, it looked like a nice house, no known motive in the killings. There's all kinds of other shootings too, and Needless to say, gang shootings and so on. Religious fanaticism killings on offer in lots of places but. And what gets me the most is just no, no, no motive. Or very little motive. Things that wouldn't motivate people not so long ago you got to beef at work or whatever it is or normal would have. This family slaughter in this case and. It goes on and on. Moron in Sectomy garden Armageddon. Insect Armageddon. Yeah there I got it right. Yeah, they they continue to. Fill in that whole story. And sex are despairing largely because they are. Starving to death. There's a big long long list of species and so forth. Going hungry because there are no insects. So yeah, tied together there. Yeah, the disappearance is set in motion. It's a pretty basic level. Here's an interest. This a little bit of anthropology corner here. From Science News March 4th. This a study University of Connecticut. Study this pre colonial eastern North America. What happens from the beginnings of domestication and growth of agriculture led to unprecedented corporation and. Societies here, but also found a big spike in violence. Well, that's the nature of the deal really. The cooperation input at first, but domestication, which is basically the controlling those. The competition sits in the. Population as it always does with domestication jumps up hugely. And there you've got to start of. Violence, organized violence wars. Thank you Cliff. And I think I'm going to read this off. Promised piece on spirituality. Where that could be? Yeah, where where could it be? Yeah, I think. We may go past the break a little bit. It's not that it's very long and It’s sort of simplified because. It isn't very long, but anyway it's called also a spiritual movement. And a talk I gave in Turkey some years ago. Young woman said that the green anarchy phenomenon is a basis. Spiritual movement extremely intrigued and surprised by her gentleman. I wanted to hear more. She had to catch a bus for home, so this was not to me. But this view has resonated with me ever since, and I'm certainly not alone. Quote I think green anarchism is unique in that it finds importance in seeking out some form of spiritual connection was anonymous recent comment. A commonly made point. Arguably green anarchy slash anti civilization slash anarcho primitives perspectives more than seek out quote some form of spiritual connection. They pretty much are that connection. Sometimes referred to as primal anarchy, it isn't my opinion in its depth and the depths of depth of its yearning for an altogether different world that its basics are revealed. Basically, I think that are rightfully termed spiritual. To me, the primary aspects include wholeness, which means many other things as much as distance from. Distance of a division of Labor as possible. Presence or immediacy. Unmediated life relate to wholeness. Also, simplicity again related to the other values. Intimacy with nature can be countered as spiritual, I would say. Also wildness the freedom of that which is most alive. So much that is there embedded in the world beneath all that has been put upon it. What's still presented to us? In no need of representation ergibt. The world gives itself in Heidegger's words. For many of us it is the indigenous dimension, past and present. That informs and inspires of a real link to all we have left. The idea of wholeness and connection. Is often called spirit by native people. The association with breath and life is a little mark of spirit. Excuse me Found in. Many times in places spiritual sites were of course wild. For many of us it is. No, excuse me, indigenous spiritual practices are land based. As Gonzales and Nelson point out. Land is everything to Native American peoples for several reasons. This an earth grounded spirituality that does not lose connection to the land has a bond with all life on the land. For example. For the Upid society included both humand non human members. The sense of oneness. Kinship that is deeply spiritual and in which private ownership of the Earth has no place. We know what put an end to that reality and what has been the result. Jacquemont referred to the end of the ancient covenant between mand nature, living nothing in its place of that precious bond, but anxious quest and a frozen universe of solitude. Blamed or concluded that only human beings have come to the point where they no longer why they exist. They have forgotten the secret knowledge of their bodies, their senses, their dreams. Communion with the world was lost, and so very much with it. Many have understood this and have tried in various ways to find the spiritual within the barren cultures of civilization. Ralph Waldo Emerson Thoreau's friend was a pantheist transcendentalist who grasped the truth of his spirit infused nature. Gary Snyder Snyder's the practice of the wild. Summed up his Buddhist reverence for the for undomesticated land. In Daoism, an alternative to state oriented Confucianism. Many green anarchists have found anti authoritarian sources. A clear spiritual political crossover. Reclaiming the doubts. 18 for anarchy. Green anarchy 17. Spring 2004 and reclaiming Jiangsu for anarchy. Green anarchy 18 Summer 2004 exemplified this primitivist connection. To the dough. Zen Buddhism emphasizes being mindful in the world at every moment, not fleeing into abstraction or the supernatural ecology first formulated by oneness in 19. 73 articulates the spiritual vision of nature, but in my opinion it remains too abstract to be either very. Spiritual or political? There are a host of nons to a spiritual political orientation, but many of them, such as sustainable spirituality and Green Buddhism, seem faddish and lacking in substance. Spiritual tourism speaks the popularity of some forms of spirituality. Which can be flexible and thin, lacking a cultural context. And a religion. Into the categories of the sacred, the supernatural. Upon our separation from the natural world, that impulse arises to regain or even surpass that previous connection. The world religion derives from the Latin Religare to retie. To heal the broken bond, religion arises through, need the desire to reestablish what was lost. So often as it approached, it is approached by a common but entirely false assumption. Religion is verily a universal feature of human culture, pronounced Robert Lowie. Quote No society known to anthropology or history is devoid of what reasonable observers would agree as religion, say with Roy Rappaport. It is something that we have always done, according to historian of religion, Karen Armstrong. Always done unless one takes into account about 99% of our time as a species. Religion is absent among our non domesticated hunter gatherer. Forebears society was not divided into sacred and secular parts until resident relatively recently less than 10,000 years ago. Religion has greased the wheels of civilization making palatable. Or at least. Softening the blow of the hard labor involved in the shift to domestication. Slash agriculture. In fact, religion became a defining factor of the world's major religions. How is ordered to be kept? As the individuals diminished in civilization, religion advanced advances inverse proportion. From no gods to multiple gods to the one supreme being God of monotheism and Judaism, Christianity and Islam. In his creation of the sacred, older Burkhart adds that quote religion is generally accepted as a system of rank, implying dependent subordination and submission to unseen superiors. Nicholas Wade asserts that quote in marriage and reproductive practices in enforcing standards of morality and political movements and generating the bonds of trust essential for commerce and in warfare. Religion continues to play many of its ancient roles as effectively as ever. Richard Rorty goes so far as to conclude, I think, that if the churches gave up the attempt to dictate sexual behavior, they would lose a lot of their reason for existence. But the domination factor police role of religion is of course hardly the whole picture religion consoles. Belief in the teachings of religion served to answer basic hunting question. Is that all there is? Is one way to put it. Peggy Lee's 1969 swan song. We are strangers in the world. We no longer belong. We question the growing emptiness and long for sustenance. Within civilization, religion has played a crucial role in ensuring society's survival. But it is civilization that has made us dependent, Worshipful in need of consolation. Only a politics that aims at a reconnection with the earth with the holistic actuality of nature will address the spiritual hunger. The need for religion. Wholeness, immediacy, simplicity are not on offer with civilization. Victoria Hegner and Peter Jan Marguerie wrote of Spiritualizing the city. And David Lodge and Christopher Hamlin proposed ecology and religion for a post natural world and their religion and the new ecology. Both horribly missing the point. Meanwhile, millions seem to have found a spiritual meaning in the iconic poster enhanced photograph of the earth taken by astronauts from beyond the Moon. A shot only made possible by a massive industrial foundation. The progressive ruin of the planet. The spiritual certainly lies elsewhere. All right, thank you. I think we have some Robbie Shargel for the break. Good old Robbie.

Speaker 8: Ithala kiyan ithala kiyan. Tainu Vekh ke tainu ethe ke Aaja na jaan Mein chupa hiranda. Duro Vekta Tuchina, kinda si. Vainu chalega puthar Teri Jab de Mera Sabar patani. Sir Tenu ajattara nahi. Suspen mujhe patar. Sonu Ke Meri Sonu Ke meri. Fuji si machaya. Spice mera Siva. Theko Kulaba udina, tika. Fengjie Patan nahi. Sustain weje patan. Jali jali Bolasie Chamakh Japan tucupita Jateng kuje patani Jateng tujhe Pata nahi. Tum Karti Mainu Pyar Kainu Chalega, Puthar main polya.

UNKNOWN: Thank you.

Speaker 8: Tu Ko Meri yaad boliya. Teri Jetbike Mera samaj. Roro homens besar I'll bring it.

Speaker 7: All right, and. Last week I referred to a book called the end of forgetting Lisa Icorn. How you can't get away if it's. If you go online, it'll be there somewhere eternally well, this week's. Eugene weakley. It was a very strong piece about a person who's now a student, but she was. Lied to and then coerced into sex trafficking. And that's underlines. The point of that book, she says. She was trying to get rid of take take the videos from the sex trafficking. Videos that were made take them off the Internet and she found pretty quickly was impossible. So there it is to. Follow you around. Well, the old. Now there are virtual reality games that are really climbing the. The ladder of. I don't know if you'd call it effectiveness, but being better at simulating things. And in the. New York Times magazine. This past week weekend. There’s a big article about 1:00 called Death Stranding. From hideo And this really something it's now, experience recedes even further and it's replaced by. They manufactured experience and I guess this really something they level. To which this. Happening or achieving? Deaths, drowning deaths, drowning excuse me. Pretty big deal these days, sadly enough. Well, here's the end of the week. Speaking of techno from Huawei. The most giant phone maker telecommunications company. From China, of course it is in the bad. Offices of the government. the US government this time, and anyway, they're still around. They're still going strong in the ad reads. What connects us is stronger than what divides us. Connectivity makes modern life possible. Yeah, that's the connectivity exactly that makes modern life possible, which is not connection, which is really more isolation. More synthetic. Connection that shows this. To people online. With their Hawaii machine. Yeah, it's connects us. It's stronger than what divides us. Never mind, that's the opposite of the truth is. Pretty clearly they're well, devs is they're rolling out an 8 episode series on FX. With this TV deal, and I don't know, it seems like. Silicon Valley is the big enemy. The big the big nasty. I don't know if it goes deeper than that. We'll find out. There's been a lot of publicity about it. The dependency and the bad. All over the place there's a. There's a piece today a piece story about the crash. In Ethiopia this March. Well, exactly a year ago, March 10th. Ethiopian Airlines The system, this the operating system called MCAST, overwhelmed the pilot's attempt to control the plane. Now you have it in a nutshell. It went straight down, killed everyone, Needless to say. Being powerless at the hands of the machine. All those things well, but VH tapes are back. Have you heard about? That what could that mean? I mean, I know about vinyl.

Speaker 5: Yeah VHS huh?

Speaker 7: Yeah, and I don't. Know what you do with the tapes. Or how they're being used, or I don't know. You haven't heard about that.

Speaker 5: I mean, I know some people use them as like because they have a certain look, decayed.

Speaker 7: Oh correctly or something.

Speaker 5: There's a. There's a filter one of the apple. Video apps that makes it look like. A decaying Videotape that UPS the contrast and adds a little distortion at the bottom of the screen so it looks like an old tape.

Speaker 7: What do ? I don't know how much.

Speaker 5: It's an aesthetic choice.

Speaker 7: Yeah, well, some people are buying it. I don't think this piece that no, I don't even know where it came from, but it was lacking in the details like who's who's wanting it and why it's. I don't know, but maybe technology can go backward after all.

Speaker 5: Video art people.

Speaker 7: Oh yeah, aesthetics hyeah. Well, here's a breakthrough. Been waiting for now. There's a robotic hand which sweats. Yeah, to cool itself down and there's even a video about it, but. This part of the problem with robotics you have to regulate theat. The temperature that's generated. Humans break into a sweat and now. Yeah, this secretes water on its onto its cold skin when it gets too warm and then it evaporates of course. That's the way sweat works. I'm sure this just going to open up every every wonderful thing. Oh well, let's just go on into. Some action Jackson is here of all kinds. This was. Oh Athens, of course yeah. This the Exarchia, the Polytechnic University is adjacent to Exarchia Square. In that neighborhood apparently have bit of a string of events. Concatenated took place here starting. Monday, February 24th. Apparently cops were hassling a street vendor and some anarchist students got into the mix and then it turned into a whole big deal. There was a protest on the 25th and by the 27th the university was occupied. They still have certain status that pigs are not allowed. On campus. That's not always honored, I know, but anyway, that's been going on and. A takeover by students. On the night of March 4th, several luxury cars were torched. In the Mercedes garage this in. Zurich because Mercedes is the supplier of the Turkish armed forces which attacked Rojava. Yeah, they shouldn't. Companies that directly, logistically and indirectly financially support this fascist war should not be surprised if their products catch fire all over the world. And in the late hours of Thursday, March 5th. We shut down the Greensboro Raleigh railroad line used by both Norfolk Southern and Amtrak. In solidarity with the whistle at the end, First Nations, people and their struggle against. The coastal Gas Link pipeline, which threatens their land. This action was done easily and safely in a remote area. By connecting a thick copper wire from one rail to the other, signaling that the line was blocked. No workers or commuters are put at risk by this simple tactic. Yeah, that's been used. With the to effect in Canada, well, I think probably lots of places. It's pretty darn safe. They don't have to be too. Handy with things to do that. Let's see March 6th March and run along Congresses have occupied. The Bulgarian Parliament they've They've had a tent camp outside. The Bulgarian Council ministers and they have barricaded themselves. In the Government Health Commission. Building there. Sunday was International Women's Day. There were demos all over the world. There were major clashes in Istanbul, the Istiklal district and in Latin America. Ten women are killed every day in Mexico and people are rising up against that. On Monday, this a pretty good piece actually. Monday the 9th New York Times the fight grows bloodier over indigenous lands. There have been 200 confrontations. Has to deal with indigenous communities. Have begun to clear ancestral lands. They're trying to get back. Their lands, and It’s yeah, it's gotten quite violent. 60 Indigenous people have been killed. I don't know if there are any. Any farmers? We speak for the land for the forest and to silence us. They kill us. Said one indigenous person that is the only way to shut us up. That battle certainly goes on. Quite a number of revolts. In Italian prisons, in the north of Italy they have really clamped down. They've cordoned off a lot of stuff and People in prisons. They're trapped facing the virus. They are receiving no no visits. So they've there have been uprisings there. They're certainly afraid of being. The victims of the virus. Caught there. And here's a pretty cool piece at good old, wonderfully reliable 325. No state. 325 No state really deserves a lot of credit. They've just hung in there over the years anyway, they report. A pretty nice piece of having to do with theory and practice of disabling police vehicles. They point out that the police really are dependent on their vehicles. And so they're talking about different things from. They feel like the optimum is to set them on fire, but it's also very easy to just puncture their tires and the simple ways to do that without. Without hurting yourself, check it out. March 10th 325 no state. Rather excellent stuff. Well, thank you for this, Jim, there's a. There is a rare buckweat strand. That is, in Nevada's pine desert. And there's an Australian company that wants to mine lithium. You know there's a greater effort to grab these rare earths and. That are needed for all sorts of E devices. E phones, electric vehicles and all that stuff. This a big open pit, mine projected and. This it's called teams buckweed teams. Look, we, it's a. It's a species that exists nowhere else in the world, so there's a battle to defend that against this great big mining thing. This. Trying to happen there. Well, Gee, if I. If I run out of gas rose. Said I don't know, maybe I have. You know what we didn't didn't. I didn't say it anyway. It's 5413460645. You can jump on in. Give us a ring. Thoughts about the virus? The politics of that. All the sort of side effects. Well, back to some health news. Yeah, this not. This was already come out in the last month or in the past week or so anyway. The World Health Organization is targeting obesity. It's a global deal, four in 10 American adults are obese it world Obesity Day was two days ago, March 4th. And they're predicting more and more. Adult obesities obesity cases worldwide and it just has it. Of course, a very negative. Impact on people's health. Around 200 countries have pledged to significantly cut their obesity levels by 2025. But research by the WTO folks suggest they have less than a 10% chance of doing so. It's always great to announce these targets. We're going to, reduce emissions or and none of it ever happens. It’s just geared not to happen. Oh boy. Let's see, this was March 5th in the New York Times. This a. Gallup study roughly. This a big surprise. Roughly 2/3 of full time workers experience burnout on the job. 2/3 according to a 2018 Gallup study. This about US workers. And that's become a sad. Constant thing the not only the term deaths of despair, but more and more on that. The deepening problem. Working class life in America. And it's especially bad in the US. It has to do with middle-aged whites primarily. And how fast they're dying? The death rate is really something. And yesterday in the news. It's called seeds of despair. Former suicide deaths. Or very very alarming. It's a USA TODAY story basically, but drawing on quite a lot of information. Well the small farm. I mean, that's just, they're just gobbled up. I used to I used to work in the fields as a kid and there were lots of small farms in this valley, Willamette Valley and. They were all bought up by Birds Eye. And so forth. And the ones that survived. Well, they didn't survive economically. It's just, economics of scale. And want to drive all these points into the ground here, but the suicide rates. Among all races of millennials and zoomers. Is still growing. Yeah, along with the police, killings and all these other things. Opioid epidemic and some of that. Some of those OD's are suicides. But. It's grim stuff to try to sort it out. Yeah, on the rise among young Americans of all races. This just a March 5th finding. Center for Disease Control. It's increased by 56%. That's huge. Over just 10 years, the past 10 years. How fast that's gaining ground. How fast people are losing ground? Yeah, this piece on rural suicides. It's really. Amazing, these people are up against it. They focused on a. Small farming town in Georgia. Southern Georgia or excuse me in Ohio. Southern Ohio. It's nothing new, but it's just got much more extreme. And as everything else fails to work. One of the most high tech to your basic industrial stuff. This was in the news last Wednesday. Yeah, March 4th. So it is. Toyota is recalling 1.2 million vehicles. Of all kinds fuel pump failures. I don't think there's a week that goes by. That's just a I mean, it's just a commonplace, and maybe I should stop mentioning about a. That's telling. The failure of things from one side to another so. It's certainly time to. Step up to the plate, see what we can do. Yeah, that's going to be it, and we'll have. Catherine here. Behind a microphone. Yeah girl says yes indeed. So that's going to be great and stuff on down the trail. I don't have it. Partly because they had such a good time with the seminar. Joining those folks here. On campus to talk about primitivism have a great next rest of your week. Join us again, please.

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UNKNOWN: Let's go.

Speaker 4: Kwva, Eugene

03-03-2020

[audio] Global air pollution pandemic worse than coronavirus. Election follies. Fires, already? Children, scientists find eco-grief. "Video Days" - chilling NYT story of e-emptiness. Action news. Lo-Tek: Design of Radical Indigenism by Julia Watson: indigenous approaches for living. 4 horses dead at Santanita in one day.

02-25-2020

[audio] One call. Goin' strong in Canada! + other resistance news. Latest civilization epidemic. Kate Eichorn's The End of Forgetting. Colin Koopman's How We Be- came Data punks out. Seas reclaim steadily more, "Solar Farms Are Taking Over the World." Social network with no people. "Don't Want Siri to Listen?" - Get the "bracelet of silence." Robots promised to "feel" before long.

02-18-2020

[audio] Kathan co-hosted. Even more erratic weather. IRL vs. cyber"life." Stampedes and pile-ups - mass society. Brian Babbs wrongful death trial (vs. Eugene Pig Dept.). Death of Aragorn! Ads of the week (ARAMCO, Lexus). In 50 years 1/3 of all plant and animal species extinct. Resistance briefs, 3 calls.

02-11-2020

[audio] Mad weather, mass shootings spread globally. Pop music reflects the misery. Facial recognition the move. "The Civilizing Sermon," by Peter Harrison. Climate change predictions suddenly switch to catastrophic. Antarctica warmer than San Diego Feb. 6. Tons more satellites, much more light pollution. "The Age of Decadence." Pan-Canada pro-indigenous resistance! Oak Journal. Action briefs, one call.

02-04-2020

[audio] Iowa caucus tech fiasco. Superb Owl as Miami sinks. Mass bus shooting, mass video arcade shooting join school shootings, workplace shootings etc etc. "One Nation, Tracked" You're Not Listening: What You're Missing and Why It Matters by Kate Murphy. Boffo ending to Civilization Heresies by Mark Seely. Seven S. on 'We know too much to go back' - what we know is slight, useless when Civ ends. Tech dependance ever greater. Action briefs.

01-28-2020

[audio] Epidemic coronavirus, ODs, mass shootings. "Darkness Where the Future Should Be," "How We Lost Faith in Everything." Student homelessness up 70% 2008-2016. "Divided Life" by JZ. Rewilding conference with Peter Bauer. Action reports, two calls.

01-14-2020

[audio] "Joker" and Houellebecq novels resonate. Why? Australian cataclysm, again. "My Problem with Adorno" by JZ. Peak Water. Shootings, again. Boeing/ car recalls fiasco. Ads of the week. Hideous new high tech wonders: Neon's "artificial human"; "living" robot made from frog stem cells. Compostable smartphone case! Action news, one call.

01-07-2020

[audio] War scare. Oz still ablaze. "Can't Go Back' by JZ. Virtual physical education, e-rosary. The Longing for Less by Kyle Chayka. "Man Bytes Dog" by James Gorman. Why Nihilism? (Warzone Distro). "How Our Phones Became Our Whole Lives in Just 10 Years."

2019

12-31-2019

[audio] Elijah co-hosts. Tim Ream/ Tom Hayden: partners in pacification. Decade of Distrust, Decade of Disillusion. Home in America: On Loss and Retrieval by Thomas Dumm. "It's Not Capitalism that's Driving Ecocide; it's Civilization" by Kollibri Terre Sonnenblume at CounterPunch(!) No more birds, more on suicide. Synthesizin

12-24-2019

[audio] Elijah co-hosts. Way crazy ads-of-the-week (Xfinity, Hyundai, Michelob). "This Decade of Disillusion," new heights of obesity in the technosphere. Always climbing homelessness. Phantom Phone Syndrome. Say It Ain't So Dept: Greta Thunberg pushes "Fourth Industrial Revolution" madness. Action news. "Would You Let a Robot Take Care of Your Mom?" Ocean floor mining to push industrialism to the max.

12-17-2019

[audio] Drop-out communities threaten democracy(?), "The Hottest August" review. Climate summit absurdities. Mediterranean Sea Is Dying. Civ as epidemic: "a gradually accelerating self-annihilation." The contemptible dishonesty of Chris Hedges and Sherry Turkle. Jane Austen fans as the "avant-garde of digital culture."(!) Resistance news. Coding Campouts for kids.

12-10-2019

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. On the rising tide of shootings. Extreme weather and global food crisis. Coyote with rat in mouth on SF street. Hunter-Gatherers: What We Can Learn from Them by Alan Barnard. Bhopal disaster 35 years ago: still happening in this industrial world. Arabs are losing faith in religion and religious parties. Action news.

12-03-2019

[audio] Americans are dying much sooner. K-pop moronism and death. Discussion of Joker with rotn. Air pollution horrors, new Fifth Estate. The Imperiled Oceans by Laura Trethewey. Madrid climate summit farce. Action news, one call. Last 10 minutes cut off by sports broadcast.

11-26-2019

[audio] Exposing the scumbag Tim Ream. Word of the Year, Oxford Dictionary: "climate emergency." Steven S's Paths from Modernity. Moon of the Crusted Snow by Waubgeshig Rice. Call about the Agta hunter-gatherers in The Phlilippines, tech madness in China. "Gone to Croatan" by JZ. New anti-civ annual, Blackbird. One call, resistance briefs.

11-19-2019

[audio] Rash of shootings. "How to Talk to Kids of Shootings." Steve on Oak Journal. Serotonin by Michel Houllebecq, Erosion by Terry Tempest Williams. Comic book movies: "self imposed state of emotional arrest." "The End of Babies...Has Modern Life Become an Obstacle to Reproduction?" Superbugs: more of a threat than thought. Global resistance briefs, one call.

11-05-2019

[audio] New Delhi air: "apocalyptic." Gulf of Oman dead zone, the size of Florida. CA wildfire analysis. "Resilience work" - not resistance. New low points for Chomsky, Jensen. "World's First Poop Database Needs your Help." More eat alone. "Cali- fornia Is Becoming Unlivable." Global protests, action briefs.

11-12-2019

[audio] Crazed global weather. "Burning in Dystopian Civilization" - California is our future. "Please Touch Me." Intimacy down, suicides up. Insane tech answer to racehorse deaths. "Self-partnered" to replace "single"? A la' marry yourself? Techno "health" care. "Smart" cities - more and more surveillance. Two (Canadian) calls. Kathan co-hosts.

11-05-2019

10-29-2019

[audio] California inferno. Oak Journal in process. "Ritual" by JZ. Air pollution worsens. 2/3 of world's industrial emissions from 90 companies. 51% of American diet is ultra-processed food. Russian soldier shoots ten. Data-fy your baby: learn nothing. Internet 50 today...new emojis - how far we've come! Action news, including deer kills deer hunter. One call.

10-22-2019

[audio] Seattle Anarchist Book Fair comin' up. The News Shall Keep Us stupid. "Why You Never See Your Friends Anymore" - work. Religiosity on the wane but not suicide rates. Pope's first wearable is a $110 rosary. Over-heating Qatar now uses ac outdoors. Neanderthals in the Aegean 200,000 years ago. Ads of the week (Samsung and Splunk). Global resistance!

10-15-2019

[audio] War on the Kurdish experiment. Mega-typhoon hits Japan. Pigs now kill blacks in their own homes. Oil spills, high-rise collapses. California fires? Shut down the grid. New books: Mark Boyle, Christopher Ryan, Andrew McAfee. 420,000 years ago humans preserved bone marrow for future use. Machine learning, driverless cars? Not happening. "Leviathan Alive" by Jason Rodgers.

10-08-2019

[audio] D. Jensen/L. Keith hate speech in Denver - denied! Resistance (everywhere) news. Ads of the week: astounding tech lies e.g. "Innovation Has Changed the World, Moving Us All Forward." "Are We Living in a Post-Happiness World?" (NYT), "Electricity Doesn't Light Up the Soul" (WSJ), "Why Everything Is Getting Louder" (Atlantic). Iceberg the size of Oahu from Antarctica. Two calls.

10-01-2019

[audio] Napoleon Chagnon, civ defender, dead at 81. V. extreme weather events. What to do about wildfires(?) "What Will Happen after the Last Fish in the Ocean Dies?" WeWork.com debacle: no magic pill to cure work after all. Most bizarre ads. Suicides up among cops, military. "Just What Does AI Think of YOU?" 27,000 kids under 10 arrested since 2013. Action news.

09-24-2019

[audio] Global Climate 'Strike'. "Lost World" confusion. Back to school 'gear'. 2.9 billion fewer birds since 1970. Snowden's Permanent Record memoir. Ads of the week (all about DATA). 7 million displaced by extreme weather this year. The Economist: return to commons(!) Two calls, action briefs.

09-17-2019

[audio] What is Anarchy Radio? Dino Giagtzoglou's anti-tech essay, The Government of No One by Ruth Kinna. Extreme weather, more brain-eating amoeba deaths, recalls at insane levels. Precision tools 500.000 years ago. LA street fair features e-sports. Texting rules, No Tech Backlash? Action news, one call. Indigenous strug- gles in Amazonia, Steve Cutts' radical graphics. Delicious 2nd Green Scare Anarchist Bookfair statement.

09-10-2019

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. More heat and fire, shootings. More on waning legitimacy of the reigning disaster. Death rates up, "The Age of American Despair." Ads of the week (Verizon, Inovalon), recall of the week (FiatChrysler). Tech is failing schools, robot Buddhism, UK cows online, orbiting space hotel, 3D "world-building," and more tech madness. One call, action news.

09-03-2019

[audio] Dorian: as Atlantic heats up, much more to come. "The Mad Rush to Bulletproof American Schools." "Do Something!" Savage Gods by Paul Kingsnorth: appalling narcissistic garbage. "Abandon the Death Ship" by JZ. Plastic snow in Arctic, lip-reading surveillance cams, recalls, sex robots may injure. One call; indigenous, anarchist resistance.

08-27-2019

[audio] Eve of hurricane season, of global recession, of Burning Man. Amazonia catastrophe. Heat, plastics, bad air, e-scooters. Real villain is not tech companies but tech qua tech. Siri, Alexa listening, recording you. Brain-computer interface: no privacy even for thought. But Google's DeepMind not paying off. One call, action news.

08-20-2019

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Stunted nature of cyberspace 'discourse.' More sedentism: football, golf, and now fishing, on the decline. Robotic shorts, A Short Hike (video game!). More dead cops. Anthropology corner. Contamination follies. Frailty of online/offline grids. More horrors of modern childhood. Resistance news, 4 calls.

08-13-2019

[audio] Heat, water, food crises. Denial re mass killings, cop shootings, etc. Ag big and small destroys biodiversity. "Chernobyl" on HBO. Media then and now. "Data spills are like oil spills." Excerpt from Kevin Tucker's "Suffocating Void." Choked: Life and Breath in the Age of Air Pollution," by Beth Gardiner. One call, action news.

08-06-2019

[audio] SHOOTINGS - ever-worsening bloodbaths, bullet-proof backpacks. "Deaths of despair." I saw a young boy begging. Nihilism and Technology by Nolen Gertz. Tech destroys nature, steals its names (e.g. cloud, apple, stream). Amazon "Deathwatch," fires next. What are we doing? Boars invade Barcelona, Rome, etc. Antifa culture - pro soccer fandom? Resistance briefs, one call.

07-30-2019

[audio] Summer cancelled: Heat, Shootings. Bizarre current stuff from Lovelock, Kingsnorth (and Lyotard). Plastics everywhere, species not so much. Tech and its "vast digital underclass." S. Korean "You Tube Dad" when human connection has gone. "From Red Anarchism to Green Anarchy" by JZ. Action news, one call.

07-23-2019

[audio] "Art City" evening. Moon shot perspectives. Steven Pinker/Jeffery Epstein? "O Lost...?" by JZ. Mass killings, mass homelessness. Back to sailing, no shoes & other non- or anti-tech developments. "Was the Automotive Era Terrible Mistake?" No to facial recognition, emojis. Anarcho-primitivism makes the TLS. "The earth is running a fever that won't break." Resistance news, two calls.

07-16-2019

[audio] Oregon Country Fair - hippies uber alles. Moon shot's 50th anniversary. "Re-Enchantment" - new Fifth Estate. Wild restoration. Cow cuddling, "Please Touch Me," as intimacy wanes. Anti-work grows: disconnect/ discontent threat. Happy Meal toys are killing the planet (Or is it plastic straws?) Will Van Spronsen - our John Brown. Action news, two calls.

07-09-2019

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Visitors. Call centers as therapy sites. Disaster of the week. Toxic waters rising. Heat kills. Disease everywhere. Digitized images of a digitized world, plus robotics. Brain supplements craze in a stupefied world. Facial recognition: tech always more invasive. (Samsung iPhone) ad of the week: "One Giant Step for Reality." Resistance highlights, two calls.

07-02-2019

[audio] Protests everywhere. 2015 Eugene police shooting of Brian Babb going to trial. "The Last Black Man in SF." Latest contaminations, extinctions, sicknesses, extreme weather. "Experience" by JZ. Grid is shaky, malware take-overs abound. "Chat benches" in UK. Monopoly game gets computerized. Resistance briefs, one call.

06-25-2019

[audio] The case of Paul Kingsnorth. Refugees, melting, heart disease deaths up. "Years and Years" TV series - dystopian reality. Industrial explosion of the week. "Fully Automated Luxury Communism." Cities can solve climate crisis? Crab shells to fix plastics plague! Horns due to being glued to the iPhones. Action news. Buncha fine calls - and maybe a troll or two?

06-18-2019

[audio] Some dates/anniversaries of note (e.g. 6-18-99 anarchist eruption in Eugene). Heat waves, permafrost going fast. Rhinos, seals, insects, etc. also going fast. Brain-eating amoebas in New Jersey. Shooting of the week, (Lion Share Fund) ad of the week. Grid ever more vulnerable, undependable. Time for healing? Resistance news. Virtual celebrity, health slippages. Tech companies to lose trillions soon to cool off servers. One call.

06-11-2019

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Bye to repulsive anarchistnews.org. Agency, Laura Drake. Plant extinctions, heat threats. On shootings/stabbings. Plastics, methane, Gulf of Mexico dead zones. Civilization ends by 2050. Recalls, new plagues. Office luddites, (IBM) ad of the week. Action news, one call.

Transcript

Speaker 1

This the transfer from New Mexico to the men's basketball team and we recapped and talked about the state of the PAC 12. Well guys, that's going to do it for. Us here on a. Wonderful evening for quacks. Mack for Adam Sussman and Sean McPherson. My name is Jonathan Rifkin, Matt and the guys were back tomorrow night for more quacks. Mack. Until then, enjoy the rest of your Tuesday evening. This has been quacks. Mack on KWV Eugene 88.1 FM.

Speaker 2

You've listened to quack smack on kW, VA. If you miss any portion of the show or just want to listen again, you can find the full show recordings online at kW. Aradio.org Plus we're on Twitter at kW a sports? Join us again for our next episode tomorrow at 6:00 PM. Right here on kW VA Eugene 88. .1 FM.

Speaker 3

Do your youngsters ever ask you? What did you do before television was invented? Now sometimes it's hard to answer that question in a way that they'll understand we read. And we played out in the fresh air a lot more. At least that's what we tell the kids. But maybe there's another answer.

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Speaker 2

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Speaker 5

That's right, you're listening to KWVA Eugene. It's Tuesday night and time for Anarchy radio. I'm here in the studio with John and Katherine. And we'll be. Taking your calls in just a little bit at 541-3460. 645 But first we found this Gray album floating. Around the station last week, it's from Mystic Bowie. Albums called talking dreads, it's talking heads reggae band from the guy from the TomTom club, so.

Speaker 7

Here's a little bit.

Speaker 8

Of that

Speaker 9

At about the time. You must be having fun. You best believe. Try to recognize it.

Speaker 10

No no no. Turn like a wind.

Speaker 9

Where in the tub? They're gonna. How you doing? How do you do? Dun Dun.

Speaker 11

That's crazy, it's an all reggae broadcast tonight. Thanks so much for Co hosting. Catherine Catherine is here from Portland.

Speaker 8

Such a pleasure to be here in the heat with our reggae music man.

Speaker 11

Yeah, in the new school studio.

Speaker 8

There you go. Party on.

Speaker 11

For sure, and yeah, we might get some calls. I foolishly thought somebody could call Laura Drake last week, but. But as Carl pointed out, there's only one phone.

Speaker 5

We only got one line.

Speaker 8

541

Speaker 11

3460645 Well, I want to get to an announcement out of the way I just and then we get on to important stuff, but I it's just about people who want to check out American radio, but for various reasons can't get it live. They can get it at archive.org. Within the hour after the show, really and then. Or johnson.net my website within a day or so and until now at anarchistnews.org. But I've finally gotten fully sickened. By the a news crowd. And I guess for what three reasons, 1st and this continues to follow them around the scandal about their coziness with ITS. And its championing of random murder. Yeah, that's it's still blows my mind and we're currently for providing a big soundboard for those who defend adults. Having sex with kids. I think it's quite disgusting and. So lots of. Egoists have found a home. I guess that innocuous news and they. Big Blessed anyone who. Doesn't feel that great about that. Adults having sex with children. And so they they they attack anyone who has a problem with it as a moralist. Big cascade of anti moralism and also last week, Aragorn, King of the. Cynical leader of the bunch, I'd say. He was his question last week some. Form of his I forget which. When did you? Finally, accept reality. When did you admit defeat? When did you come to your senses and realize that we can't change things? So that would be strike three. I just won't have AR at Enterprise News and I told them why. Of course they. They didn't put up my statement. Yeah, it's just. It's just too much. You know, if you thought. About the ways to make sure that how to how to really smear. And put put anarchists and anarchy in a bad light you would come up with stuff like this. It's it's just kind of unbelievable to me. But then people like that it's irrelevant because they've thrown in the towel years ago. So what do they care? Whether it's. And I guess looked, looked pretty depraved. Anyway, on with the more interesting things.

Speaker 8

There's certainly a spectacular element to it and sensationalist. I think it's it's kind of in some ways it's sad. It's like you're trying to use sensationalism to rake up some attention or something. Because of lack of anything else. So, but certainly you know. Going for the sensationalism the the spectacular kind of approaches.

Speaker 11

If you don't stand for anything and you attack people who do stand for something, then I guess that's what you get. That's what you got and it never. It never gets better, it just seems to me it gets worse.

Speaker 8

Hard to see what's the line between narcissism and egoism. Maybe they want to put that on their side and give them a. What do you call it a educational?

Speaker 11

Here's the partake of both. Yeah, and in the real world there's we know trash in the very deepest oceans. Thousands of feet down, and it's been the news lately. All this stuff about the. All the litter. On the world's highest peak, all the garbage up there on Everest. The traffic jam of people and all that and. Extinctions everywhere, of course, one of the latest things to come out is the insect apocalypse. It's been. Now the latest. I don't know one more deal along those lines plant extinction needs. We've had to come to grips with this almost 600 plant species have been lost in the past 250 years and that of course coincides with the onset of. Industrialism 250 years and, of course, global warming. Yeah, this is the study. This is BBC News today actually. Thank you RC. And that we we know we've known for some time. The Arctic is thawing or warming faster relatively than any other part of the. Planet, and now there's a piece here about how it's flying so fast. It's saying it's are literally losing their measuring equipment. And then melting and disappearing I guess. Yeah, in a matter of days, several meters of soil frozen soil just to get destabilized and start to wash away. Permafrost collapse is part of this. In Siberia and other places. Already in Greenland, the ice sheets melt season began about a month early. And all of those things that. Go together in terms of the heat.

Speaker 8

That today's Wall Street Journal actually addresses that in there. Practically everything I brought today is about technology and and some of it I'll just have to acknowledge. I thought Laura Drake last week, Doctor Drake was just fantastic on the show. And every single you know every single piece I have here related to this 21st. Technology which she accurately points out is depriving us of agency. We'll give it up. We'll be melded with the machines. But your article there. On the Antarctica and Greenland in the Wall Street Journal. Maybe we're not doomed after all, and so top of the page they're talking about doctors and how, how tragic any humane healthcare. Would be primary care doctors spend nearly two hours typing into the electronic medical record, and that's kind of the the biggest culprit of the mushrooming workload of the healthcare providers. But then they nicely balanced the article with maybe we're not doomed after all. So one of the technological solutions, the one. For technological optimism is the extraordinary value of climate knowledge. So we can all celebrate how much knowledge, how much data is being collected. The second is the emergence of potential solutions. Avert the worst impacts of the greenhouse gases. That we continue to release into the atmosphere with technological measures. So the. Idea for Greenland in. And Antarctica has to geoengineer glaciers to delay their melting, and it picks up on the whole popular idea of building a wall. So we can, for instance 100 meter high wall could be built across the five kilometer wide fiord in front of the glacier in western Greenland to block the warm ocean currents that until recently have been melting. There's no proof this would work, and it would be hugely expensive, but the idea is proponents noted. That it already cost 10s of millions of dollars a year to build and maintain something. Rather, this price geoengineering is competitive, so don't get too down about the melting and warming of the ocean. We can just build the wall. One-size-fits-all.

Speaker 11

That makes sense. Well, we've got. Relatedly, these heat waves South Texas. It's kind of an amazing thing. Going on was reported on in the weekend quite a lot. The what they call the. What is it? There's a. It's not just heat, it's through the heat index up to over past 120 degrees in Brownsville area and parts of California having heat wave right now. And the. Speaking of currents and warmth and everything, the. They point out City lab last week pointed out that extreme heat in the US already. Kills about 1500 people a year, which is much more than severe cold or hurricanes or other things. And Yes, City lab is always boosting the wonders of cities and how everything will be fixed with technology. In fact, in this piece from the 6th, they say in terms of of deadly, deadly, or heat all the time, and this summer will be worse. The data isn't meant to be a cause for despair. Instead it should motivate city leaders to meet their climate goals.

Speaker 8

There you go, that just goes right. Along with we need to have. As waves of technological and optimism and.

Speaker 11

Sure, we can do it by golly, by ignoring all the fundamental stuff. And you know PG&E. Live in California. Power monopoly. They're they're taking now. They're getting close to what they have been pointing toward, that is. Shutting off power when we're we're into the fire season already. Right, so they're they're already. They're already trying to get straight on that, so which communities will be? Will the power be shut off and just in the Bay Area, California Bay Area? We're not talking about the more. You know forested remoter areas. Well, first, so since.

Speaker 8

Well, that that whole thing with the power cut offs I you know, I think a couple of things come to mind. One is the delayed recognition that that was causal in the California wildfires, and that's never really been attended to. I mean, back in the day. Corporate bosses or whatever who killed workers would be put in jail or on trial. Or you know, in certain countries there'd be some kind of accountability or whatever. But hey, the utility company, I think already proactively declared bankruptcy to save their butts and then now? This whole thing of they'll cut power proactively. Allegedly to make us safer or something, but it it makes me think of Venezuela and the governments use of power control control of the power grids and all to control the populations and affect the protests and stuff. And yeah, I mean just this whole depends on. On them to cut the power structure I mean to cut the electrical lines to prevent them. Wildfire fires just kind of ignores any recognition that that's real control. Who controls the power lines and and how that affects us and. Certainly if you're a person who's you know relies on your phone for everything, as most people in this society do now, that control of the power lines you know might not be safeguarding you in the end.

Speaker 11

Pretty close to the grid itself. Just lately, by the way I've been involved in this map, your neighborhood thing, neighborhood thing where you try to. Connect a little more with neighbors in case of disaster. What who has what, who knows what. Who has room. And so forth. For for you know, for networking to kind of pull. And you know, it strikes me that the kind of general assumption is with tsunami, earthquake, or. Flooding or something, but the. Probably the real one is going to be when the power goes off, period, and there's no people will be looking at their phones for instructions and some people will. And and they'll get the blank screen.

Speaker 8

Right, right?

Speaker 11

That's very so. Yeah, that's let's think a little more. You know, along those lines. I mean, it's the same question though. I mean, if. If people are in in that kind of dire situation, helping each other and trying to, you know, be a little more ready for things, that's. A good idea.

Speaker 8

Is your refrigerator in the heat? There goes your food. You know, unless you happen to have left the city.

Speaker 11

Oh yeah. Remember the I remember the Y2K thing. At the end of 99. Will everything stop because of? The rollover. Remember that, of course nothing happened, but. You know we were reminded that everything. And then that not everything. Well, most everything goes through a computerized thing from elevators to. Checking out at the supermarket or anything else, but it's even more basic. It's electricity itself, that's true. We had a little bit on shootings. I guess the one this five people shot in the Australian city of Darwin. Yeah, this was last Tuesday and five dead. This is reported yesterday in the Yakima Reservation. That's southeast of, well, it's about 2 hours southeast of Seattle to our N here, and maybe there'll be some more about this there wasn't today, but. You know, it really struck me, so I guess it's Indians. It doesn't matter. There's almost nothing on this was buried and and what they did report didn't really tell you anything at all. I mean, even though these things are inscrutable and have so much to do with society. Self, you know you look for these motives and backgrounds and then. You don't learn. Much, but yeah, just five people died after shootings and. Just very little. It just strikes me as just a little bit racist to one, would say.

Speaker 8

I was I was feeling the same thing in my neighborhood in Portland where there was a cop shooting on Sunday morning around the you. Know this is. Like two blocks from my house and. The only thing revealed. Up till now is allegations that there was a hostage situation. Someone was being held at knife point, maybe something about a bomb or explosive. So like this vague allegations making it sound terrorist. No, no information on age race. Sex of the of victims or perpetrators you know, just nothing. Lack of information. This is days afterwards. Pictures of the mayor there on TV saying that the chief of police is there and not, and in what they're looking at.

Speaker 11

And it at the very first thing what I saw on that was they mentioned that there was a woman nearby, but didn't say anything about hostage or any other details. And then they they arrived at this other story I guess.

Speaker 8

There's just like you know, and it's not even like a story. It's just like this. They kind of remind you that there's a War on Terror going along and you need to be afraid and. Oh my God, my local Safeway hostages and that or whatever to justify who is most likely mentally ill and resident of the streets.

Speaker 11

To justify them shooting somebody I mean. I wonder if we'll even find out. Much actually, you know. I thought this was pretty interesting. This is from the Saturday New York Times about Columbine. That's famous. Suburban High School South of Denver. 20 year Anniversary just last month. It turns out this has become a macabra tourist attraction for. Curious people from all over the world. They want to go into the high school they want to see where the killings happened, you know? And and now they're thinking of tearing, tearing it down. Because this is. So weird and. And people point out well what good is that going to do? I mean, anyway, it just seems. This is just another bizarre thing and everybody knows about these things. I mean, that's that's part of the picture. I guess that's this is and it's not just the US. In fact it isn't just guns, this is the piece. Last Friday in the New York Times. After knife attacks, Japans extreme recklessness are feared. So it switches over. There were a bunch of stabbings. I think 9 stabbed in Tokyo I. I think I mentioned this about 10 days ago. Anyway, in this case, this is where the story comes from the attacker. I guess now they find out what's one of these hikikomori individuals in the extreme withdrawal, they go into their room and don't come out for 20 years, and that's millions of people in Japan. It's a really sad pathological thing. And now they're saying there's at least 1.2 million. And it seems like they they even admit it's kind of a stretch to blame this on these. These sort of self hermit types. We don't even go out of the rooms. I mean it doesn't strike you as likely to go out and murder people, but. Anyway, more than one thing that's crazy tied together. Somehow I guess.

Speaker 8

Actually, yeah, you could add the another word like your one for the Internet. Reclusive the Kodokushi was another article in the paper about solitary deaths in Japan and basically the elderly being the primary inhabitants of suburban. Housing and dying alone being very very part of modern society there.

Speaker 11

That's so sad. Yeah, they don't, even they don't discover until months later. Just by chance that somebody just. That's that the end of. Their life, that way nobody knew nobody cared.

Speaker 8

Right to find this smells the body essentially then somebody looks.

Speaker 11

Yes indeed.

Speaker 8

Same society, which apparently is not having sex. Also, this is like you know. Well, let's get back to this wave of technological optimism. They're pretty connected society, they are electronically, yeah.

Speaker 11

Yeah, these things kind of pile up and and. And interact and back to the physical environment for a minute they. They're apparently anticipating bigger dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico. This time because of the flooding which. Is still going on. In the heartland and it's washing all the chemicals from industrial agriculture into the Gulf and speeding up how hypoxic you know how lack of oxygen it is and. That very, very warm. Ocean already. Yeah, that's. Meanwhile, they were reporting that methane emissions from ammonia fertilizer plants. That's that's your basic. Fertilizer NH3. I guess it is for many many decades, 100 times higher than the fertilizer industry's self. Reported estimate.

Speaker 8

What those yeah?

Speaker 11

Yeah, the emissions that are much worse than CO2 in terms of sealing off the atmosphere. Warming everything.

Speaker 8

So well, here was a helpful article you probably want to study John. It's called the trouble with office Luddites and it's a very supportive article in the Wall Street Journal today about how to help them. There are ways to reach the resistors and keep an operation humming.

Speaker 11

Yeah, they're it's. It's kind of cooler people still holding out. It's not just.

Speaker 4

OK.

Speaker 8

Every office has one. That's the opening sentence, yeah?

Speaker 11

Yeah, the trouble with those darn Luddites.

Speaker 8

Another good in the article age is in the big as big a driver as tech resistance as many people believe and that that is another you always. It's us, us old folks who just don't get it and actually.

Speaker 11

Well, I think Cliff pointed out that's the the people that just are holding out aren't necessarily old. I mean that's part of it, but it's not the it's. It's not just that.

Speaker 8

Age, you know?

Speaker 11

And the ad of the week. This has been around for a while now, but I thought it's related to the trouble with the Luddites. You know it used to be. Let's build a smarter plant, but now the IBM mantra is. Let's put smart to work, working to change the way the world works. And of course it means working faster and faster because the machines go faster and faster. Thus you have Luddites who are not with the program. I mean that would be up. One obvious reason they they don't want that particular York, because in general everybody knows that's it's. It's making people. And you know everything for a long time now down to counting the keystrokes, they can tell if fast people are working. They can monitor that easily.

Speaker 8

Oh, it's all about quantifying and yeah, yeah.

Speaker

You know it.

Speaker 11

Yeah exactly white collar work the office. So it's it isn't. They make it sound like how irrational how, how weird that you'd have these Luddites.

Speaker 8

Resistance is a positive.

Speaker 11

Yeah, exactly resisting.

Speaker 8

Such a positive thing. So was that actually brought up something I saw earlier walking by a store? It was about resisting and it was a marketing strategy, resisting something rather. You know, I can't even remember the specifics that what more can I say.

Speaker 11

And really jumped out.

Speaker 8

Resistance, you know, like that? That's something to sell things. It's kind of like the Billboard I saw. That said, if you eat eggs, you are not a feminist. Right these perplexing slogans that just. Total nonsense and total. Evacuate any meaning or any any thought to what is resistance or what did it used to be.

Speaker 11

Well, if you were a strict vegan, you would. I guess you would try to connect the dots and persuade. It seems like it seems a little off beat. It seems a little strange, doesn't it do? But attack people are not true feminists if they're if they're not vegan.

Speaker 8

Right, something about eating eggs is anti Simon stir or something? Yeah, it's just a that was a billboard billboard on Burnside and it wasn't real clear who's the.

Speaker 11

Ah, and that's a. New billboard

Speaker 8

You know, sometimes they'll put small who's the sponsoring agency or whatever, but.

Speaker 11

Well, yeah, I've got a I've got to worry about the. Office, vegans, maybe two. I don't know. Well, we should probably take a break. We got some more reggae treatment of talking heads students.

Speaker 10

I can't seem to face up to the facts. Country that's on fire.

Speaker 12

Don't touch me, I'm a real. Live wire.

Speaker 6

Run, run, run.

Speaker 9

Conversation you can't even finish it. You're talking a lot.

Speaker 10

But you're not saying anything.

Speaker 9

When I have nothing to say. Say something, what, why say?

Speaker 10

It again now.

Speaker 12

Diskusi, PP.

Speaker 6

Run, run, run, run, run, run away.

Speaker 12

Are we on this?

Speaker 10

I hate people when they're not.

Speaker 6

Run, run, run, run, run, run.

Speaker 10

Oh, I'm sadder than anyone knows. I close my eyes and say something won't smite.

Speaker 6

Run, run, run, run, run, run away.

Speaker 11

Here we get a little Action News segment.

Speaker 8

Go for it and.

Speaker 11

OK, well I have noticed there are protests everywhere. Hong Kong, France, London, Caracas. Sudanian protein and Sudan and Kazakhstan. So I'm not going to try to sort them all out or anything, but it's certainly of energy. All over the. Place and from I think this is it's going down the registered Antifa outlet, kind of funny. It sort of undercuts. Maybe this wasn't it's going down. Maybe I got the room anyway, there was a Big Klux Klan demonstration in Dayton, OH on May 25th. And I'm quoting here. There were nine of them. The anti clan demonstration numbered 600 or more. You know, I felt that they kind of magnify. This sort of pan leftist thing about Antifa time, after time, they're like 2 halfwits surrounded by all these pigs to protect them against the giant. Number of people. People who want.

Speaker 8

To kick their *** and swing them drive for quantification kind of falls apart. They don't really register the numbers and you know you see the tear gas. You see the cops beating people and you know looks like great old confrontation there. It's like yeah 2 nincompoops.

Speaker 11

Close enough.

Speaker 8

Thousands you know?

Speaker 11

Yeah, it's and. OK, May 5th going back a little ways, but once again this is just posted much more recently. Members of in the Liberation Front from around US Australia came together to disrupt the opening hunt weekend of the Sydney Hunt Club in north in NSW who used enslaved horses and hounds to terrorize and murder. Anyway, they go in to save their horse stables and dog kennels were sabotaged with trucks and horse floats, disabled gates, clean, chain shut etcetera. We are not fighting to change the law. We are fighting against the whole system. Oh, and there was a very brief thing here about the yellow vest movements. This is from libcom. Quote more and more videos show special police groups attacking people randomly even in their own buildings. Police repression has had the effect of radicalizing, and bringing revolutionaries and yellow vests closer together. More and more the common denominator of this diverse movement is a hatred for the police and calls. For a revolution. Like hear that.

Speaker 8

No surprise there keeps on going.

Speaker 11

On May 28th. This was six post office post office vans in Paris were torched. And you know, it's it. Kind of reminds me of the some anarchists in San Diego. Chile are fond of burning public buses and it I don't know. I guess that shows that it's really society itself. Because, you know, if you you could say, well, the post office public buses, you could have better targets, but I don't know I. I guess I tend to. See all of it. They're looking at all of it. The totality. Of it and. I think it makes sense. You know, and that that that way, I guess. June 4th List Tuesday rent control activists blocked government offices at the New York State Capitol in Albany, clashing with cops. This was posted June 7th and I guess it happened within a day or so. Large a large transporter truck. Was hit by arson in Santiago again, and. Use the mail list of 100 deer liberated from a farm. In the National Park somewhere in Germany and shooting towers were damaged June 5th. Also June 5th. A police dog training school was set on fire somewhere in Germany. Excuse me on June 3rd, that's when it happened. And on June 8th in the Czech Republic, somewhere in the Czech Republic, 109 hens, chickens were rescued and near Namur, Belgium. This was posted June 8th, 49. Hunting stands were destroyed and an upstate New York hunting tower was down. Finally, something from the US. You know what this is? I'm mostly get this stuff from bite Back magazine and and they're almost always great photos. And then we can't show you the photos because you know it's great stuff. Big huge fires, you know. Very cool.

Speaker 8

Some of that right?

Speaker 11

Right?

Speaker 8

Riot **** the Greeks are famous for. Indeed, and they still in many bus ride, I remember sharing with locals and showing all the pictures and police on fire. All right, let's give out. That number again, say the phone calls.

Speaker 11

Ohhh yes 5413460645

Speaker 8

And say get it while you can before it's too late, so let's see, oh, just endlessly, let's see here, this robot is a mind reader.

Speaker 11

You got some more tech stuff.

Speaker 8

It's the Allen Institute for Artificial Intelligence. They transformed the game of Pictionary into a game. Iconic Mary instead of Pictionary. And you can play the game along. It helps the robot learn better on how to how to work with humans. You draw a man. The system produces an icon, and it's just the whole purpose of everything. Iconography is a more complex version of the language translation system.

Speaker 11

Where is that?

Speaker 8

So the Allen Institute for Artificial Intelligence. Where is it? Well, of course they would tell us.

Speaker 11

Well, we have a caller, I think.

Speaker 5

Yeah, me too this is.

Speaker 8

Hello Alfredo.

Speaker 7

Hey, what's going on? What's going on? Both of you? I'm afraid of I'm from occupied southwest. Just go. I'm in phoenix.

Speaker 5

OK.

Speaker 7

Like high, here's how my heat is. It was like 111 degrees. Also, my job doesn't have air conditioning, so man I come yeah bad. Let me tell you. About that, but you know. Hey I wanted to tell you about this initiative. Kind of doing out here like. You know we're a distro, you know? So our job is just kind of propagandize like get as much stuff out there you know. So mostly are kind of on that like anti. Tech Greener just so you know, I. I really think it's only. Reasonable position you could have. In a city that should should not exist.

Speaker 8

Yeah yeah, looks like Kitty litter, right?

Speaker 7

What you're talking about? What about you, Mr.

Speaker 8

When you go into. Phoenix when you drive into Phoenix. It always looks like it's a Kitty litter box to me.

Speaker 7

It shows the good. Kitty litter box. That's the truth, yeah. 120 degree Kitty litter box. So I want to tell you about this. Initiative we're doing here. We were thinking like what can kind of cut the. Monotony of the hot summer days. So we're actually raising money right now for ice cream truck. We're trying to buy an ice cream truck to like hand out ice cream and then hopefully kind of like expand the distro that way.

Speaker 11

Wow ice cream and propaganda.

Speaker 13

Right?

Speaker 7

Exactly, yeah, well, the ice cream truck lake is kind of like we're. Trying to I'm trying to get away from, you know, we're trying to get away from working for other people we're. Thinking of. You ever see the ice cream truck? You know you? Have you have those up there?

Speaker 8

Yeah yeah, you got the music too.

Speaker 7

Yeah, the music. Yeah we have the music. Yeah well we were just thinking of playing like I don't know if you're familiar. With like 21 Savage.

Speaker 11

Oh yeah, that's what your plan. You can play.

Speaker 7

Yeah, you like that John? Oh yeah, no. You should still listen to him anyway, but I just wanted to kind of talk about that ice cream truck. I don't know what you. Guys thought of it whatever, but I mean hopefully I mean I know like it. It kind of sucks because it runs on fossil fuels. But we're hoping maybe to like power it.

Speaker 8

You know what comes to mind to me is the Panthers and their free breakfast for children program. And another thing yeah yeah, another thing I was talking with John earlier about like food not bombs used to be a part of most of the efforts to feed people.

Speaker 7

Oh the free breakfast.

Speaker 8

And now you know, I just don't. Team around anymore. Don't know what happened there, but so your ice cream truck sounds like it comes from there are historical precedents. It's a good. Sounds like a good effort. Ice cream and propaganda.

Speaker 7

Yeah we would. We would charge money. For the ice cream.

Speaker 8

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7

You know what I mean, but yeah, I know for sure I mean. But yeah, we're trying to do that as kind of wanted. To talk, talk. About that I've been reading.

Speaker 11

Sounds fun.

Speaker 7

Been reading that book time, time and time again. I think the title it has got that I'm really, really excited. I'm glad to people all the time.

Speaker 11

Appreciate it.

Speaker 7

We got to get. Rid of like like if I see somebody. Wearing a watch I get. Mad, you know what I mean, it's like. Just checking the time for.

Speaker 11

To get away from that. Somebody said it should be called. Time and time again and time again. Because it's 3 essays, not just two. So we didn't think of that.

Speaker 7

It is very good. No, I know, I know, it's yeah. It's real. It's real good, but I just wanted to say hey, you know y'all, you know if you want to I don't know like I can e-mail you some 21 savage links just I don't know if you use e-mail. Whatever, but maybe.

Speaker 11

Hey, I'd love that I. I'm at Jay-Z Primitivo at Gmail. I'd love to see that.

Speaker 7

Z Primitivo ruparel wow.

Speaker 11

Yeah, for real, yeah, Gmail.

Speaker 7

I'm glad y'all you know it's 100 and. 10 degrees so. Yeah, I'm gonna get. I'm gonna go outside and actually make myself, you know. What I mean?

Speaker 11

Wow, hang in there. Hey, thank you for calling Alfredo.

Speaker 7

Yeah, thank you. Thank you both for talking to me. Have a. Good night.

Speaker 8

Thanks for your call, wow.

Speaker 11

Take care, wait. We were complaining about the heat here.

Speaker 8

Wow, that's what I was going to say. Yeah, drink water, drink water.

Speaker

Yeah oh man.

Speaker 11

Well, I'll be hunter here tomorrow still, but. Phoenix, who? And they've, well, they get their share pollution too. It reminds me it makes me think of LA the times I've been through there. As well, you know, just sprawling and.

Speaker 8

Well, we're going.

Speaker 11

To Alfredo and his friends, they've got a cool project going on. Well, you know, Speaking of tech, there are much more. And actually this I was reading this from Sandia Lab. Midweek last week about Baltimore. Under their their well, they were starting their 5th week. Under the malware thing, they malware, electronic siege I guess is the word because they just shut shut it down. You can't get building permits or licenses or anything from the city. It's the city that was what was attacked. The whole grid. For sending government. Yeah, I can't. All this routine stuff. You know, buying a house or whatever all the different paperwork and so forth. Hackers just kind of did away with it hasn't really been you think it's a bigger story, but it's. It's somewhat commonplace and not to this extent, but you know, things are always getting wrecked, hacked, and. Ruined and and of course the privacy thing. Is there too how you can open up anything and share? The bad actors do that all the time. And others I suppose, too. There was a Wall Street Journal last Wednesday, the 5th had a 10 piece section on cybersecurity. Yeah, it was called a journal report and it's just well, there isn't any server security, but it took it took 10 pages to. That and all of the new things that are, you know, the the race to be able to encrypt things. To hide your stuff, that's. Yeah, that's that's not happening either. That's that's not going to hold up. It hasn't held up now for that matter, right? But but a 10 page thing that is.

Speaker 8

Revelatory aspect of of the technology or the where you can. They can use the facial recognition technology to read. Let's see what was the. Got it here. Somewhere financial risk secrets that may be hidden in their faces, just the face itself contains a wealth of information about an individual's. Health revealed their emotional and psychological state expressions typically occur within fractions of seconds and therefore hard for people to control. So you know this desire for security and then the other side of it is total surveillance, so that if they you know. Quiver of a facial muscle, and they're like whoop. You ain't buying that. Home you know?

Speaker 11

Yeah, so invasive and and working on it pushing it every second. So this this is the piece last week's will Mr. Journal about the remember the mad scientist, the Chinese guy? In China last year. That he announced the birth of twin girls. They were designed. This is gene editing. You know, crisper and all that. The design to resist HIV, so this is that's cool, you know, then people won't. Get infected, well, kind of a small little article here called new worry over gene edited babies, a genetic mutation thought to make people resistant to the virus that causes AIDS, could also shorten their lives. Well hey you didn't get you didn't get aids, but now you're dead. Yeah, renewed concern over a Chinese experiment about Gene edited. Supposedly the first gene edited. Maybe then you got this whole concern? Industry handwringing, no, we're we're so interested in ethics. And who do we have a democratic control of? Blah blah, unless they're morons. They know that's nothing but hot air to cover up the on rushing thing. It's there hasn't been anything like that and there never will be. They they just these liberals. Want to? You know, act like they care or something and then.

Speaker 8

Well and actually. I've seen that one on the shortening the lifespan on the alleged prevention or or you know, elimination of AIDS as a killer for people. Couple days after that an article on Pakistan and that kind of epidemic proportion 2 to 5 year old. Children's AIDS infected in Pakistan really wasn't well explained, but the numbers were outrageous for you know, for like it just. They build this House of Cards where everything is allegedly known and and aids where you know that was the 80s and it didn't have a name. It was a new disease and mystery and then now, whoa, there's expensive, expensive drugs to treat it and everything's allegedly. Down and when you crisper it out of the you know if you're a believer, go down.

Speaker 4

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11

Feel more dependent. And we are more dependent and we're being held hostage. It's just an old story. Well, but after all life lifescience.com is telling us and I think you know RC for this human civilization will crumble by 2050. So why are we bothering unless we stop climate change now? You know one more. This is actually a report that what what is going to collapse the world's ice sheets and then fifty other things? The million animal species and. So forth. But yeah, by 2050. A near to mid term existential threat to human civilization collapses since 2050. One more one more deal on that.

Speaker 8

One more nail in the coffin. Kind of interesting article in the magazine section of the New York Times. On Mike Gravel running for president, which kind of just plays into the whole thing of technology and how it's how it's completely defined the electoral system and you can create teenagers can create viable candidates by just. Issuing tweets and twitters and and this and that. What can I say? Trump was the first postmodern politician. I like to think gravel is the second. He doesn't need to make appearances or anything. He just got a couple teams and. Internet going and you create a whole world and post modernism. That's we smile at the irony of it all.

Speaker 11

Virtual or what's the difference?

Speaker 8

Yeah, yeah, virtual reality. Put them, put them together and you totally stupefied and cannot function.

Speaker 11

And we we just seem to be rocketing past all the mundane, prosaic daily life things, except of course. And I'm always amazed by how much we're just awash in recalls. I think today the Big Kroger chain. Recalling 3 varieties of frozen berries, Tyson has announced tons and tons of chicken, chicken parts or chicken, whatever they are. Here today, Audi announced that it's recalling its electric car. Because the batteries catch for are likely they're very possibly catch for, and even this this whole thing about the Boeing 737 Max. Which was crashing, and they've sidelined most of it. I guess now it turns out it's parts. Defective parts, among other things, probably the whole computerized thing. That's the whole thing in itself of. What control do you have over the technology, including the plane you're on? That's going to crash because the pilots don't know what. To do.

Speaker 8

Because they don't have the power to change it, they're fighting the computer versus the yeah.

Speaker 11

Exactly well put, yeah.

Speaker 8

Well then there was a article on the Poor rap museum that was looted so heavily and now it's functioning. And apparently the people go there. It's a practically empty museum. Nobody's has an interest really in. The cultural remnants of this, it's almost empty, and all the literature on the history or audio visual or anything to explain what you're looking at or always just kind of emptying out there some museum for dating back to 4000 BC. Just perfectly empty. After all the outrage about.

Speaker 11

Yeah, that's that's telling those artifacts and that whole story.

Speaker 8

That was also the I guess, Williamsburg in Brooklyn. Gentrification of Brooklyn has come to this for the first time in 116 years. Our Lady of Mount Carmel has been forced to recruit out of Towners to carry their. Little thing, the room for the. First of all, the Williamsburg festival during the July Festival honoring an Italian St. and basically then not so many Italians left in Williamsburg. It's completely gentrified and to recruit from out of town.

Speaker 11

Remember the Kundera novel? Which one was it? Maybe it was the one, the joke. Where this person sends a postcard, it's just do some vacation and. Makes his makes a small joke and the party finds out this is behind the red card in Czechoslovakia, Days, 60s I guess. And he's he's ruined over just an offhand. That didn't mean anything, I guess. And I remember the final scene of that novel. These they're trying to have a similar I guess. Somewhat similar procession and the Communist Party was actually trying to get. We're trying to support the traditional stuff to show they care about the peoples culture or something like you know and the finals these these kids on scooters with their music blaring and these people are trying to win their way along with the to uphold the folk stuff and. And it's and he he doesn't. He's not coming around to say that the stall is for wonderful or anything, but he's showing that. That modernity is is kind of pushing it off the road. You know, in effect. It's written so much good stuff. I'm sure I'm glad you came down grateful. It's it's such a high point and July looks good too.

Speaker 8

July should be good going to be hot again.

Speaker 11

Second to Tuesday Yeah, probably, maybe we should move to Phoenix. Well, Carl, I'll be here next week and we'll be. I don't think there's a mystery guest unlike last week, and that was very strong, wasn't she?

Speaker 8

That was, she was very good, yeah.

Speaker 11

She covered so much. Orange drink and you can find you can you can. Get more and I mentioned that Green Street podcast, which is my first. Awareness of what she had to say. The two people that do the Green Street thing were very. Very welcoming and that that was a good. She did at least half an hour with them. It's great to find people that are.

Speaker 8

So her her personal history too was very good to see. You know, like she was, she was into it. She just stopped herself.

Speaker 11

She was a nerd. self-described nerd. Way turning the other way so.

Speaker 8

Yeah, yeah. Those are the people who really understand when those people are worried you've been, they're worried.

Speaker 11

Yeah he he was sending me something just the other day. OK. He's trying to explain something. Some tech thing he said. I know this will be gibberish to you. Carl smiles. He knows he knows what he's talking about, and of course it was. There was some how to do something and oh, it had to do with some ebook connection because I couldn't find the book or I don't know, yeah. And yeah, he's he's a good friend and he knows certainly knows his. Way around the. The technological monster. Great to see you guys and.

Speaker 8

Thanks again, thank you. See you next month.

Speaker 9

You may find yourself living in a shotgun shack. You may find yourself in another part.

Speaker 13

Of the world.

Speaker 12

You may find yourself behind.

Speaker 9

The wheel of a large automobile. You may find yourself in.

Speaker 12

A beautiful house.

Speaker 13

With a beautiful wife, you may save yourself well. How can I get here?

Speaker 12

Let the water hold me down, water flowing. On the ground.

Speaker 10

After the money's gone.

Speaker 9

You may ask yourself, how do I work this? Where is that large automobile? You may tell yourself this is not my beautiful house. You may tell yourself this is not my beautiful wife.

Speaker 12

Let the water hold me down the water flowing on the ground after.

Speaker 10

The money is gone.

Speaker 13

Want to remove it? Harris wants us in the bottom of the ocean. Remove the.

06-04-2019

[audio] Mass shooting of the week, "America, A Nation of Trauma." The malignancy of mass society. Mass flooding, mass near-extinctions (e.g. gray whales, puffins, curlews), mass psychic immiseration, mass homelessness. Conver- sation with anti-tech partisan Laura Drake. Kids' bike riding declining big-time. Experience Industry's latest: Star Wars World, resistance briefs.

05-28-2019

[audio] MOVE prisoners released after 40 years - and a Phila. caller. "When Were Human" by JZ. Endless disease outbreaks, contaminations, breakdowns - health of all species bludgeoned globally. Army worms, African swine flu in China. Ebola, leprosy, measles, etc. Mass stabbing in Tokyo. "Will Robots Ever Better Caretakers than Humans?" Laura Drake blasts tech. Tech regulation, privacy: fantasies. Major mergers. Books, not e-books, on the rise. Action reports.

05-21-2019

[audio] No more Game of Thrones! Zoltan boosts microchip implants "so long as it doesn't harm anybody else."(!) Comcast wants to track your bathroom habits. Disney World could build a nuclear reactor. 1st organism with a fully synthetic DNA code. Gene that fixes depression NOT. Millions of birds killed by industrial vacuum olive harvests. Seas rise even faster. Local landfill fires due to lithium batteries. Action briefs, one call.

05-14-2019

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. More on "Done in from Within." Industrial excrescence of the week. E. Africa trashed by e-waste. Air Buds a recent e-crime. Ferlinghetti's Little Boy memoir. "Depression is a Disease of Civ," by Stephen Ilardi. Resilience, new phony buzzword. No military solution to mass shootings, latest suicides upsurge: teen girls. Social medias addiction and enemy of thought. Action briefs.

05-07-2019

[audio] Devastating UN report on extinctions. Greenhouse Distro. Age of cruelty, no empathy? Academics discover anti-civ. A report on Us, Relative: Scaling and Plural Life in a Forager World by Nurit Bird-David. "Done in From Within" by JZ. Cocaine in UK rivers. Connection now a commodity. Action news, four calls.

04-30-2019

[audio] What is the spirit - or dispirit - of the times? Fear, anxiety, grief...dominant zeitgeist vibe? Fredy Perlman on racism and nationalism. Eco-disaster of the week, suicide watch. Getting dumber in the techno-world. Ableism discussion. Modern Madness by Ed Lord. Birds, measles. Action news. Zuckerberg: "The future is private." One call.

04-23-2019

[audio] Due to a screw-up at the station the recording is mostly that of a U of O softball game. But at about 15 minutes in there's 20 minutes of the show

04-16-2019

[audio] Were "modern" much earlier than thought, before symbolic culture(!) "Intentional Mass Casualty Events." New books. "A Note on Freedom" by JZ. Global energy consumption rocketing upward. City Lab touts Technopolis as 100 Resilient Cities ends. "Machine learning" writes the scripts but cursive in schools makes a comeback. "Woman at War" film, resistance briefs. (Go to channel 2 at kwvaradio website for 4/23 show.)

04-09-2019

[audio] "Filling the Void" - Bruce Alexander on addiction as response to the void of the culture. More cities submerging. Synthetic biology on the march vs. health failures all over the world. Reality too "depressing"? Instagram, Snapchat ruining memories; Google's Smart Compose: bots take over writing/thinking. Cognitive tech lined up to read our thoughts. Barry Lopez's Horizon: no resistance, no alternative paradigm. Resistance briefs, one call.

04-02-2019

[audio] "Regulate" global social media technology? Weather, species, industrial calamities sampler. How to better deal with racism from anti-civ perspective; general approach or grounded? White by Bret Easton Ellis. Use, role of fire on Homo species. Shootings, always. "This Friend- ship Hs Been Digitized." Depressed? More video games to the rescue. Garfield phones pollute French beaches. Resistance reports, two calls.

03-19-2019

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Rupture by Manuel Castells: the global crisis of democracy. Mass shootings: Brazil, New Zealand, Netherlands. Answer to racism within Civ? Mass cynicism, mass corruption. Whale woes, industrial mayhem. Why domestication? 6-day Venezuelan black-out: "No authority." Two calls, resistance news.

03-12-2019

[audio] Latest urban disasters/growth of cities. New jetliners crash, pilots helpless re: tech. Oil spills, extinction news. Rise of conspiracy 'theories.' Homo hunted rabbits 400,000 years ago. I read my "Value and its Enemies." E-sports replacing sports, anti-depressants don't work, organized intimacy(?) Social Media Is Ruining our Memories. Those Stars in the Skies by Deba Ranjan. Action shorts.

03-05-2019

[audio] Snowed in last week - no broadcast. Crises of the seas, ever-stranger weather. Control: essence, inner logic of civilization. Ardi hominins walked like us four million years ago. 131-car pileup (perfect metaphor). Longest oil spill. Sadder lives in a pathological world that breeds despair. Debora Spar's The Virgin and the Plow: technology, paternity, patriarchy. Two calls. Raptors take out mining co. drones. New anarchist zines, action news

02-19-2019

[audio] Valentine's Day...and self-love(?) Weave: the Social Fabric Project. Pig shootings, mass shooting of the week. Mega-polluted city of the week: Bangkok. Eco-disaster tid-bits. Online instructional videos do not impart skills. Depression impacts, resistance. Email, iPhones misery. Online and failing, anxious. Nihilism not ideological? Actions shorts from here and there.

02-12-2019

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Strikes then & now. Chomsky on "Moral Depravity." More on ASMR. "Becoming Animal." Rentafriend.com. Despair the basis of school shootings. "See Something, Say Something." Latest fashion is post-apocalypse-wear. Surprising allergies rise. "Fauxtography." Resistance briefs, one (nihilist) call.

02-05-2019

[audio] Breakdown of a friend. Biggest mass shooting: "no motive." ASMR craze. Bye, bye, ocean blue. Colonization genocide caused 'little ice age' c. 1600. Half of US adults have heart disease; obesity- related cancers on rise among young. UK schools turn to meditation re: anxiety, depression. Kids: online but not lovin' it. Air conditioning alone will be overheating tipping point. Media sources, resistance briefs. And so much more.

01-29-2019

[audio] LONELINESS - There's a pill for that! Sleepless in Society; Public Health crisis. Shootings; massive Australian drought, temps. Musk madness, Tokyo man weds robot. Super report from Rewild weekend in Portland. Conspiracy 'theories' thrive in post-truth/postmodern world. Resistance briefs, one call.

01-22-2019

[audio] Whiteaker Tales event: most of the hour's 6 calls were about issues raised there e.g. snitch culture. Mary Oliver, eco lowlights of the week. Greenland Asia's glaciers melting fast. Bighorn sheep going under, global insect collapse. Ad of the week: Aspiration credit card. BAGR (now Wild Resistance) #6; #7 will be decolonization themed.

01-15-2019

[audio] Events reminders, enviro marker of the week. Snitch culture. "Post-Left" foibles... e.g. strikes/unions and "How fascists Approach the Post-Left Anarchist Movements" by Dimitris Plastiras. "Whopping" American weight gains. Wichi hunter-gatherers in Argentina. Desalination hoax. Problem Solving Deficit Disorder. One call, action briefs.

01-08-2019

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. French uprising resumes, deepens. Outreach discussion; anti-civ needs to break out of current anarchist bubble. Cascadialive! TV shows 1996-2005 at U of Oregon archives. Monarch butterfly almost extinct. Industrial disaster of the week, mass shooting of the week. Whiteaker Tales event Jan. 19. Action news, 3 calls.

01-01-2019

[audio] Report from NZ Deep Green Bush School. 50th anniversary of Apollo 8 "earthrise" photo - what ruin required for that shot? Dave Eggers on Digital Human Rights(?) Arizonans' luddite fury against driver- less cars. Electrocution threat to wildlife, vowels Go Walking. Native students abused still. Resistance news, one call.

2018

12-25-2018

[audio] Holiday weirdness (e.g 10PM Xmas eve is heart attack time), "climate grief." New face of social movements 2019? Read "Techno Madness." Contamination, extinction news. "Civilization Is Like a Jetliner." Ads of the week (odes to super- passive consumerism), failure of 'green' agriculture in Italy. Face-to-face world fading. Resistance briefs and recommendations.

12-18-2018

Due to tech failure this broadcast was not recorded. End of the year, end of the world. The concept of holiday. Discussion re: openness/communication among anti-civ folks. Homelessness, isolation. New tools + networks 32,000 years ago, 1st plague 4,900 years ago. Online religion; Boy Scouts, 4H on the wane. Autism factors. Resistance news, 2 calls.

12-11-2018

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. French uprising going strong, Polish climate summit even more of a bad joke than usual. Cambridge word of the year: nomophobia, fear of being away from phone. Dead Sea, Sea of Galilee drying up. No amount of drugs can cure depression. Grimes' disgusting ode to the Machine. Carbon emissions spike globally. Resistance briefs, two calls.

12-04-2018

[audio] France on verge of open revolt; "yellow vests" eruption is uprising not protest, spreading. "It is Time We Civilised the Sentinelese," by Brendon O'Neill. Suicide, ODs, nihilism: life expectancy declining for first time. Gene-spliced humans are among us. Fortnite addiction as connection, intimacy fall off. As eco-disaster moves along, violence among caged humans increases. Resistance news. One call.

11-27-2018

[audio] Deana Dartt last week: priceless. "Natural" disasters? "Earth is in a Death Spiral," George Monbiot. Oxford Word of the Year: toxic. I read my "Art and Meaning." "Ralph Breaks the Internet," the horror of online "life." Fewer in favor of social mediall the time. Arm-A-Dine is a robot arm aid to gluttony. Resistance news, four calls.

11-20-2018

[audio] An hour with pro-rewilding Chumash scholar and activist, Deana Dartt. Insights on decolonization, native renewal, health, being a guest on the land much more. Two calls.

11-13-2018

[audio] Mass shootings at crisis point, Californiablaze at an unprecedented level. Surviving hunter-gatherers under siege. Basic irrelevance of the electoral sand box. "Google is helping relieve the drudgery of email - by revealing how inhuman it was in the first place. Japanese resistance to robotics. Action news, 3 calls.

11-06-2018

[audio] Election night! Yawn. Gary Hart, luddite. Collapse of ecosystems: another very dark report. Contamination of air, soil march on. Perfectionism in complex society: a curse. Screen time makes kids dumb + fat. Bitcoin, smartphones shipments down. Isolation bad for heart, nerve cells. Telemedicine: "Take Two and Skype Me in the Morning." Ads of the week (tech propa- ganda). Anarchist Film Archive: irrelevant, inaccurate, leftist. Action news, one call.

10-30-2018

[audio] Nihilism not an ism? Horror show of this week's news. Americans spend more than 90% of their lives indoors. 3 million plastic bottles and bags produced globally - per minute.The Ringtone Dialectic by Sumanth Gopinath. The Language of depression and anxiety rules the internet. BIG recent push by Silicon Valley parents to keep kids away from all e-outlets at all times. Action news. Electric grids not only spread wildfires but caused them in CA. UK surgery students lack all dexterity skills. Google now completes your messages.

10-23-2018

[audio] UK mobile phone network's campaign against growing anti-tech sentiment in society. ITS unmasked further. Liminal by Natashalvarez. 700,000 year-old rhino butchery found in Philippines. Oceans, health undermined. Microplastics in your stool. Art signed Algorhythm on sale at Christie's. Resistance briefs, two calls.

10-16-2018

[audio] Against Art and Culture, by Liam Dee. "Twilight of the Evening Lands" read by JZ. BAGR #6 underway. Insidious moves by alt-Right. Frightful weather: price of beer to double. Global insect crisis. Resistance news, two calls.

10-09-2018

[audio] Landmark UN study: Enviro catastrophe soon. Delusions of democracy. Robotics follies, academic journal hoaxes, orca collapse. Alarming health news - as Facebook pushes into remote Africand 250+ die in pursuit of perfect selfie. Action briefs, 3 calls.

10-02-2018

[audio] Mark Harris, addiction counselor and local activist, for the hour. Dope, racism, psychology, health, anarchists, history. Three calls.

09-25-2018

[audio] Why so much talk of tech on Anarchy Radio? US heating, sea turtles fading after 65 million years. No end to the shootings, OD's, or worsening storms. "Amid the Cacophony of the Modern World, a Quest for Quiet." Microsoft: "Em- powering Us All," Audi: "Progress Is Never Satisfied." Alexa everywhere. Primal Anarchy the answer to the totalizing Disaster. Action news, one call.

09-18-2018

[audio] e-sex doll brothel in Toronto closed! Super storms, gunfire (pig and otherwise). Bay Areanarchist Book Fair, BASTARD conference: almost dead? Horrific impacts of air pollution, obesity. ITS supporters outed at 325nostate. Read from superb BAGR submission "Wolf Encounters." Black and Green podcast now at primalanarchy.org. Action briefs.

Speaker 1: Do your youngsters ever ask you? What did you do before television was invented? Now sometimes it's hard to answer that question in a way that they'll understand. We read. And we played out in the fresh air a lot more. At least that's what we tell the kids. But maybe there's another answer.

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Speaker 3: Kwva, Eugene. So you're listening to KWVA Eugene where it's Tuesday night 7:00 o'clock time for anarchy radio. I'm here in the studio with John. The number is 541-346-0645. Same as it is every week, and we're going to get ourselves all seated and situated here while we listen to. Some jazz.

Speaker 4: Anarchy radio yeah. September 18th. That was a group featuring Charlie Parker, Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie and a bunch of other All-Stars who were just looking it up 1953. Well, we're getting close to the fall equinox. Well, yes, I think I got. That right? And the big news, well, tongue in cheek. Of course. The big news you remember, I announced the opening of the electronic sex doll brothel in Toronto. The major thing, well, it's been closed. Health reasons. They didn't get any details, but Gee, that didn't last very long. The E6 doll brothel. Well, of course the big news was the Super Typhoon, Northern Philippines, South China. These storms, as they keep pointing out to us, are getting bigger and more. Severe, not to mention Hurricane Florence in the Carolinas and the environmental disaster to follow, which is already. Taking place due to the industrial agriculture and coal ash. Deposits and every contaminant that can be upset by. By huge flood. And sent every witch away. Well, otherwise in the news back to the violence back to the shootings. And we might say that here we have the pig murder of the month so far. In Dallas, September 6th, unarmed black man shot to death by a white cop in his own apartment. Wow, that maybe wins the prize. You know we're also seeing. I know these figures are going to be even higher this year. The number of cops getting shot. For example,, last Friday in Fort Worth. A cop was shot and in New York, in Queens. Early Friday this also Friday. A cop was shot at a red light. Some guy came up on a motorcycle and killed him. Meanwhile, 2 deputy sheriffs yesterday were shot near Sacramento, one fatally. And in your mass shootings, probably the biggie of this week was,. Last Wednesday last Wednesday night in Bakersfield, CA. 6 Dead Gunman kills 5 and Self in California rampage. Bakersfield just another freak out. And Israel seems to have something of answer to school shootings. An Israeli company says it has come up with a unique, unique item to protect against the threat of school shootings. A bulletproof backpack that transforms into a bulletproof vest. Yeah, the Masadarmor company. Yeah, deploys into a. Protective vest in less than two seconds. Wow, they and versions. Can stop handgun bullets. And the bigger the better. More expensive model. Can block rifle fire. That's the age we're at, and it isn't just America, it's the mass shootings. Well, I'm going to stick in some explicitly anarchist stuff. Some of it is really. Not so great, but. I'm curious about this and I besides the people who ponder. Putting through troll calls. I would love to hear from people who know something about. What happened this weekend, specifically the Bay Areanarchist book fair that happened on Saturday in Oakland? I didn't hear a thing about it. You know things are not going so smoothly. Not a lot of wonderful stuff happening. That's and I can blame myself to be part of the problem. I haven't been down to one of those in quite a while. For various reasons, but. I looked at the workshops and I was amazed this this really another sad benchmark I suppose. The workshops, some of them sounded real interesting. There were two or three that were Marxist if not Marxist Leninist. So when the Anarchy deal gets down to. Down toward empty the few mark Zoids that still are in existence still aren't. They extinct crawl out from under their rocks and then they are the workshops at the anarchist Book Fair. Apparently nobody knows nobody's paying attention. Nobody cares what anarchist means. It's that's appalling. He's this straight up. Marxist characters, it's really it's. And then the other thing,, the next day Sunday on the 16th. The old ******* deal. The Berkeley Anarchist Study group. Has its thing which is always related to the anarchist book fair. Same weekend and this happened from 2:50. With two days notice just like the anarchist book Fair, I believe neither of them posted anything. Before 2 days prior to the event. That in itself, but wow, that's probably pretty telling. And it was. It was held at the long haul in Berkeley, near the Oakland line. Not a very big space used to be on the UC Davis or UC Berkeley campus. UC Berkeley in a big hall. To accommodate people in workshops and so on. The workshops were. One was notes toward anarchist numerology. How about astrology? That's that's right up there in terms. Of serious No nonsense stuff I would say, and the this was the wrap up thing. In the afternoon anarchism in a futureless world. See, that's the that's the party line with some of these people in the Bay Area in the East Bay. Nothing can stop this horror show. There'll be no overcoming it, though absolutely not absolutely not. That's just. That's a given. That's dogma. Futureless world anarchism in a futurist. See, there's no point in anything. There's no future. There's no nothing, it's just a nightmare goes on and on. But we can still have anarchism. How ludicrous that is, you've given up everything. I don't know what anarchist means. If you just have already announced. No future. Wow, I'm brought down by this, but I'm not too surprised in. In either case, the book fair. At a real low ebb and now. Predictably, what happens at the ******* thing? Call in come on, you want to, you can. Because I cut you. Off if you disagree with me, that, not exactly. I'm afraid of still in this vein of. You know, in terms of. Unimpressive anarchist stuff. Or negative developments and this one. I thought of not even going there, but I'm going to anyway this. Is maybe we could park this in the bombshell? Department of the bombshell file. This from the website 325. No state. This came out on Sunday two days ago. And it has to do with our good friend Abe Contreras, who is called the show, not in the past year. I don't think, but a couple of times or so, way back., not that long ago, but., he's the editor of the pro, its journal Atass and its of course is individualists, tending toward the wild. Well, he's been outed. Supposedly his real name is [censored]. He's been outed because they consider IT has to be the eco fascist outfit. That loves random murder. And has issued death threats to Scott Campbell, myself and others. And they see [censored]. And his love affair with ITS as also rape culture and femicide, among other things. And they also boy, they gave the. They really did a number and I guess one could check it out because there are links. Connect with where he is, what he does, where he works. And his wife also. As the separate post about her whose. Of Vivisectionists, who's carried out various acts of torture on animals. She's another lovely person apparently, and. Yeah, it S the this 3325 people. It's just signed L initial L. And they point out that ITS has reveled. In the deaths of. Say Heather Heyer, who was killed by Neo Nazis last year in Charlottesville. And,, this,? This statement also says that Aragorn and his little black cart. Come in for will they give them a beating for complicity with its publishing. The eco fascists of Itts. Being buddies with. Abe Contreraz or [censored]. So I haven't seen any comment about this. I mean I don't do Facebook, so I may be missing a whole lot of back and forth about this, but it strikes me. There might be various things to say about this, and,. So it's 5413460645. If you want to air something, if you want to. Opine about this. Or something else? Think a little later. I'm going to been doing this a little bit previewing black and green review #6. Which you'll be out in a couple of months. Giving you a little taste of it, I want to read. From a really marvellous piece called Wolf encounters and this was submitted by one of our editors, said Ba GR. And they want to read from. Part of it toward the end of the essay. I think it's really great stuff. Oh, and Speaking of great stuff, black and green podcast. Kevin Tucker is now at primalanarchy.org. Some real substance there he really. Delivers a lot of stuff. And I forget where he's at now. #11 or #12 now. UM, at least an hour really worth checking out. Now it's at primal Anarchy. Dot org. OK. Oh yeah, well, let's go first of all or not, first of all, but some environmental news. This a striking thing. Was reported in the New York Times on Saturday the 15th. Horrible air. Terribly unhealthy air in Ukraine and Crimea. And a significant release of industrial pollution and ecological disaster which started in August. Thousands have been evacuated. Some acidified air like acid rain, sulfur waste thing. Is the biggest part of it apparently, and they're trying to. Shut down various factories before this gets even worse. Major health risks. Well, let's see. Well, the extreme heat all over Europe records all over the map in various countries. Outside of Europe as well. And the oceans, even the oceans are breaking temperature records. Now it's the things overall are cooling we're. Were in the last half of September, but. These dramatic Heat waves. And the backdrop of drought in many places. Part of it is the disruption of the planets, winds and ocean currents. So it's a lot of things. It's and the currents are. The directional ones and the also the up and down currents. Speaking of the oceans. So I don't want to really go back into that, but. You know it's affecting. All nature things. And the more on the coastal mega cities of the planet like Mumbai. They're facing catastrophe. You remember last month the coralla in Speaking of India South? Of Mumbai on the West. Side of India. Something like 250 deaths due to flooding. And wow, I don't think I got that much into it and I'm not going to go into detail tonight either. But Florida. The toxic algae just enormous. Especially on the Gulf Gulf Coast side. And it's not only Florida's very big disaster there, it's getting worse every year. It also invading New York Lakes. And it's somewhat something of a mystery. I don't know why, I guess it's just coming on so strong faster than. Was predicted, I'm not sure. Plastic, plastic, plastic again, this from the independent. In England we've heard about the garbage gyres these big swirling galaxies of garbage, garbage, patch zones, especially in the North Pacific. That's what we hear about the most here, I guess, but that's only one of five biggies. There are also these big garbage patch zones in the Mediterraneand Southeast Asia. We haven't talked about fracking a lot in. A while, but. The impact of fracking could grow by up to 50 * 50 fold. In some of the drier regions by 2030. It doesn't, predictably, is stronger impact and very dry places. The use of water as well as the contamination by hydraulic fracturing. Is is way up. Futurities has been announcing that a couple of times in the past months. The volume of brine laden wastewater that fracked oil and gas wells generated. During the first year of production, when they're used. All increased up by up to 14140%. So that's enormous. And with global warming as temperatures rise, Science News tells us so do insects appetites for corn and rice weed, et cetera. Hot or hungry or past likely to do. 10 to 15% more damage to grains for each warmer degree. It's quite a lot per. Pretty green. The puffins are vanishing. Plummeting numbers of those good old puffins remember that as a kid, seeing the picture of a. Puffin unique looking thing. Iceland the North Atlantic. They're disappearing there. The lamprey fish, not to be confused with lamprey, eels, lamprey fish in the Pacific Northwest. Also, hitting downward in numbers. Oh, and just today, the story about hypoxia, that's the oxygen free dead zones in the oceans. Those are going strong, lots of places, including there was this piece just today. In the Oregon Public Radio. For broadcasts Pacific Northwest Ocean floor and one doesn't think of that as cool as warm water or as having dead zones like, unlike the Gulf of Mexico, which is quite different way different than. Then the Pacific off the West Coast of North America. Anyway, they're bringing up a lot of dead crabs because of hypoxia on the ocean floor. Out West of Oregon. Out of the North Pacific. Haven't mentioned recalls in a while. Yeah, some whoppers there. Let's see, this,. Friday, the 7th Ford recalls 2,000,000 pickups. More problems with safety belts. Going to cost 140 million in. On the 12th, GM recalled over 240,000 vehicles to fix brakes. Rear brakes that. Increase the risk of a. Crash, it's nice that breaks. And,, let's see on the 13th. This just,, just auto recalls, not to mention food and other recalls, but GM. Another GM deal recalls over 1,000,000 pickups and SUV's because of power steering failures. Yeah, it's a good thing we have all this funded technology that can't. Build relatively simple stuff. Cars are more complex, but you'd think that some of these. Components or aspects like brakes. How hard is that? I don't know. Yeah, waiting for those calls come on. You can do better than trolls you can actually. Contribute to the discussion of some of these things. Doesn't have to be. About this outing of the Tasso duo, but it could be a challenge there. I know some people. Probably see this quite differently than the 325 folks. Probably do. Yeah, balls in your court. OK, well I think we'll take. The music break just a little bit early. I'm going to get back to this. I want to breathe this wolf thing, among other matters.

UNKNOWN: Signa fabrica Shut back down. Badoo star explorer.

Speaker 4: We are back. Carl and I waiting for your phone calls you had a while there. To ponder it. Anyway, let's go on to some health and happiness stuff. If you pardon the irony, well, there was a piece. End of August in the New York Times called gloom in world's happiest nations. Referring to Scandinavian countries. Which have been rated as pretty jolly, relatively, but this. The gloom here has to do with youth unhappy lonely youth and guess what it's related to. Social media. You got it and today more. Slightly more recent thing. New York Times Gallup Global poll didn't know there was such a thing. Talking about dark times in this pole, contact to 154,000 people from 145 countries. Survey of people's emotional lives. Well worry stressed. Sadness at the highest ever point and let's see getting back to some. Empirical, ? Explicit physiological environmental stuff. Air pollution global air pollution shaves a year off of human life expectancy course. This varies. It's the average. Global's take on this it shaves off four months if you live in the US. Or four years in the northern city of Patna. They single out that city is. Really horrible air. Yeah, data from the global burden of disease project. And there was something something here about how. Particles of air pollution. I think for the first time. Yeah, here it is. From the Guardian on Sunday the 16th. Scientists have found the first evidence that particles of air pollution travel through pregnant women's lungs and lodged in their placentas. This from. Doctor Lisa Miyashitat Queen Mary, University of London. It's the new study. City particles in the placentas of each of their babies? Quite possible they say that the particles entered the fetuses too. Yeah, even more frightening. Whereas this from fraternity. But 10 days ago, city dwelling kids who immerse themselves in a South American jungle. And ate the high fiber, unprocessed diet of local villagers. Villagers had more diverse gut microbes than before they visited. Yes, you can probably guess that this a study led by Gloria Dominguez Bello of Rutgers University. With possible relevance to. Those with obesity type one diabetes and other disorders or who are? Worrying about the onset of such conditions. Yeah, these seven. City dwelling adults and kids. Lived in a remote Venezuelan jungle village without electricity, soap or other amenities for 16 days. Well, that didn't take long for this to. That they could register such a change. Well, we've got the African swine fever. Which broke out in China. A little confusing there. But,. This causing a. Pork shortage in China? Hmm and deadly Ebola in Congo. That's for real. That seems to just not go away, or if it does. Ebola just returns. Rising levels of carbon dioxide. This just another. Sort of side effect of CO2 in the atmosphere. It decreases the concentrations of vital vital vitamins and minerals such as proteins, iron and zinc in crops. In vegetation. Remember350.org, that was the were. Were drawing the line. So lying in the sand won't let it go past 350 while it's just past 400 parts per million. This CO2 quotient. Certainly for the first time in history. Yeah, at Harvard School of Public Health. Warrants that if this keeps going, people will become zinc deficient, protein deficient, and so forth in the hundreds of 1,000,000. CBS this like a week or so old. Reports a steep and sustained spike in sexually transmitted diseases. According to another. New analysis cases of gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia. All increased in 2017, making it the fourth straight year in which STD infections continued to rise. You know, this absence of health. And vitality all these things. You know they? I don't know how you really separating any of them out. OK, just a little bit more on this. This from the Yale School of Public Health. Air pollution again this case causes quote a huge reduction intelligence. Toxic air. As well as. Other things making us stupid. Has to do with the fact that the world is 95% breathing unsafe air. 95% of the global population. High pollution levels led to significant drops in test scores. Language math so forth. Equivalent to losing a year of the person's education. And a global rise in cancer predicted this year almost 10 million deaths. Some a slight measure of good news futurity. The website Futurity announced today that. Americans are eating less processed meat and red meat still a lot, but it's going down. Meanwhile obesity. This came out last week. Obesity tops 35% in seven states was only five states two years ago. Remember well, this something very cool after all that. Necessary, but bummer news. I'm going to read from Wolf encounters. Pretty darn sure this will appear in Bagr #6. A lot of this very intense, amazing. Personal encounters with wolves that the writer has had. He just talks about them and what it was like and. And ponders various things. Really, really great stuff. This a little bit toward the end. He's getting into the question of dogs. A very noticeable incident occurred a few years ago while I was staying in a remote village in far West China. Numerous straight dogs roamed the village, some were friendly and until mid beggars some were shy and obviously suffering trauma from some type of abuse. Others were hostile, snarling and barking. Obviously suffering. Trauma from some type of abuse. One day I went for a walk in the adjacent forest and a small dog started following me. I recognized it was one of the beggar dogs that the locals had been hissing at and shoving away earlier in the village. The dog kept his distance but nonetheless followed my every move. I called. I called him to me and he just stood still. I kept calling and he slowly moved forward, unconfident that I was to be trusted. But he seemed to be following because of his curiosity about me. A stranger who appeared different than the village folk he was familiar with. He refused to come close and let me pet him, so I kept walking and he kept following. When we returned to the village, I went to my cabin and the dog ran down the. Code later this later that same night I came out of the cabin and the dog was there. I gave him some food. He let me pet him for a while and seemed happy. The next day I had planned to climb a high mountain just outside. The village. I left the cabin early in the morning after about an hour on the trail. I turned around to find a small dog there wagging his tail at me. He had tracked me down and ended up spending the entire day with me climbing all the way to the summit of the mountain and then staying with me for the entire return. This semi feral dog and I had developed. Bond at my cabin again. I fed him. I felt so emotional about my bonding experience with this dog so bad about him staying out in the cold. I decided to let him to bring him into the cabin for the night, but after about 10 minutes he began scratching on the door wanting out. He didn't want to stay in a confined and heated room all night. He was fully adapted to being out roaming with his pack of strays. But that did not stop him from verifying the mutually beneficial social bond. He and I had created in doing his daily rounds of visitation. Excuse me with me for the remainder of my stay there. I never had time for another big hike, but I'm. Positive when I went into the mountains for another walk or hunting and gathering he would have very likely showed up again. Out of nowhere to accompany me, this scenario was perhaps. Just a few steps forward in social evolution, between hominid and canid. From that of my later experience with the Tan brown wolf. The autonomous self-reliance of a stray dog has a lot of wildness about it, but also when it interacts with random humans and office and often simultaneous essence of social bonding and symbiosis mutually beneficial in regard to both emotional experience and species grounding even without a subsistence format. Yet I will attest that the subsistence. Component makes the bonding even more extreme. Various people whose dogs accompany them for hunting will strongly agree. Our relationship with dogs seems always to have been a special one, intimate, communicative bonding and socially binding. But we never needed to make dogs our dependents. This becomes the problem. When we make our pets helplessly dependent on us sapping the wildness out of them leading to their living in a perpetual state of fear. This also what self domestication is done to hominins tamed us, enslaved us to relationships of hierarchy domination and socio ecological alienation. That for our current survival, most now dare not break. In full cognizance of the offensive sensitivities involved here, I should be honest that what we have done to our dogs is an accurate analogy to our own domestication and highlights also how our relationships with domesticated animals shape us in our possibilities. It is ironic that for many who dedicate their lives to otherwise helpless pets. The capacity to break free of domestication at all becomes greatly hindered. I've seen this often with various dog owners. Every choice in life revolves around pet sitting. The now helpless and eternally needing dog needy dog. And it seems that once enveloped in this mutually reinforcing domestication, symbiosis neither the dog nor the human has much capacity for shedding domestication. Domesticated humans will make the same choices they do for themselves as they do. For their pets. Domestication is a mutually reinforcing positive feedback loop. My encounters with wolves provide something antithetical to this. The wolf genes know the long range, functional, sustainable and resilient symbiosis wildness. The wolf wants the relationship, but not at the expense of her autonomy. So it uses that relationship to its advantage both for subsistence and sociality. Sharing the power of its beautiful night song under a starlit sky. While some wolves and humans have been caught tricked into becoming tamed, and others have even volunteered in the momentary illusion that life will be easier on the other side of the threshold, others, both wolves and some hominins get it. They see the trick and don't allow themselves to be caught. They maintain their wild autonomy, autonomy, and run away howling into the night. Laughing at the naive domesticates who make attempts to control. Them, but we walk on shaky ground ever more vulnerable to the programmers and deceivers with the spirit of the wolf in its blood. The chained and barking dog is fighting for its life. It wants out to be free and run wild in this. With time it will learn not to snarl that the others surrounding it are not its enemies. To be perpetually feared. Likewise, the chained embarking modern human also wants to be free, but most of these have no mental baseline for how to get there. No reference point other than what they observe and are fed by the economic, digital, and technological world. Wolves are reference point hunter gatherers are reference point, wild autonomy is the baseline. Every experience I have while actually attempting to live in wildness, especially my experiences in shared space and relationship with wild others make this core reality continuously and increasingly clear. I love that and the whole thing, I think. Will be in black and green review #6. Pretty sweet. All right, well, she's a lot of. Text if I don't know how. I don't know how much we'll get sinking in just a little bit of resistance type stuff. Mostly Alf I don't have. Very much of this but interesting piece at it's going down called on the side of society against civilization subtitled. From Virginia to Roja. And this contrasts very strongly with the book I was talking about a couple of weeks ago. That I got from a friend. Via friend from Turkey that is. Who is saying? What's going this? Is this has to do with the PKK essentially? Led by Ocalan who's been in prison for almost 20 years now. And the offshoots like YPJ and YPG in Rojava. These anti authoritah. In resistance groups there and I just one more reason I wish wish Paul Simon were with us because he had a lot of. He had a lot of experience. He had a lot of insights into. How these groups are functioning? Well, get back to get back to the book. That was about the PKK and its boss. Ocalan, and his supposed shift to Murray Bookchin. And he, the book argues that's just window dressing, that it's still extremely authoritarian out outfit, even though it's no longer Marxist Leninist, it's. Supposedly social ecology oriented and he tried to show in the book that. The hierarchical top down thing was still there, very much so despite the rhetoric of the. Books and type anarchy going on so. You know, this guy Oakland has written 4 volumes of something called a manifesto for a democratic civilization and in volume one he talks about the roots of civilization and how civilization has been the same for. Its 6000 years fundamentally. So I wish this another call for help here because. While there he has some very good points that it's very clear and he talks. Ocalan talks about process community. In a similar vein as. Books and his shoes. Any blueprint, organization or anything else to be imposed. Yet the book I cited says that's just. That's really funny, so I think what could explain it as I applied before is that these groups are autonomous. They don't take orders from Ocalan, and what their views are as to the authenticity of how far Ocalan himself has gone, is somewhat irrelevant. Perhaps that would explain it. So yeah, and it really has sounded to me like. There are these groups that are very radical, very feminist. Very much. Very anti thorarin. So we'll see hope to get some more insight on that. Well, let's see. Three weeks ago a raid in Sweden HJOIS of the city or the town is pronounced or spelled. Great big. Action there thousands of mink released following anti fur demo. The owner of this big fur farm has thrown in the towel he's done, he said. Too much. Resistance, real resistance and. They put them out of business. Let's see, here's some pretty cool AF types of three hunting towers destroyed in northern Wisconsin. So much of this from Bite Back magazine comes from Europe. This a USA thing. Down with speciesism Long live wild anarchy. Yeah, they wrecked these hunting towers. Some of these things are really well equipped. It isn't just a little. A little stand but and another mink farm thing. This near Venice, northeastern Italy. An office and a warehouse of this mink farm were set alight €300,000 in damage. And last year at the same place, same outfit. A van was torched and thousands of mink were freed. They really target some of these things and maybe this going to be or possibly already is another ex mink farm. 5413460645 we're getting to the coral magic hour, the last-5 or 10 minutes. And getting those vibrations free phone call. We've got to get to a little bit of the tech stuff. Yeah, more on how game developers are making it hard for players to stop. Wall Street Journal piece on that. Wall Street Journal last Friday. Quite an article about smartphones and cars being tainted by the reality of cobalt mining in Congo. Really awful conditions. It's well known really, it's quite horrible. There's a growing demand for cobalt lithium batteries, everything high tech needs lithium or needs cobalt, primarily because of the lithium batteries. Yeah, front page piece. Of all places, the Wall Street Journal. Well, maybe there's a ray of life here there’s been a lot more written about dumb phones. Are super minimalist phones. Available to somewhat escape social media. Well, actually to escape because these phones don't have that connection. Yeah, apparently there's more. More of that under way instead of wanting the smartphone that haves every conceivable capacity and every conceivable hookup. No, that's Some people certainly don't want that. That's not what they're opting for. And all of these things. This a well known theme I'm afraid, but. If you want to control for example people controlling their children's access. To social mediand all the rest of it. Google has something called Family Link. Which involves kids under 13 having their own Google accounts. But Family Link allows the parents to set screen time limits and even lock the devices down when it's time for a break. Block different apps and so forth. Yeah, if you are Google you can. You can get this. Boy, thousands of what was the name of this thing today. No, I can't find the thing today, but. Well, never mind. It's there are all kinds of apps for everything in terms of Facebook and oh, there was a story today. At verge About how. About how Facebook has been getting financial data from banks through one of their apps. Dirty pool and of course they claim altogether,, protection and privacy and so forth. But yeah, this just came out today. That they've been. Is it? I can't think of the name of the particular app, but it's supposedly as I understood, it's supposedly an app to do more or less the opposite, but they're using it as a way to get into,. People's data. From the banks. And that's just pretty blatant. That is. Learning and memory. Oh yeah, Oh yeah, this. This good. This depends on. It comes from. Owing to studies of mice so. That is crazy to because anyway, the Journal of Neuroscience last week. Came out with the study. Having to do with the brains of obese mice. They found that rogue immune cells chomp nerve cell connections that are important for learning and memory. So yeah, it's an immune cell assault. Based on obesity., that's that? That's what they are trying to. Isolate this a function of obesity. These are fat mice who. Or dumb and can't remember anything according to the September issue of Journal of Neuroscience. Yeah, with some implications. Well, of course they're putting their hopes on drugs that stop the synapse destruction. Which may work to protect the brain against the immune cells cell. Not being obese, not being on your phone every second, then sedentary at the screen. This might be a more fundamental. Recipe or prescription? Well, oh gosh, I started to think somebody was going to call, but. You know it's predictable. You get this snarky stuff. You get the. You get the. The trolls and I'm got a minute. I think we're going to just bow out slightly early, but a friend of mine found out that the Bay Areanarchist news crowd. Has been coordinating the efforts to disrupt anarchy radio with calls. Somebody logged in to their IRC server. They found out that they have a channel as sort of a chat room. Involving people that are directed to listen to the show and comment, . Comment negatively, no doubt. But the but the real point here is the. Is that people would stoop that low to. To try to troll the show. That's it's awfully weak. But I guess they don't have what it takes to just phone and. Be straight up about something. Well, I don't know we've got somebody on the line and we'll see if there's time or. A reason to get on this thing looks like no. No, OK, Carl is not disclosing the nature. Of the call anyway. Thanks for listening. And yeah, I wasn't going to even bring that other thing up, but I had a minute or two to stoop to that sad. Yeah, and nobody comments they can't. Respond apparently to anything. Maybe that's why the book fair and the ******* thing are just,. Pitiful and nobody even bothers to not. Not that they have. To call this. This radio project, but I didn't see anything anywhere about that. Well onward and upward going to have some more exciting, uplifting things. I'm sure including a guest as were talking about that probably week after next. Can be pretty exciting. Thanks for listening.

Speaker 2: I see the chance. I remember some. I see.

UNKNOWN: I see the white.

Speaker 2: Baseball diamonds Nice weather down there. I see the school. And the houses where the kids. Places to park. And those factories and building. Restaurants and bars. For later in the evening. Work together. See the Parkway.

UNKNOWN: That passes.

Speaker 2: Through them all. I wouldn't. I wouldn't do where most people do. I wouldn't live. If you.

Speaker 3: This itself.

Speaker 2: I guess the air is clean. I guess those people. Have fun with that. Neighbors and friends look at that kitchen. And all of that. Then they bring it to the store. They put it in the title. I wouldn't.

Speaker 4: You hate.

Speaker 2: I wouldn't live like that. I want to live.

09-11-2018

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Nike bets on radical message for profits. Cartoon of the week: "What I did online this summer." Hyperobjects, by Timothy Morton. More on loneliness epidemic. Can tech be reversed? Emoji shortcuts, Rio Grande almost dead. "The Unbearable Darkness of Young Adult Literature." Hospitals' insane War on Superbugs. Resistance news, two calls.

09-04-2018

[audio] Caller-host etiquette, the Mighty international reach of Anarchy Radio. JZ reads BAGR submissions on human nature and outreach. Resistance news (mostly ALF). Anti-Pinker "Rise of Organized Brutality' by Sinisa Malesevic. Birds on Prozac, thickest Arctic sea ice melting. Google moderates 2 billion, its Smart Reply thinks, replies for us. Kids conditioned by robots.

08-28-2018

[audio] Cliff co-hosts. Early symbolism but Homo not defined by it. Lure of social media fading. North America's first high tech sex doll brothel. Apocalyptic forecast for California's environment, California student suicide string. Four calls.

08-21-2018

[audio] Shudu, world's first digital supermodel, Georgia pigs taser 87 year-old salad greens seeker. Things WERE better before modernity. JZ reads "Age of Grief," Adorno and redemption. More on bad effects of sitting, iPhone addiction possibly waning even as Pacific Crest Trail hiking experience devalued by phone use. Resistance briefs, two calls.

08-14-2018

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. AR listeners swamp free Fifth Estate offer! Neo-Nazi rally in DC: miniscule. Fires and civilization, mass shootings spread. From the Pleistocene to the Plasticene but social media corporations slide. Anarchy in Portland OR. Accelerationism? Resistance briefs, five calls.

08-07-2018

[audio] Arcata weekend. FIRES. Schools now feel need of mass shooting insurance. Read my "The Puzzle of Symbolic Thought." In-depth report on CHAGS conference. Action briefs, two calls.

07-31-2018

[audio] An hour with Peter Werbe, long-time Fifth Estate editor.

07-24-2018

[audio] Corrosive Consciousness clarified.. Severe global temps, fires; heat boosting suicide rates. News from CHAGS, Faces of wage-slavery. "People Who Do Not Need People," "The Face as Technology," anti-mortality movements. "How Tech's Richest Plan to Save Themselves from the Apocalypse." Millennials skip travel that isn't Instagrammable.

07-17-2018

[audio] "Breath at the threshold" by Joan Kovatch. 2.1 million year-old tools, pre-domestication bread. Over-heating, drought, fires, 4 mile wide Greenland iceberg event. Time now measurable at 100 billionth of a second. Good discussion of basic questions. Action briefs, 4 calls.

07-10-2018

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. World heat wave, ways to poison planet. "Strikingly humanlike" foot of 3.3 million year-old 3 year-old. Human No More book: anthropology in an increasingly place-less cyber world. High-tech Nagano, Japan, a ghost town. ES-100 from Tanita tells you if you smell, renders noses obsolete. Should children be polite to robot voices? Hyundai - "a new mobility is coming." Action briefs, three calls.

07-03-2018

[audio] Pixar movies very anti-tech future as tech engulfs reality. Mass shootings go global, planetary over-heating updates e.g. Arctic Ocean melts into Atlantic. Japanese island hermit forced back into civ. Timehop gives one self, memory. Robots and consciousness, manners. But mostly calls re: last week's phone-ins, five calls.

06-26-2018

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. She reports on ICE occupation in Portland. "I Really Don't Care. Do U?" :What statement /meaning? Suicide watch, near and far, what it is saying. Eco disaster of the week, Racist pig murder of the week. Two calls.

06-19-2018

[audio part 1] [audio part 2] More on suicide, depression, drugs. What is AR mostly trying to do? Drought vs. flooding. Venezuela. Anti-civ getting some notice at last. (Un-)health news. (Google) ad of the week. Some resistance news, discussion of The Brilliant, Anews podcast. 5(!) calls.

06-12-2018

[audio] Two offerings on "The Case Against Philosophy." Suicide news...a culture of suicide? Fires, drought, water woes, indoor pollution. Horror movies, comic book movies. Anti- work, anti-voting. Ever more isolation. The novel Break.Up. Swedish kid drowns while crowd takes photos, blocks rescue. Driverless cars to increase congestion as Hyundai proclaims advent of "a new era of mobility." Verizon: We Didn't Wait for the Future. We Build it. Enormity of tech, of distrust of it. One call.

06-05-2018

[audio] Tribe by Sebastian Junger, LA Book Review's "The New Primitives" by Ben Etherington. Indigenous video and panel at U of O Longhouse May 30. Weekly news of the Onslaught on the physical, social, personal worlds. Barbara Ehrenreich's Natural Causes. Domesticated fish going deaf. Eating alone, Lynq vs. lynx. Stone tools. Ads of the week, political and resistance reports. One call.

05-29-2018

[audio] "Space: The Final Socialist Frontier?" - In These Times (David Graeber's outlet). Black Seed #6: "ambiguity" its watchword(!) The Case Against Philosophy read by JZ. Almost incredible eco news briefs, ditto latest tech developments as civilization displays extremes of ever more anti-life aspects. (Suburu) ad of the week, resistance news. [Kathan co-hosted May 8 episode]

05-15-2018

[audio] A fun and stimulating hour with friend and vivid anarchist Rotn.

05-08-2018

[audio] Kentucky Derby and domestication. Oppositional energy on upswing internationally. Backwoods zine. 700,000 year-old sea voyaging to Philippines. Ad of the Week: Verizon: "We're Not Waiting for the Future, We're Building It." Disease epidemics now chronic, from e-coli to ebola. Massive pollution from international shipping. Geoengineering trashed; raves for Camila Power. Action news, one call.

05-01-2018

[audio] May announcements. Avengers(!) Varieties of violence. Japan's 'rent-a-relative' phenomenon. Water, birds disasters. Even more on loneliness. Ad of the week: Splunk (Data uber alles). Disaffection with technology? More costs of tech. Camila power, Jerome Lewis: superb radical anthropology videos. Action briefs, 3 calls.

04-24-2018

[audio] anti-civ.net, JZ on SPELLBOUND, OPB (May 2). Critique of Graeber and Wengrow essay. Ad of the Week: Dropbox (meaningful work"!), as Big Data means further deskilling among other things. People connected to nature take 90% fewer selfies, lower anxiety. Geoengineering madness possibly nearing, more on antibiotic-resistant bacteria. Extreme weather news, birds in serious decline, Atlantic circulation slows gravely, signatures disappearing. Action briefs, two calls.

04-17-2018

[audio] Elijah sits in. State of Global Air study: over 98% breathe unsafe air as civilization poisons the planet. The Disconnect - "Join us on Twitter"(!) Singer The Weekend: death and decay in society at Coachella. This Land of Strangers by Bob Hall: epidemic aloneness with mass migration to online "life." 5G iphones: a massive radiation upgrade. Action briefs.

04-10-2018

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Apple's lie about its clean energy. Zero privacy, digital lives. "Generation Z Already Bored by the Internet." "Ardi Walked the Walk [like us] 4.4 Million Years Ago." 58,000 homeless in LA, imperialism of modern medicine, enormous oil spills. Journey Towards the Abyss #4, BAGR podcast #6. Action news, one call.

03-27-2018

[audio] Trump and Jensen Ban Transgender Troops. JZ reads "The Spectacular Growth and Failure of Cities." Earth Hour confronts climate change! World's largest cruise liner and other mass society disasters. Graeber, another disaster. Pacific plastics patch twice the size of Texas. Steph Clark, another black murdered by cops. Oxford prize paper: on genetic "disenhancement" of industrial animals. Consumer Reports: How to Quit Facebook." Action briefs, two calls.

03-20-2018

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Stay away from Facebook! Teens, elderly anxious. "In Praise of ADHD"(!) Pop songs depict very dreary zeitgeist. SF Bay Area, Easter Island sub- siding. "How to Make AI Human-Friendly." Data is all. "Let's Put Smart To Work: IBM" "It's Time to Make Human-Chimp Hybrids (humanzees)." Two calls.

03-06-2018

[audio] GUNS! DGR at E-Law; Trans hater Jensen at Eugene Public Library. Failed academic and bad writer David Graeber fails with new effort. The usual eco-horrors of the week (e.g. extinction, pollution news). Digitally interact with the dead. UK kids increasingly unable to hold pens + pencils due to tech use. "Will 2018 Be the Year of the Neo-Luddites?" Action news.

02-27-2018

[audio] Cliff co-hosts. FRR's send-up of Anarchy Radio. "What's Up With Derrick Jensen?" Hunter-gatherer story-telling. 32* at the North Pole - 50 degrees above normal. "Tech Eyes the Ultimate Start-Up: An Entire City." Alexa everywhere, action briefs, crypto-currencies NOT de-centralized.

02-20-2018

[audio] Cliff and JZ on latest shooting massacre. CO2 is now 407 parts per million - hello, 350.org? ASMR: pseudo-intimacy. Orangutans face extinction, 13 year-old Gulf of Mexico oil leak, Bering Sea ice disappearing. More Dead Cops. Algorithms in law, health, etc. Jeff Bezos' 10,000 year clock, Elon Musk: we must merge with the Machine. Action briefs, two calls.

02-13-2018

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Epidemic of loneliness, epidemic of despair. Life expectancy slipping. Pinker's new, nutso Enlightenment Now. Narcissism e.g. "The Bride May Now Kiss Herself." Few anarchists seem to notice what's happening in society at large. Missile proliferation - like the rest of technology. Open season cops. Sea level rise accelerating, extinction crisis in Australia, enormous East China Sea oil spill. E-skin. What is resistance? Action news.

02-06-2018

[audio] Black and Green Review #5. Worsening media, recycling, mass transportation blues. My BDYHAX weekend in Austin. Childless futures, mercury from melting Arctic, species extinctions in Irish waters. Action news, three calls.

01-30-2018

[audio] Last Wed.: 50 Years of 1968 at Oregon State; next weekend: BDYHAX in Austin. Oceans strongly warming as well as rising, acidifying. Shootings point toward collapse in America. Bad coral reef, light pollution news. Mil- lennials increasingly withdrawn, stay-at-home. VR soon to include "human" touch. Devumi: fake accounts, fake users in a fake techno world. Action news.

01-23-2018

[audio] O'odham elder and activist Ofelia Rivas, by phone on increasing border militarization and surveillance. Crazed weather, (school) shooting of the week, cities in crisis globally, end of civ looming? Geo-engineering? Robot Holocaust survivor? Stores with no-one there, nature walks - by phone. Sex dolls the same as Facebook in terms of avoiding human contact? Minister for Loneliness in Britain. Wolves' comeback in Europe, action briefs, two calls.

01-16-2018

[audio] Rising level of militancy (e.g. Iran, Tunisia, Sudan, NYC fast-food workers, forest defenders)? JZ on the road, getting published - despite postmodern nay-sayer. Shooting (stabbing) of the week, E. Antarctica unstable, snow getting scarce, fresh- water acidifying. 8 million tons of plastics into oceans annually. Infoshop.org is back - back to 1800s? Latest ITS extinctionist pathology. Craft, by Alexander Langlands. Action news, calls from OH and FL. Ofelia Rivas next week.

Speaker 1: Do your youngsters ever ask you? What did you do before television was invented? Now sometimes it's hard to answer that question in a way that they'll understand we. And we played out in the fresh air a lot more. At least that's what we tell the kids. But maybe there's another answer.

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Speaker 3: KWVA, Eugene you

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Speaker 4: Well, you are listening to KWVA Eugene once again on a Tuesday night. It's time for anarchy radio. I'm here with John and the palatial KWV studios. Where we're reclining in our deck chairs and waiting for your call at 541-346-0645. While we all get situated here, let's do this. Philip Glass and David Bowie thing.

Speaker 2: I will be king and you. You'll be crazy. We'll drive them away.

Speaker 5: We can be here just one day. Can you?

Speaker 3: And that's a fact.

Speaker 5: Yes, we're lovers. We'll keep us together.

Speaker 1: We can be heroes.

Speaker 2: I wish

Speaker 1: Like dolphins We can beat them. Never never.

UNKNOWN: All we can be heroes. Just for one day.

Speaker 7: Yes, sorry. We had heroes last week. We had the Motörhead. Version of Heroes alrighty, Okie Dokie it's January 16th Anarchy Radio. Get a number of announcements. And so for us to begin. Well, last week Catherine was here was very joyous. It's always highlight next week we'll be having Ophelia Rivas. By phone going to do an interview with her had her once before some years ago. She's a hotel. From the reservation in southern Arizonand one of the main things. We get to talk with her about is the integrated fixed towers. A further projected step on the militarized militarizing border. And the autumn reservation is half in the US and half in Mexico. And they need a passport to travel on their own land, and they've got the Border Patrol, the Homeland Security. The whole thing is. Is really something I've been. People like Ophelia has been harassed. By the different jurisdictions, including the tribal governance. But she is something else, and she's she's just hanging in there. It's just such a pleasure to know her and. I've had the opportunity to get together with her a few times. In recent years. So we'll be calling her up a little bit past the hour and getting to that. Yeah, this about the Toronto autumn. Folks in that particular. I don't know how to even describe it, but that they're really in the crosshairs. They have been for a long time. In many ways, and this just. To an even more focused rigorous. Assault that they're trying to publicize. The development of these towers. These surveillance towers. Radar towers, if there's a way to ramp up the way to spy on people and hassle people. They're doing it or they're going to try to do it, and she's she's talking about the impact and what this all about. What it has to do with them? What it has to do with the environment so? Anyway, next week. And this something for folks in the areat Corvallis at Oregon State University, which is 40 miles north of here. North of Eugene. Next Wednesday the 24th. I was very cordially talked into being part of a panel and discussion thing. It's going to be at the library the posters are coming out today. I don't have the exact details, but it's called 50 years of 1968. And It’s mainly a discussion and this they've been having this on different campuses as part of the platypus organization I understand. And I get the feeling it's how do we revive the left? When they contacted me I said I'm anti left probably got the wrong person. But they persisted, and so we'll see what happens. So probably a little fur will fly with these mainly Marxist people, and you never know who's going to turn up anyway. At 7:00 o'clock on the 21st. At OHSU campus, at the library, and. Well, next the. Next Tuesday's show. The 23rd will have more details, but anyway it will. It'll be easy to find and I think there's. Informationline already. And Saturday, February 3rd. It's the body hex thing. This crazy transhumanist festival of some kind in Austin. I'll be there to Duke it out with them. I'm going to stoop to another that I, ever fail to stoop to some lower levels. But one thing that's been bugging me and I know I'll never get to talk to them directly about this, but. Eric Gordon has been saying how over the hill I am, how I'm sore because. Everything's left me behind, and no one wants to hear from me and. Variations on that same theme repeatedly. It's a little annoying. So yeah, I've been a little busy. It's not like I'm gloating or whining or pining in the corner and. Growing my beard long, It’s not really the case. In fact, in this past week, actually just in the half of this past week, a couple of interesting things. My friend Devaraj india has told me that palmball. Which is the biggest and the biggest Hindi language literature and political periodical there? Is publishing stuff I've. Written and. And they want to do more. And from Turkey there is a cultural scene, which is apparently the most they say. It's among the very most popular. Publications in Turkey called Tuaf dergi. They contacted me. They want to do a niche issue and I said to say, well, I'm trying to think how can I work my thinking into talking about niche and I just quickly gave it up and I said I don't consider niche all that interesting or relevant or radical quite frankly. But thank you for asking. So they go well, we want to have your stuff we want to. We want to publish it. And forget about niche and so wow that was it was pleasantly surprised so. Just trying to get the point across that no, I'm not exactly finished up and I was thinking about AK Press which refuses to carry my books. Only the very first one elements refusal. I don't know why it's the oldest one, but there's another six and they won't touch them. And a news podcast. Some of the folks that think I'm just. Out of it altogether out of the picture they have been taking to, they give their weekly review of what's been happening with the podcast and so forth. They've taken to saying nothing about anarchy radio. Come on people like this. These these outfits you can't contend with ideas. I guess you just sort of suppress them, ignore them, and then deal at these cheap shots. So anyway, I've wasted a few minutes on that. The larger picture this week, I think, is somewhat encouraging. We will see what happens. We'll see if this goes anywhere, but you look at Iran, Tunisia, Sudan. Things are boiling up a little bit and they say the New York City fast food workers. They've doubled their wages. If there's a surge of militancy there. Other Wildcats in different places, and I think I'll probably save that. Any details on that for the Action News segment. So maybe there's a little bit of upturn here in the deep winter. Part of the year. And one thing that I always save, just feel so good about is black and green review. It's been at the printers for three weeks now. Yeah, three weeks, 4 weeks and it's coming out very soon. I think we'll be getting copies by the end of this week. It'll be shipped. Within the week, I think so. Marvelous 280 pages. Lots and lots of stuff in issue. #5, we're already working on #6 and I'm really excited about that. Let's see, oh I'm going to get back to the news podcast for a second. And by the way, I've noticed it's getting briefer and briefer. Every week I don't know if that's the long term trend of several weeks now, partly because they don't talk about this show. Maybe that's part of it. Anyway, the editorial I thought was interesting. It's called. Subverting the techno dystopia in a very excellent beginning, they do a good job and briefly sketching. We are in the techno dystopia. It's just so immersive and so awful and they give. They give good words to that. It's a marvelous, brief description of that. But they go on to say that. You got a choice between the war on technology or the primitivists. Of course war on nature. That's really absurd. That after all these years, you still don't get what the what rewilding means. For example, you still have no. Notion at all. Up from anthropology that. People were not warring. On nature for millions of years. Really quite the opposite. I mean, that's just anthropology 101. You shouldn't bring up this stuff if you don't don't know anything or don't want to know. Thing publishing things like against anthropology. No, I don't want to know how people have lived. I don't care about any evidence or anything we might contemplate in terms of. How we might? What we might try, or what we might be inspired by. Yeah, so rewelding means war on nature and that's just it's really incredible. It’s Trump level of. Of misinformation. Yeah, sorry about that. Info Shop is back. This a big surprise. I almost never checked because for years there was nothing there. I mean that was going several years ago. A very active anarchist. Website, Well, it's back. It's full of stuff just in the past week. I think it was. But I have to mention the lead piece, the big story. They give it the big prominence FAQ number one that's frequently asked questions number one. What would anarchist society look like? And sadly enough, it's just this leftist 19th century deal. It's all about equality and no hierarchy and freedom and blah blah blah blah blah, and apparently they're just fine with mass production with industrialism. And hence fine with mass society. Which really is its product. They don't touch that, so there's still. Back there, worshipping the factories. I guess that they'll. Of course they'll be. There'll be a lot of. Equality and so on. Yeah, that's really sad. They come back after all this time having. Maybe not learned anything, but there are interesting things there. But aside aside from that, I think there are there. There's some real. Energy going on and they have various stories and you can sort it out, but. Yeah infoshop.org, it's just been in hibernation really for a long time. Well in Montecito that rich suburb of Santa Barbara, the death toll rises. It's just another. Traffic, sad case of when humans have no contact with the land with the earth and they keep doing the same. And saying stuff and guess what happens? You see it. Over and over. In your. Detached from that connection that communion. Then it'll. And we get to the place where things will be uninsured as the whole. Climate crisis deepens. Property they won't be able to insure it, it just we'll get to that stage and then that'll really be. Anyway, we got somebody.

Speaker 4: There yeah, yeah, we have Ken here.

Speaker 7: Ken, OK.

Speaker 3: Hey John, how's it going?

Speaker 7: OK and real good, how are you?

Speaker 3: Oh, pretty good just representing Youngstown. OH for you.

Speaker 7: OK.

Speaker 3: It's been a while since I've called.

Speaker 7: Yeah, what's going on?

Speaker 3: What I call the recommended book. I haven't listened to your show few weeks that you might have talked about it before, but it's called a new path by Arthur Haynes. Have you heard of it?

Speaker 7: I have not your new path, Arthur Haynes.

Speaker 3: Yeah he's a plant taxonomist in Maine. He the subtitle is to transcend the great for getting through, incorporating ancestral practices into contemporary living. And it's pretty, it's all everything about rewilding and there's. There's a lot of good stuff in her nutrition. You know, restoring land.

Speaker 8: Your book.

Speaker 3: Yeah, I just he just. I just got it about six weeks ago and about halfway through it definitely recommend it.

Speaker 7: OK, well it sounds inviting it's subtitle really packs a punch. It's in itself, huh?

Speaker 3: Yeah he. He's actually starting some community. I think it's called. Wilder Waters community where he's trying to have some. Families get together with common interests, and I think he had. He still has what was called the Delta Institute. I'm not sure if he still runs it or not, but it was. You know, rerouting skills and things like that.

Speaker 7: All right, and that's Haynes.

Speaker 3: Excuse me

Speaker 7: Haynes Haynes is that it.

Speaker 3: Haines, yeah It’s pretty solid. He's he's pretty solid too. I've heard him before on. Couple different podcasts, but yeah, he's It’s.

Speaker 7: OK.

Speaker 3: It's certainly worth checking out.

Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that's new to me. I'm going to take a look at that.

Speaker 3: Yeah but yeah. And I, I still think you're relevant if you're talking about the podcast, yeah, so I've been. Listening for about 3. Years now and nothing has changed here so.

Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you Ken.

Speaker 3: Just one dollar.

Speaker 7: Appreciate it.

Speaker 3: Hey, you're welcome.

Speaker 7: Take care.

Speaker 3: How are you too?

Speaker 7: Well, that's nice. A new path. Arthur Haynes. It's spelled like canes, the underwear, I think.

UNKNOWN: Hey Jay hi.

Speaker 4: Andy, yes.

Speaker 7: I had it wrong the first time. Yeah, good to know Dakotaccess pipeline. Many leaks. There have been some stories about that because they said it would never leak. You people are just weird and hot heads and want to make trouble with. Here's a piece from Counterpunch, the good old progressive counterpunch. This was Friday the 12th Jeffrey Saint Clair, who I think is the Co editor of that thing. Peace called between the null and the void. It's typical and we started out. intriguing. He writes heavy cultures are all like, but this not a happy culture. Sullen and sour America seems like a country whose nerves are shot and then it goes on to talk about after 16 straight years of war. Of course, that's the case. Well, I don't know is that. Causes people to be swollen and sour and their nerves are shot. If there's no draft, I mean. I'm afraid that doesn't register all that much. You could probably point to the everyday terrorism. The mass shootings. It is possibly more. And even that is, you can you can cordon. That off, I think it's much deeper than. Political policy, even war and not, that's nothing. So nothing for the people that are getting killed in various parts of the world. As well as American troops. Obviously in this piece almost immediately goes into Trump. It's all about Trump and so. I guess it doesn't matter what you start with and it just goes into the old liberal. Trump routine 8,000,000 tons of plastic into the world's oceans per year, says science last week, and is reported in the New York Times Plastics. The essence of modern life. And the journal this well vie for the scariest. Piece of the week I guess, but this has. To do with the east. Eastern Antarctic the eastern coast. Of Antarcticand how it's only focus really has been on the western part. The calving off of giant. Masses of ice and now. They are worried about the Sabrina coast of Eastern Antarctica. This would just be fantastically bigger than the other stuff, just. It was thought to be rather stable, but now they're thinking of the catastrophic. The dramatic rise in sea levels all over the world. If that calves off that great mess of ice. It turns out it's not so stable. Yeah, from the journal Nature. And current biology this came out late last week from. Environmental health news and Scientific American. The talking about ocean acidificationce again, but now this piece. Is really about freshwater and how it's acidifying three times faster. Then the oceand that and the ocean soaking up. The CO2 is happening faster than we thought. There's just a list of a parade of articles amping that up. Ramping up the rate as they as they measure it, but yeah. Current issue of current biology. Yeah, we know much about the seas. Absorption of the CO2 and other gases but. And what it does to shellfish etcetera the reefs. And all that and now. Another place to worry about him. Snow cover. As the world warms is from Yale Environment 360 snow cover from the Alps to the Rockies and so forth is dwindling, having a profound effect, and it's much more important than retreating glaciers. It's a bigger, more profound impact. Such other species as lynx, Wolverines, snowshoe hares, etcetera. As reported by The Wolverine Foundation and other groups, other groups who studies. Regarding is an interesting piece about more highways. To the South American thing. Remotest parts of the Peruvian Amazon. Near the border with Brazil. So-called protected natural areas. Boy, these give way sometimes pretty fast and. Be a little. Bit more on that a little later I think. Yeah, they're going to run right through the. Also porous National Park and the Madre de Dios reserve. Both inhabited by indigenous peoples in quote isolation. And this. Big highway building. That means the highway would bring their deaths. Says a shipibo man. It's like mining. And a number of other things. There was. This the shooting the week I'm afraid in the Siberian city of Perm. Yesterday 14 actually 15 injuries. The mass stabbing incident. At a school. Yeah, 15 injuries. I don't think there were any fatalities. Well, let's see. Well, let's catch up on the. On the recall news. Yes, three January 10th. 1,000,000 Toyotas, Hondas and joined the Takata. Airbag recall that's been going on for a while and now it's. Even more. Even more on offer industrial safety. Yeah, it, that's like, an oxymoron isn't industrial safety and over the weekend, Fiat Chrysler. Is recalling 160,000 minivans? A software problem, but there's often it's a software problem. What was the other one? We'll get to it I guess, and it's more specifically about techno stuff a little later in the show last week I was mentioning and this part of the technology obviously coltan. Necessary for cell phones, iPhones and cobalt. Needed required for electric cars. And the squeeze to mine these and find other rare earths and so forth and now lithium. Enters the picture. Extraction an industrial scale in northern Argentina. Lithium for batteries and this. Harmful for indigenous people and other species. And they may be trying to go to battery production, which is even more toxic. Speaking of the rare stuff that's. You got to grab it up.

Speaker 8: Hey we have Frank.

Speaker 7: On the phone OK oh Frank. Hello Frank.

Speaker 8: Hey John, how's it going?

Speaker 7: Oh good to hear from you.

Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I haven't called in a while, but I just thought I'd call in today because yesterday was Martin Luther King Day and.

Speaker 7: It was.

Speaker 8: Yeah, January 15th is actually Martin Luther King's birthday. I thought that was a. Cool coincidence, but yeah, I just wanted to share a quote of his that I really liked thought it was relevant. And yeah, the quote goes like this, it's. We must rapidly begin to shift from a thing oriented societies to a person oriented society. When machines and computers profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people. The giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered. And I just thought that was really, really anarchist leaning.

Speaker 7: Oh, that's on the mark. Yeah, it's good to remember. Him and that's thank you. That's the man. That's right, right with it. Isn't it good choice?

Speaker 8: Ah, just headed down here in Florida so. I'm just seeing so much just the continued uglification of. It's the environment and the air quality. So many trees are being torn down just to. Put up sidewalks and all this crap. It's just I just wish there was some way to put it into it all but.

Speaker 7: That's it, man.

Speaker 8: But anyway.

Speaker 7: You sound like you're doing OK, though you're doing OK.

Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. So far so good. It just still every day is a survival test, .

Speaker 7: There you go really, yeah, and you can laugh about it too. That's great.

Speaker 8: Yeah, I gotta have a sense of humor. Everything is. Every day is a comedy and every day is a tragedy. You just gotta laugh.

Speaker 7: Yeah, I heard that.

Speaker 8: All right, I'll, I'll let you get back. To you soon.

Speaker 7: Thanks Frank, be well.

Speaker 8: Yeah you too.

Speaker 7: Ah, I guess it's time for a music break. We had some good concerts.

Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, we might as well do this. Leonard Cohen.

Speaker 7: We'll break it right there.

Speaker 6: If you are the dealer, I'm out of the game. If you are thealer means I'm broken and lame. If thine is the glory then mine must be the shame. You want a darker. We kill the flame. Magnified, sanctified be thy holy name vilified, crucified in the human frame. 1,000,000 candles burning for thelp that never came, you want it darker. I'm ready, my Lord. There's a lover in the story, but the story is still the same. There's a lullaby for suffering and a paradox to blame, but it's written in the scriptures and it's not some idle. You want it darker. We kill the flame. They're lining up to prisoners and the guards to take an aim or struggle with some demons. They were middle class and team I didn't know I had permission to murder. To me. You want it darker.

Speaker 2: Right?

Speaker 6: I'm ready, my Lord. Magnified sanctified be the holy name vilified, crucified in the human frame. Million candles burning for the love that never came you want it darker. We kill the flame. If you was a teaser out as a game, if you were thealer, I'm broken and lame. If thine is the glory. Mine must be the shame you want it darker. I'm ready, my heart.

Speaker 7: Well, we did have some uplift after that. Derek Leonard Cohen track there. Let's see, but first a little more. As usual, some commentary on some contemporary intricate stuff that's going on. And then. Under the good stuff, the action brief. This a piece that's been getting around a bit called the postmodern left, and the success of neoliberalism. By Scott J. And really, It’s a little bit different from the my targeting of post modernism. In fact, this not about North America, even it's. The target is really leftist. Governments is the reference to postmodern left, but it does have a little resonance in terms of. The postmodern aspect in general, so to speak, is talking about. How the left is putting style over substance. And how there's a few references to what. Post modernism and especially as it is in culture. I just thought I'd mention it. It's there is some. It's something it's not forgotten. In fact, winds up. On this note, the postmodern left does not believe in post modernism. The postmodern left is postmodernism. That rings true with the. Something I've seen not talking about governments in power. This a lot of this a reference to the Syriza in Greece. But as I say, I think it. It really has another applicable. Aspect to. It well and ITS they never go away. There is the new piece few days old now against the world builders. Eco extremists respond to critics. This always kills me. They this an endless response, but they always say we don't care what anyone thinks and then they go on making a meal look like a. Punctuation mark or something in his lengthy. Usual deal, yeah, this our arragon. ITS the individuals pointing tending toward the wild. Yeah, they better know it in their extremity of their pessimism. They make that clear. Nobody's more pessimistic. And we're and So what? You get what I get out of this whole thing is. That means pathology. And now if you could take this even further. I guess it's possible to imagine that, but now it ends up as extinction ISM that full blown extinction ISM. And meanwhile the black card is putting out a toss of #2 so they don't mind they think that's hip and current to. Relate to this thing. And by the way, I'm not going to go off into this. It could take forever and would be a stupid waste of time. There's a reference to the hiker. The couple in the park and the National Park in Mexico that were shot. By them they the ideas takes they took credit for that they. Shot and killed the young woman. And ther companion, or whoever he was with her at the time. Got away, he was wounded. Apparently I think that was the story, but she was shot down just for being a hiker in the woods. And they, but they say in here the mail is being tried for the murder of his girlfriend. That's the way they put it in the media. So this really could be another case of claiming credit for something they had nothing to do with, but. It’s so bizarre if even if they didn't, they glory in this thing. They made a big point of gunning these people down and. So, but maybe it's nothing like that. Maybe they're just. They get off on this pathological stuff. Wacko all right it there's a call out. This an interesting thing. Late last week conflictual wisdom. Is they would be periodical. This the second call out. They're trying to get to more responses than they did. Last year And this person who's promoting this and inviting. People to submit stuff talks about helplessness. And how hard it is to keep going. The issue of keeping strong? Helping each other to get out of bed in the morning and in a horribly overwhelming era. And apparently this not. One aim of this. Project is to steer people away from the counter revolutionary directions of passive nihilism and post modernism. And I don't really know what the politics of this thing will be, and possibly the main editor doesn't either, but. I think this person isn't is a self-proclaimed insurrectionary anarchist. And anyway, I thought that was interest that. Doesn't want what has been a flavor of the month. Sort of a thing with the nihilism and the postmodernism is. As I've seen it anyway, so if some interesting actions here over the holiday season, several active sabotage against SLLN and nickel Mining Contaminator Corporation in South New Caledonia New Caledonia is in the southwestern Pacific. And there's been quite the record, not just over the holiday season, but 90 cars belonging to this nickel outfit have been stolen, burned, or damaged. And most recently a workshop was smashed, a cafeteria, vandalized and looted, and a truck damaged. They're really actively going. Going at it trying to stop this nickel mining thing going on. Wildcats this from libcom. December 21st, 1000 workers. The Ford plant in Romania is a Wildcat strike. And there have been other ones, other ones not covered over the last have been rising. Tide of mountain strikes, including Fiat workers in Serbiand Volkswagen workers in Slovakia. And the mediand the Union. Unions have. Tried to keep that quiet, yeah? And then the humbucker humbucker for us that they persevere. That's still going on. This a. A report from the 4th of January. 20182018 has begun and RWE are smashed and this. They attacked a. A a intelligence center of a structure that was fenced off and supposedly protected as part of the. Thing to get rid of the Hambacher forest in favor of coal mining in Western Germany. OK, the area was fenced with infrared cameras and alarm system guarded and it were material containers and a generator, and as partly readable in the police report itself, the fences were removed and the generator destroyed. Also, attention was given to the containers. This area is opened up by us again and given back to the forest. They're still aggressive. Yeah, there is going to be probably considerable action in Chile as the Pope. I think Pope Francis already there. Yeah, Oh yeah, as of yesterday, three anyway, three churches have been bombed in the capital and the President of the countries appealed. For calm. I'm not too happy with the Pope. Yeah, during the for example in Santiago during the early hours of January 12th. A series of five coordinated explosives and incendiary attacks. This 3 days before the Pope was scheduled to be there. Attacks on churches is what this against against five. Different churches head of an institution stained with blood and founded on torture, looting and inquisitions and posted on the 13th. More hunting setups attacked. This was a in particular hunting. It is. Hunt in northern France didn't give too many details, but there's a. Of photo and the graffito reads Alf is watching you. I thought it was strange that it was in English, but. Anyway yesterday. Prisoners across the state of Florida launched a strike, a work strike against prison slavery. Extortionate prices and other. And we will find out what's happening. I don't. I haven't seen any reports, it just started yesterday. And today, over 200 detainees at 2 detention centers in Australiand Sydney and Melbourne have declared 100 hunger strike. In protest of various awful conditions. And they've they had already started. Yeah well this ongoing into the news ends just today. OK, let's see what else we got here. This Oh yeah, from Louisiana. This an ongoing thing. Fighting Energy Transfer partners ETTP. This the southern end of the. What would be completed as the Dakotaccess pipeline down in Louisiana? The Bayou Bridge pipeline. Yeah, they’re boy. This a very. A very widespread stand here. Environmental justice. African American communities, indigenous communities. Fishers faith leaders, and they're all united. To stop this in support of 1,000,000. People and drinking water ecosystems. Food systems for plants and animals also. Yeah, this kicked off. This looks like. It looks like a strong start. And another ongoing thing, Cascade Forest defenders more seems to be a revival of forest defense. It was a story today. Blockades and tree sets. Particular thing in the McKenzie Forest Public land sold to private interests. This if trying to defend the Unlogged forest. And especially outrageous. Aspect of it. In this case, when you're just selling off public lands. All right, that's. Always tasty to find out. There's a lot of resistance and I refer to some of it in very general terms of the time of the show. Well, let's see, yes, here's a story. Well, referring to one study, some participants chose to give themselves a painful electric shock rather than sit alone without their smartphone for just 15 minutes. Thank you. Yeah, I'm not going to go off into that, but if you get that. Thing, meanwhile, The Verge said great Pro Tech website their mono is today is tomorrow. I love that very succinct, never in the hair now. Today is tomorrow. I guess that's what you what the deal is with. With technology in general, and this an interesting piece from the Sunday New York Times. Keep our mountains free and dangerous by Francis Subzero. In this ongoing deal, I've heard I've read about this. I've heard about this. For example, the cell phone deal. Requiring people to have cell phones and then there are the real rugged types. This just part of it who? If you have a cell phone. Then you’re cheating, and you're not really getting the. You know, the danger and the real challenge of it all. And I was thinking of something Ken Nab wrote years ago back in the 70s. He said you can have. Content, but no adventure. Or you can have adventure and no content. And I think what he was talking about in terms of content people. Get or try to get content from what they do from their work, that there's some. Nope, some real content there, it's not. Adventure, but then that and he was referring, I think, explicitly to people who climb mountains and. Maybe bungee jumping or whatever it is they have adventure, but there's no content there, it's just. Well, this Francis Subzero believes that it does. It does have content. It’s an existential experience and. Where as he says, we are free from the strictures of time, workplace stress of being told what to do, where to go, how to be. We can travel as we may. How we may? Mountains are thrilling because our lives there are not shepherded by another. Our safety not curated. It's freedom. Yeah, I mean this case. You can make for that. I've never done mountain climbing, but. The appeal was, I think, pretty obvious. But maybe a little bit more back down to Earth. Very interesting cover story. New York Times Book review. 2 days ago. The Sunday Book review. A review of a book called Craft an inquiry into the Origins and true meaning of traditional crafts. And the review is called some assembly required, as that was. Cute and it's talking, in generally antIndustrial. Terms here. And how? Everything becomes a machine. Whether it's. What is CAD withdrawing now? You don't have to draw, it's the computer does it? And the whole. Mass, he says the surrender of our lives to machines represents a regression factory manufacturer robs us of special some. OK. Yeah, think of my one of my very favorite novels, news from Nora by William Morris. Also the work of Edward Carpenter way back in the. In the 1800s eighteen 1670s somewhere on in there, there were always people who wanted. That everybody could have. The skill and the creativity of making things handicrafts. You know hands, not machines. And anyway, this a nice long piece that. That brings us up. Today it's as he says, today it's far easier and cheaper to find an ugly plastic container that will be filthy in the air cracked. A year after that, and in turn in a landfill year after that, presumably for eternity. The same species that made that first basket eventually invented the machine that cranks out the plastic 1 today. That is progress, and it has brought our fragile world nearly to the brink. Well, that process of course is worth. Looking at closely why and how that happens. Well, yeah. Here's if something,, once again, from the verge. Yeah, they're promoting a wireless MIDI ring MID I do. You know what that means? In capital letters MIDI.

Speaker 4: Yeah, it's musical instrument digital interface.

Speaker 7: Ah well, it's a good thing to keep you around here, Carl. You always know. OK, this a wireless. Any ring I had no idea gives you musical effects with hand gestures, so I thought of air guitar. You don't really have to learn to play the guitar and but I don't know. Maybe it's even more lame than that. I don't know. Speaking of crafts, right?

UNKNOWN: want one.

Speaker 7: How do I shut off your microphone? Oh gosh, and Jason sends a story. From the Harvard Business Review this week. It's called it's one of these pieces. You see them fairly often. How this called automation will change work purpose and meaning. Meaning of life really. And this looking ahead to when people won't have to work, because technology will. Take care of that and remember in the 50s when they used to say that and it hasn't quite happened. People will be free to do whatever they want and. But when our machines release us from ever more tasks, what will we turn our attentions to? This will be the defining question of the coming century. Well, I was thinking of Hanna rent in the. 60s, she wrote. It was pitched the. Named, the starting point was that people were about to be freed from labor. Yeah, again, you hear this. Which never happens, but. What is the meaning of the work that you have? I mean, these things are tied. Together, I think these. Is there is there content satisfaction or are you just tending machine or the machine is tending you? Know that's. That's what this all about. In the. Weekend Wall Street Journal. The most recent weekend here front page piece parents dilemma when to give the children smartphones and it's quite a long piece and I was surprised at how much opposition there was. The variety of people I spoke to. It was a lot of stuff, some people. One mother said it's like cocaine. When should we start to get on cocaine? Because we know it's addictive and. Yeah, it seems like a lot of opposition. Registering there. And we found out this week. This also in the weekend. Once we jump, flu vaccines seem to be less and less effective, and this the hardest hit season. Since 2009. Well, there's no cure for the common cold. I don't know why we should expect technology to. Handle the flu. Although I get one every year. You know, just. And his from Germany, a new main naval vessel. Which doesn't work. It's a big old thing and software. Once again, software is a $3 billion fiasco, which will take years to fix. I have no idea why it would take years to fix, but. Yeah, and that large Iranian oil tanker. Since about 10 days ago now it finally sunk on Sunday. It sunk in the China Seand they talked about the AIS system. Automated ID system is what it is. Another techno failure? Or it's conceivable that they turned it off for some reason and then it rammed into that jade cargo ship? Oh, and one more. This also from the weekend Wall Street Journal. A good piece by. Jerry Z Muller called a cure. For our fixation metrics all about technological culture in the sense of the more or less closing line. He says not everything can be improved by measurements and not everything that can be measured can be improved. And once again, we're supposed to swallow all the. Stuff but. May not be so. Easy and. May not be happening, in fact. Well, I guess it'll just be calling me next week. But yeah, a reminder. We will have on the phone. A very special case, Ofelia Rivas. It'll be an honor to speak with her and get the latest on what's happening on the border in southern Arizona. She's an elder and an amazing person. OK, yeah, please tune in for that and those of you in the area. You might want to hit this thing a week from tomorrow at Oregon State, the. 50 years of 1968 could be interesting.

Speaker 5: Let the sun beat down for my body's stars. I'm a traveler. Sit with elders of the generation. World self saying. Top of days for which they sit away. All will be revealed. Song from tons of living grace. Sounds stressed.

01-09-2018

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Bizarro weather (113 in Sydney, snow in Sahara). Shooting of the week, biggest global oil tanker disaster since 1991, tech take-over of health industry (ads of the week). Indigenous as key to un- derstanding where you live. Domestication of kids, high fatality rates of US kids. Decline of anarchism in UK. Myopia epidemic in tech-heavy countries. Can't build a forest. Action news, one call.

01-02-2018

[audio] Iran erupts, eastern North America in deep freeze. Joey from Deep Green Bush School in New Zealand reports. Late 2017 rampant violence: mass shootings, pig violence. Latest urban horrors, reefs dying, air worsening.The "Brilliant" episodes 59- 63 on technology critique: Huh? Action news, one call.

2017

12-26-2017

[audio] 2017 music: "Glummest." Urban reality ("The Mega-City, Unleashed'"), plastics in deepest oceans. Instagram a "facade," toys spy on you. "The Postmodern Now" by JZ. Junk food globalized, US life expectancy falls. Fred Moten: Black culture's mission is "to un-civilize, to de-civilize this country." Action news.

12-19-2017

[audio] Elijah sits in. Somnox, the world's first sleep robot. California still burning, AMRAK and other mass transport crashing. Swiss prepare for end of civili- zation. World's largest airport loses power. World's largest cruise ship: "Inde- pendence of the Seas" (geddit?) Artists on VR. E-waste piling up, 1/3 of all food grown is wasted. Progress. Action news, one call.

12-12-2017

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Fires and homelessness. Bizarre urbanism, pig violence under-reported, starving polar bears. Wind power waning due to warming. iNaturalist as forests die. Toll of loneliness. This the Age of Horror. Emptiness of popular terms. Action news.

11-28-2017

[audio] [first 5-10 minutes did not stream, but full hour recorded] Insidious NazIn- filtration (a heads-up). The week's oil spills, epidemics, pollution news. Stress levels, student outbursts, girls' self-harm. Going fast, social media bad for health. Nintendo "reunites you with nature." New Hampshire dr. rejects "electronic medi- cine," loses license. Olympia blockade/occupation + mucho other action briefs, one call.

11-21-2017

[audio] Anti-civ, anti-fracking blockade in Olympia WA. 21,000 gallon Keystone Pipeline spill in South Dakota. Urban Scout and Kevin Tucker by phone: rewilding, our ancestral being. Anti-digital currents. Oldsters in UK lament machine check-outs when shopping: one less area of human contact. Climate change drove ISIS recruitment in Iraq. Coastal kelp forests disappearing globally, Pacific Islands to lose 80% of marine species. Bird flu spreads in Asian cities.

11-14-2017

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. The decomposition of just about everything. Shootings ever more deadly. High blood pressure, Zany Tech Tricks, primitivist feminism. NSA hacked. Family Romance in Japan sells fake friends and family. Digital meds (has sensors to report on patient). Dis- illusion with tech? Action briefs, one call.

11-07-2017

[audio] Latest shooting massacre(s). "Lucky." Paucity of actual discourse in society. Homelessness crises, 8 million tons of plastics dumped in seas annually, climate refugees on tap big-time. "Bushman Banter," tech/media firms mer- ging, enormous recalls. Alt-Right failing, virtual treadmills: no movement necessary. Action news, two calls.

10-31-2017

[audio] JZ reads "The Prison of Symbols." Record CO2 surge in 2016, Gulf of Mexico awash in oil. "Climate change is much, much worse than we thought." Anarchists fiddle while Rome burns. Human caring in pre-history. New AI religion: Way of the Future. "Leave Someone Behind? Your Car May Soon Warn You." Saudi Arabia grants citizenship to Sophia the Humanoid. Taro card fad. Action news, two calls.

10-24-2017

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Rewilding Conference in Portland. "Domestikator" sculpture scandal in Paris: domestication nailed. Insect die-off in Germany called "ecological Armageddon." Power lines sped northern California fires; southern California heat wave. Global pollution mounts, adult-onset ADHD. Hello antifa, goodbye post-Left. Action briefs.

10-17-2017

[audio] Cliff co-hosts. Fires uncover pollution in every case. Language 1.8 million years ago?? CNN: millennials unbelievably unskilled. Severe anxiety #1 problem for adolescents. Global obesity, starving penguins. Who volunteers any more? No way to spot mass killers-to-be. Quantum computing: a new gold rush. Action news

10-10-2017

[audio] Neither the Las Vegas massacre or the dope OD epidemic (leading cause of death for Americans under 50) bring out questioning of this stage of social existence. Blade Runner 2049. Eve of "antibiotic apocalypse" re: global resistance to the drugs. Plague rages in Madagascar. Upcoming Rewilding Conference in Portland. Need for standardized emojis. Action news, one call.

10-03-2017

[audio] Puerto Rico, Las Vegas: mounting crises in both spheres of life. Does anarchism offer anything? Blade Runner 2049, etc: apocalyptic zeitgeist. Ad of the Week: IBM "Can Offer Customers What They Want Before They Want It." Homelessness, plas- tics, extinctions, emotional dis-eases on the rise. Reality is stark, solutions are ob- vious but disallowed. Wolves near Rome, Eagles rip Drones from the skies. One call, action briefs.

09-26-2017

[audio] (Last week's show pre-empted by unforeseen sports broadcast.) Kathan co-hosts. Puerto Rico devastation has silver lining: opens door to a more industrialized agriculture(!) Opioid scourge now lower- ing US life expectancy level. Lack of sleep, sitting kills. Oil spill of the week, mass shooting of the week. Deaths of desperation, death by distraction. Peak sand, chatbots for the dying. Chicago Tribune: "The New iPhone Proves the Unabomber Was Right." Action briefs, 2 calls.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to kwva, Eugene. It's time for. Energy Radio it's Tuesday. We're back back. Back in the hot seat. Well, if you were, if you were trying to listen last week, you may have noticed that the show wasn't on. So I apologize about that as some last minute scheduling issues that came up and. There was some confusion going on. And anyway, it turned out that if. Were going to. Do the show. It only would have been over the Internet. It would have. Been over the. Air and were just like it was late. Anyway were like 5 minutes late starting. Could trying to clear it up so. Anyway, so we didn't do the show last week, sorry about that. But we're here this week and we're going to start with some music like we always do. This some stuff from Jerry Gibbs playing the music of Miles Davis.

Speaker 5: Hello, it's energy video time. It's the 26th of September. Catherine is here. Thank you for coming down Catherine. She's Co hosting.

Speaker 2: Hey, I'm happy to be down here. I missed my usual time and then last week I'm happy to say I didn't come down so it's good to be here.

Speaker 5: A bit of a snafu as Carl was explaining and we would have notified you all if we couldn't do any part of the show we would have said that the week before but. Not everybody was notified about what's going on. Well, Puerto Rico is certainly big. Big story from the giant hurricane that hit almost a week ago, somewhat of a revealing article in yesterday's New York Times that the September 25th. Photos of the of the landscape flattened. And well, what? You see what they showed was photos of industrial farming, the monocrops, the industrial, poultry, dairy and so forth. And some spokesperson, some officials, somebody said. Thisn't all. Bad because it's going to clear the decks for more modernization, which means more industrialization. A chance to wipe out these inefficient traditional farmers and they're little decentralized things. What a great idea. As if industrialization isn't causing global overheating, which causes the more and more dangerous hurricanes. Yeah, really wise really, yeah? What lesson do you draw from that? You know, just exactly the opposite. The thing that we should learn from.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's distressing the whole lot. We've had a whole series here of natural so-called natural disaster is complicated. By such things as the agro farms or the Puerto Rico also has a lot of pharmaceutical production, that and I don't know if that's currently the case, but that was a lot I heard on the way down the mayor of San Juan in tears. Talking about the people without with absolutely no electricity, no water you. You know, Puerto Rico is an island, and any because of those agro businesses and such people's ability to survive after a crisis seriously compromised, because a place like that is so dependent on imports. Very little stuff locally. It reminds me I listened to your show 2 weeks ago and you made the excellent point about when you look at these. Natural disasters what you see happen is you see mutual aid and you see solidarity and people working together to get by. And there's a lovely article I don't know. I guess it was Sunday's New York Times. It was the Mexico, Mexico, cities people power and that. Pretty much that was the whole basis of this article. My you and grio is something that was the handful of neighbors approached the wreckage and they immediately started digging people out and that really a lot of what the reclamation and the lives that are being saved in and in Mexico are. Self organization is not these. You know that you get the counter story of theroic first responders, which hey, I have great respect for such people. That's great, but very little attention to the actually. What makes the difference? And it's the people on the ground. And what happens immediately? And what happens in the days after? So I think, yeah, I think that.

Speaker 5: That's to get the money, yes. Spontaneously organizing self organizing and getting out there and. Dealing with it right? Away It’s always. It seems to like you said it always happens.

Speaker 2: And you look at that, the different, the different scenarios that happen in these in these disastrous situations, Florida the big talk about all the poor old people wear your house down there and just abandoned the lack of intact social groups and intact. Family so your old mother, your old father down there, sweltering away unchanged on some bed. In some metropolis. Certainly gives one pause for thought as to what what, what? What does mutual aid look like? What do ? How how does one survive in these situations? You mentioned on the last show about the rewilding something going to happen in Portland. I want to hear more about that all right.

Speaker 5: Yeah, we might get a call either tonight or next week. The first North American rewilding conference up in Portland, OR October 20th to the 22nd. So you can go to rewelding.com you found that right to.

Speaker 2: I saw last time you said it was rewelding.org so now I'm not sure if its.org or.com butthereisa.com site that I looked up. I'm just not. I couldn't really locate OK.

Speaker 5: OK. I think it's that I think it's the latter. Yeah, as we get closer to. And we'll fill you in a little bit more.

Speaker 2: Like every of the every alphabetic letter carries such weight. Nowadays they're so abbreviated you can't get the three wrong, or you can't know where. So, but I do want to tie into that another article, essentials for the apocalypse that really goes along this whole idea. Of cataclysmic or disastrous collapse versus the real rewilding container and approaching nowadays that softens the blows of what, when, when you're off the grid, was it planned or unplanned? And how does one deal? But it was an interesting, approach essentials for the apocalypse. Just rate raising like things that people should should be aware of. What do you do? Water shelter. What are the basics ? Because we are so highly, especially in the cities, so dependent on civilization and if nothing this summer should have should. That should make people think a little bit about that. This stuff is not you. Unassailable, it's not always there. It's you. Know your cell phone that puts you connected and all. Well, when the towers go down, you're not connected what . You be the old. I'll be the old lady laying in the nursing home in Florida or something. Or you can position yourself. Differently now to have an actual life in the in the present.

Speaker 5: More and more vulnerability. As the thing goes on. Well, another vulnerability was highlighted the last week. I would have gotten into this last week. It was certainly still going on last week in Saint Louis. Over the case of Anthony Lamar Smith. Who was murdered by a pig down there who was announced he was going to kill him, shot him five times, and then planted a gun in his car and then the judge let him off. I mean this.

Speaker 2: And that's the total total way it always is. You know to pretend that there's any idea that there's going to be justice found in the courts. Just just like it's never happened. There's never, I believe it's accurate to say there's never been a policeman. And convicted in the last. You know what is its last three years? Five years of hyperacute increased in reported. Shootings of unarmed black kids and not a single one. Not a single convicted, no convictions at all.

Speaker 5: This the background for the backdrop for the NFL players protest, which of course is spurred on by the further racist comments of the pig Trump. Yeah, this the background of it and people were shocked. That somebody does some quiet, dignified little protest. It's unreal.

Speaker 2: Well, and then you gotta put in about the cops chanting whose streets our street. And announcing that they are in control of the city. You know, I've been watching that Vietnam special they've had on and you see Walter Cronkite in Chicago saying it's a police state.

Speaker 5: Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5: Well, we got something on.

Speaker 4: The line yes we do. This Jared Diamond.

Speaker 5: Jared Diamond as I live and breathe. Hi there.

Speaker 3: Hi, I'm calling and I really like your show. My name is Jared Diamond. How are you?

Speaker 5: I'm good you teach at UC.

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Speaker 4: Oh oh, you got your radio on dude? Yeah, turn turn that radio down in the background.

Speaker 3: Yes, I'm just calling on behalf of the microburst that happened in Santa Barbara, CAnd on other weather terrorism that's happening all around the world and basically It’s seeding the.

Speaker 4: Yeah, it just confuses things.

Speaker 3: Clouds that they're doing.

Speaker 5: Yeah, I hear you, Sean.

Speaker 1: You hear me.

Speaker 5: Sorry to sorry to out you there man.

Speaker 6: I can't get over you guys to save your life. How you doing John Zerzanarchy Radio 88.1 how are you guys doing?

Speaker 5: All right, yeah, I've heard about these micro birds. out of nowhere, right? Is that what you're talking about?

Speaker 3: Yeah, we just had one down here in Santa Barbarabout it's been about.

Speaker 7: Three weeks ago.

Speaker 3: And basically they're blaming it on feeding the clouds, and they've create some type of climate on the ground climate and. It creates this type. Of thing that links to the seating of the clouds and it it's a. Some type of thing that they're doing, and Bill Gates is behind this. Supposedly he. Has patents for weather manipulation.

Speaker 5: No doubt. OK Hey, thanks for calling man. Be well down there.

Speaker 6: All right, cheers.

Speaker 5: Jared Diamond indeed.

Speaker 2: Yeah, really.

Speaker 5: We know who that is.

Speaker 2: So well, no, I don't know who is Sean?

Speaker 5: He was well. I don't. Maybe he doesn't want us to reveal the whole profile here.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5: The teams.

Speaker 2: OK, all right.

Speaker 5: And the shooting of the week. Not funny whatsoever. The church shooter on Sunday in Nashville and they still don't quite know what that's all about eight people shot, including the shooter, one dead. How how about the oil spill of the week in Greece, Piraeus the port of Athens, 2500 tons plus. Sinking of a tanker and that's what caused that to a little bit earlier in the month. Yeah, there's just an average week I guess.

Speaker 2: Just an average wage.

Speaker 5: An average crazy week. Yeah, the I'd love this. You know I mentioned this. I tripped on this the. The sand we have peak oil. We have peak sand now and my first reaction was peak sand you kidding me? You ever heard of the Sahara desert? Well, it turns out every little further on that you can't use desert sand. You know, for all the construction of the development all over the world, it's too smooth. You can't make concrete.

Speaker 4: You got to be like.

Speaker 5: Out of it, right?

Speaker 4: Jagged right? Oh yeah, I didn't know that.

Speaker 5: Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2: So, but isn't one of the big. Uses for fracking.

Speaker 5: That's one of the uses, I'm sure.

Speaker 2: That I think that's one of the things really depleting it.

Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's not only well, for example, one other little part of that, China's largest freshwater lake. Poyang Lake is drying up because they're dredging all the sand out of it. So as the seas rise, I mean it's not only riverbeds and lakes, but It’s, beaches. Which it doesn't help too much. There's a warming rising seas, yeah, peaks, and that's for real. amazing. The little boy so.

Speaker 2: So, so you're going going so fast John. I can't keep up with you. Let's say you talked about the shootings. I wanted to put those under the title I had here. Desks of desperation and I think, yeah, a lot of articles on the opioid epidemic. And I think it, I think that terminology maybe even came from the government when they were talking about the opioid epidemic in the category. They put it down opioid. OD's suicides alcoholic liver disease, cirrhosis, and I thought it's good to throw in mass shootings. The whole homicide suicide joint thing, but they these are all that's a good title. Deaths of desperation and they're the predominant way people are dying.

Speaker 5: Yeah, something about that and they've just disclosed that the dope scourge, the opioid epidemic is. Reaching the well, it's reached the place where it's pushing down life expectancy. In the US. It's that it's that many people. Impacting it.

Speaker 2: Surpassed motor vehicle accidents. These things that are. Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 5: Well and we have, once again the whole. Technological society things becomes more and more so with all of its promises and so forth. And yet. Well, for example, for the second year in a row, which is 2016, we're talking about record high for Americans with chlamydia, gonorrhea, and syphilis. And you probably noticed this hip A was there's an epidemic in San Diego County which is now in Los Angeles County, that affecting mostly but not entirely homeless people. You know, and the vaunted cities which are making which are becoming more smart due to all the computerization of everything. Malnutrition is now an increasingly urban problem, so that ain't working out too well either. Speaking of crazy health stuff. And butting up against the claims. And oh, everything is being handled. And it's just we're sailing along. Well, you mentioned a little while ago. The thing about loneliness and isolation? That's that's becoming more. In terms of health in terms of impact of health, more people are lonely and depressed. There was a piece in the. BBC News late last week about that. Trying to get a handle on that loneliness. Chronic loneliness, not just among the old but. It's there, certainly among the elderly. The last taboo they called it. Thank you Richard for that.

Speaker 2: There's got to be a correlation with that lack of connection to peoples addiction to the technologies, because that's the whole, the whole idea. Be connected, be part of the. At work, people come pull, have to have their phone with them all the time. Check your check, check, check some. But somebody might have called.

Speaker 5: Well, and there's a direct connection. There was a piece in the Independent last. Said that, a lack of sleep is killing us. According to scientists in the UK. And they're talking about it specifically in terms of sleep deprivation. How many people have a problem sleeping? That's that's a visceral. That's a baseline thing, right? I mean if you if society have all these people that can't sleep that has severe health ramifications, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, stroke, Alzheimer's. Obesity and once again connected to the sedentism of techno life. You know that yeah, there's this. It's obvious the connection. It's obvious what causes these things? What makes it worse?

Speaker 2: Well, they. I think I saw study yesterday where they showed direct connection between how, how many hours of sleep at night, how many hours of sleep to lifespand how long you're going to live. And I think that another part of that is just like the whole cultural domination and oppression, the standardization. So sleep is basically an industry, and the way the way we sleep is the standardized, the way it's measured, 8 hours a night or whatever, and I think. In other societies other cultures, it's been like. People are aware of having second sleep sleeping in, like pack of dogs sleeping together. I mean there's a lot it's like diet, like everything, the effects of civilization are just. On any topic where something that's natural has become unnatural and defined and measured in a certain way and then become people have to take pills to sleep or whatever because they can't quite get with the idea. And society doesn't support like. To two episodes of sleep at night and socialize. In the middle or whatever but.

Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the way.

Speaker 2: It's like all got to be one way. Get your mattress.

Speaker 5: We used to do it differently, and of course the corporate quotient in there was. Peace and Sundays. New York Times. About how big business got Brazil hooked on junk food and then just Brazil. How the direct impact from the push from corporations like Nestle. Has delivered Western style processed food and sugary drinks to the most isolated pockets of Latin America, Africand Asia. The global thing and. Again, all these things are tied together. If you. If you're sleep deprived, for example, you want caffeine and sugar. You know you're you eat junk food, it's.

Speaker 2: Right, you got to be up for the day. You know you got to go to work or whatever, yeah?

Speaker 5: Yeah, oh man, well we sure have got some. Well, maybe I don't know if we could go on with thealth part of it, but alcohol abuse among older Americans is rising, rising fast according the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. And it has a stronger impact on older people. They can't handle their whiskey like they used to. No, it's a sad thing, It’s development it's. And once again one more. I just got one more health thing here. The thing about sitting sitting kills you. It shortens your life. You know there was a piece in the New York Times again. The Times Columbia University study and the story was called Don't just sit there and . Telling people standing up regularly may reduce. The risk of death due to sitting demolition. Yeah, lengthy sitting and among middle-aged and older even more. Probably than young people of course. So why is there more of that? You know? Well, we know why.

Speaker 2: Certainly some of our machines might have a bit to do with it.

Speaker 5: Here's a piece from fair warning. Leaf blower is still amid toxic contaminants such as carcinogenic benzene as well as surprisingly large amounts of other smog forming chemical. How about the rake as simple? Tool it's not loud enough exactly.

Speaker 4: It's not loud enough.

UNKNOWN: Not loud enough.

Speaker 5: It's not loud enough.

Speaker 4: Too slow, yeah. Your boss doesn't know you that you’re not working.

Speaker 5: Well, there are people that work that are forced to abuse those things.

Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

Speaker 5: As part of, breaking doing more work and get out there and. With your machines, I mean that's. That's a factor too, no doubt.

Speaker 2: You do it in half the time with a leaf blower.

Speaker 5: More money for the. For the landscaping business. Well, the whooping crane going under Washington Post reports that a Research Center that produced hundreds of whooper chicks for reintroduction into nature will now focus on other projects. Have given it up. It needs swooping grains, .

Speaker 2: That was that was sad. Like they really went to incredible efforts. There was, I believe there was a gentleman outfitted with wings to fly around to get the baby whooping cranes to follow him. At one point, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they were.

Speaker 5: It's amazing.

Speaker 2: They were working hard to see if they couldn't. Use the existing technologies solve the problem, but Oh well. Who needs whooping cranes?

Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what else they're doing, but. Probably something more worthwhile. Right drones?

Speaker 2: Who needs whooping cranes when you have drones?

Speaker 5: Drones, let's take a break and lots of stuff to. To handle, maybe maybe the real Jared Diamond will call. Us 5413460645. Yeah, we got some tasty stuff, some techno stuff for sure. Some really crazy techno stuff and some good stuff.

Speaker 2: What music?

Speaker 5: Hello, we're back. We got some Action News here. You know the whole DACA thing faded a little bit from the news, but I saw some footage. This a sign I really like. There are no illegals on stolen land. It's a little reminder about that. You know what I mean? Terms of quote, illegals. Well, a continued blowback for against those like little black card to Californianarchist publishers who were in bed with the psychopathic murderers of ITS course to object to random homicide, is to be a moralist man that's really abject and brain dead that really takes the cake. Yeah, that yeah, you're a moralist. That's the worst thing to be too, ? Well, Jejak has a new. Lenin 2017 and he edited the whole several volume. Stalin works. Speaking of brain dead anyway, 100 the promo reads 100 years after the Russian Revolution. Jejak shows why Lenin's thought is still important today. Good deal, yeah way to be cool. Alright, ours, there's just to get a few things. Some action brings here. Arson attack against the rodeo ring and Valpariso Chile in September 17th. That's some nice photos. And during that radio or that Rodeo Stadium. And let's see going back aways alfers in France, openly liberate turkeys and a pig. Very cool last. And they they did this right in the open 58 took part. And yeah, they're not even messed up. They just do it during the day, so they're going strong and. September 10th several hunting lodges burned down and several hunting towers destroyed in northern Sweden. September 11th. Barricades outside the University of Chile. They're always starting fires and. Barricading and stuff. This their anniversary of 911, the 44th year of the coup against the ending. On the September 13th, this referring to a July actually anyway, but it's just announced on the 13th 2 electric cars torched in. And that was signed by. This why I really brought it up by BMW, which stands for Black masked winners. The anarchist unit is down insurrection or Audi, and the suite and Hamilton sabotage. September 12th. The Andridge Big Old oil pipeline, folks. They've got their line 10 expansion. Effort going on started, we started sabotaging and drilling various sized holes in the pipeline segments. While spilling corrosives inside others September 13th in Rome, hundreds of manufacturers residents shut down a meeting between fascists. And the local council. Riot took place. Yeah they cancelled the meeting because of the non fascists who showed up in strength. Resistance announced. On the 18th Monday the 18th against Enbridge's Line 3 pipeline extension. Machua water protectors. Native folks there have delayed construction work. Let's see on the 21st, in Grenoble, France, this Thursday at 3:00 o'clock in the morning, on the second day of the burned car trial that refers to. Anarchist trial. Burned a cop. Barracks and garage. Which intervention burned 6 vans and two trucks? Big fire. Action in support of in solidarity people are going. On trial at the moment. And it is there in France and. On the 22nd last Friday in Turkey. A car was torched in Hamburg. Car belonging to the DITIB, the Turkish Islamic Union for Religious Affairs, which is an arm of the Turkish government and its Secret Service. And last Friday, the big books burning that theater in Berlin was occupied by radicals who plan on giving free performances. Let's see that there's more about Enbridge. But yeah, that's about it for now. And the this an important thing about the butche political prisoners. Hunger strike has been going on. For well over 100 days is still. Strong and. Good support for that. That's there, really. Courageous folks down there. Thank you.

Speaker 2: All right, well, I'll take the next one you have coming up the Chicago Tribune article iPhone 10 proves proves the Unabomber was right. That was a column in the Chicago Tribune on September 13th. Pretty good article by Steve Chapman. Basically acknowledging that the technology there's no going backwards once you go down that road, you're stuck on that Rd. I said the problem is hardly a new one he raises. He cites this book I haven't seen yet. Sapiens A brief history of humankind. You've all. Noah Harari argues that the agricultural revolution that took place 10,000 years ago was history's biggest fraud. So yeah, that was shocking article to find in Chicago Tribune of all places.

Speaker 5: Yeah, new iPhone proves the Unabomber was right and it goes along with keep going back to this. It's almost in disbelief. The peace in The New Yorker. For September 18th, how civilization started? Was it even a good idea which quotes Jim Scott and others? Yeah, it's very anti slavery, right?

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah very much so yeah. Yeah no. I thought it was. I mean basically it's the same thing where you seeing more and more in popular mediand stuff. This whole recognition that hey. Maybe maybe things aren't turning out as we as we so desired.

Speaker 5: Yeah, more and more transparently so it's just there, and now I don't know if this going to keep on going, but that's a heck of a shift. Pretty nice to see what's in. These mainstream. Scenes the nice Liberal New Yorker for. As I said before, for nice rich liberals.

Speaker 2: Well, especially with the papers burning on just electoral politics, the whole everything.

Speaker 5: That they operate side.

Speaker 2: Just Dance and people acutely depressed and hooked on following the. Absurdities beyond.

Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: I mean, that's not even the right word for it.

Speaker 5: The fixation with every asinine thing by the hour that Trump does.

Speaker 2: Every I mean just that it's so. Really, I get a bit incredulous at how effective. The use of tweets and the whole manipulation of people of people, general ideas or thinking. It's just mind boggling how. How it how? How effective it seems to be and also just the whole. You know the lack of memory I mentioned before the channel, the public television doing a Vietnam, Ken Burns Vietnam special and. You know, watching it, It’s all so familiar. It's all compressed into a television show, but it's like the carnage and the hopelessness and all of that war and the way. Yeah, so I don't know once again.

Speaker 5: I've seen very little of it. It's got some amazing footage, but right off the top I notice who are the productions backgrounds.

Speaker 2: Oh, you can't.

Speaker 5: Whoa, the Mellon foundation. I mean, the most rich, really well.

Speaker 2: Koch brothers, Koch Priyaa, David Koch.

Speaker 5: I didn't know that.

Speaker 2: Yeah that's up there in big letters right there, so yeah.

Speaker 5: So politically very mainstream. Very not going to really get into the deep waters.

Speaker 2: Right, right? But the foot, but the footage itself is just like been here, done that. And did you see, like? Like I said, old Walter Cronkite, they're like good night from Chicago, where we're in a police state or something. And then the obnoxiousness and insanity of Richard good old Dick Nixon and Spiro Agnew. I mean some of this stuff, and I think the. The millennials, as they are characterized or the Gen X or the younger people who they you wonder like there’s no memory they didn't live through this they didn't see this and it was, it was retold and replayed as Forrest Gump and a movie. But the outrage and the indignation and the terror amongst liberals, with each racist tweet or misogynist tweet. Or that this whole. There's a certainnocence to think we haven't seen this before, or this hasn't this game hasn't been played. This the same old, checkers black and white. You jump my team. I'll jump your guy.

Speaker 5: Yeah, the thinness of that. The level, that's all. You think about or are aware of. I mean, yeah, like. Hey, It’s remarkable.

Speaker 2: And to just be able to manipulate or enthrall such a significant part of the population with the idea that has any relevance to what to do or how to act when the hurricane hits your town, or when who. Who knows what? What tomorrow's headline stories going to be? But when there's a real? Real stuff going on when malnutrition in the urban centers of the United States right becomes a leading cause or opioid. Deaths become leading cause of death and too obscure any real attention to deaths of death spiration You know what, what society what? What what civilization? You know? Where are you coming from? What can be done different? And that just all gets obscured in this drama. Incredible dramand it's like these clowns have been here before. You know the clowns, the whole charade. You believe which T-shirt are you wearing today, hope or make America great again which hat? Do you wear which hat or which T-shirt?

Speaker 5: We'll put, yeah, yeah. And they do just a little bit better, and that includes anarchists too. That includes us. What do we have to control? That's frankly, as I've said before, a low level of discourse and again the disgraceful, the outrage of. Being finding ITS all exciting and interesting and selling it, that's just almost unbelievable.

Speaker 2: Well and fetches dovetails into. I'm just going to keep hitting on that desk of desperation because that is nihilism that is where the two are hand in hand.

Speaker 4: Yeah we do. This great.

Speaker 5: All right? Mr. Gray.

Speaker 7: Yes, I am here.

Speaker 5: Alrighty, what's happening?

Speaker 7: I just wanted to say a quick thing to Catherine. I like her death of desperation. Phrase I think maybe what we're actually looking at in a larger scale is death by distraction.

Speaker 2: That's another yeah.

Speaker 7: All this just distraction from what's going on, and that's what we're mostly going to die from. As long as they can keep us distracted.

Speaker 5: Good point, that's part of the machine that's for sure.

Speaker 2: Sensory overload.

Speaker 7: Circus is not new.

Speaker 5: No, it's not new.

Speaker 2: There's OK, thanks, great thanks for calling.

Speaker 7: OK, yeah, right right.

Speaker 5: Take care man. Well, we've got. The answers though in so many ways, I mean. If you want to. Get in a little bit here on the tech thing new scientists for September 18th. Talks about chat bots and we've got the artificial intelligence, so to speak. With Siri Alexa, you can have a conversation. Here's a here's an advance on this. Chat bots for the dying kid you not. Conversations people near the end of their lives sometimes don't get the chance to have these important conversations before it's too late. That just is staggering. That's not a conversation. I'm sorry, but it's could instead, said this piece starts, could chat bots lend a non judgmental ear to people making decisions about the end of their life. A virtual age and helps people have conversations. Yeah, yeah, get your life in order at the end by talking to a machine that this really. I don't know how you drop that.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah no and I would just put that with this. You know this whole latest thing about Facebook and the politics. So we've got somebody. We've got a whole crowd looking in live radio. But anyway, yeah, Facebook's.

Speaker 5: Clicking in the window nice.

Speaker 2: Algorithm problem was the one article I clipped on it, but it's this. This whole recognition, this whole all the chitter chatter about the election and Trump and electoral politics. And the Russians stealing the election or who stole what it or whatever and you've just got this incredible. Incredible relationship to Facebook and the. We'll have to quote from the article thing why Facebook matters is how I would phrase it. Facebook has become the go to site for anyone hoping to reach a big audience because most of its systems are either largely or entirely automated. Facebook saves money through community policing, relying heavily on its users to do the leg work of flagging their content. Blah blah blah. This, combined with deep surveillance based profiling, enormous scale automation, lack of sufficient human oversight and a tendency to react to public relations crises. Instead of making proactive changes, helps us to explain blah blah blah Facebook and their role in the election. And I, I think It’s worthwhile to pay attention. I mean, the focus is on the election and how it affected the election. But really, what you're talking about is the ability to manipulate people and systems, and so your little chat box to talk about dying. Could just be another way to enforce polity policy of euthanasia or something you can't not might like to listen to you and advise you a bit of you're not really productive to society anymore. You old sucker go die, but really, I mean that there is. There's it's like giving up human agency to machines. Just hand it over because what? Because I can take a picture of myself, a selfie that proves I exist. You know, because I have no identity. I have nothing other than my connection. The machine.

Speaker 5: Yeah, you certainly have no privacy and. I think, relatedly, there were. Let's see, this was the 18th. There were two Wall Street Journal articles on that same day. Ringing the alarm bell about what is hackable, which is everything. Driverless, cars, smartphone, or smart home the smart you have everything wired.

Speaker 2: Right, right, and this supposed to be news that it's all hackable, whereas every day there's a story. Somebody else hatch, oh.

Speaker 5: For sure, for example,, this from the BBC. Imagine a hacker remotely turning off a life support machine, any Brexit, death.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5: Whether it's a. Going to happen or not, or shutting, shutting down. Anything ? Again, the hacking. Oh, and here's a good. Here's a good piece of that from the Sun. A cyber security sign that has issued a bizarre warning that sex robots could one day rise up and kill their owners if hackers they could, they could breach the robot to defenses. The controls take control.

Speaker 1: Right?

Speaker 2: OK.

Speaker 5: Kill whoever is depraved enough to have. Sex with a robot in the 1st place. But yeah, there's nothing that they can't. Get into so. Carl, just the word of.

Speaker 4: The wise it's hot in here.

Speaker 5: Man yeah Gary. Oh geez, yeah. And like you said they the algorithm bit we started on that a little bit too.

Speaker 2: But it really really it. It is about control manipulation. You get all the information we people willingly give it. You know where you taking your picture of yourself with your selfie.

Speaker 5: It was about a week ago or so. Another aspect of that in terms of surveillance techno can there's now artificial intelligence in some application can detect whether people are gay or straight. What what their politics are, what their IQ? Yeah, this just around the corner. It'll be operative and all it is a photo of your face from that supposedly alone due to some algorithmic deal.

Speaker 2: Right, right? Right so you? I mean, you're supposed to. Your belief system is that, yeah, that. So they take a picture. They look on my face and they tell me, whoa, I'm I'm an old man. I had no idea but. That whole, going back to the whole thing of agency and control is just like you choose to. It’s yeah, it's a one way St you go down that you go down that road and the machine is going to tell you what you are and who you are and what you believe and whether or not your life support machine should be turned off.

Speaker 5: It is. And they even. If you make the claim that It’s diagnostic, the all this digital phenotyping they called do again with algorithms and all the rest of it with photo imaging and so forth. So the technological culture isolates and depresses. But then it comes around like it pretty much always does. It's created the problem that comes around. Oh, but now we can fix it because see where we can tell you need help, right?

Speaker 2: Right right, yeah no. I mean, it's a it's an ugly new world.

Speaker 5: Can tell everything. Yeah, and what does it depend on? That industrial energy production that never stops last Friday? This this from out of what field, I don't know, but. Nine elephants were electrocuted in East Botswana when they came in contact with the foul ball and power line. It's all technology. Sure it is. And but some people, they raise these timid alarms. Maybe you saw this piece. I think it was in The Sunday Times we could go by Nicholas Carr who wrote the shallows, ? These are not the robots were promised. You know. In other words, creepy. You think it's they're supposed to look like us and sound like us and everything and? Yeah, It’s the chat bots advance and all the rest of. It keeps on going. You know that old phrase, the uncanny valley. There is a little difference between humans and machines. Let us pray, yeah, I mean. Yeah, and he's talking about what does this tell us about society as we as we move in this direction these. Disembodied the machines that you're supposed to just keep us quiet and supply all these things. Even to the point of death, were just saying, whoa. Yeah, and man, there's a piece Sunday the 17th. In Amish country, the future is calling and this all about how these. Laptops, cell phones and everything. Yeah, this the Amish. They're losing their grip on the anti tech thing is pretty good article, it's it. It really discloses all this in a a cool way. And then it's it says. It refers to the kids chasing butterflies in the garden. How long they going to be chasing those butterflies. You know now they're going to be hooked. Up to the to the life sucking machines. Unless I mean it's not a done deal, but that's where it's going. The future is calling as they point out. 11

Speaker 2: Those butterflies will be little drones, surveillance yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5: Yeah, well butterflies are disappearing anyway, so. Young woman says she was upset by how people have become so attached to their phones. People are treating those phones like they are gods. They're bowing down to it at the table, bowing down to it when they're walking here we say we don't bow down to idols. And that's getting dangerously close. I think the Amish woman's noticing what's going on.

Speaker 2: I was trying to think who was who was isn't it that French author who lived back or something who talked about the position of submission and that's what the Amish woman is referring to? The same thing like the posture of the person with their phone and with their handheld device is in a. Submissive head down, bowing type position and you can see that if you just look around you where it is submission.

Speaker 4: I've read, do you ever hear this that the that same posture with your head down like 40 degrees like that? It's like a common posture that you have in church. You know about your head and everything and I've always heard that was a way to put you in a more suggestive state of mind.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: It's sort of. If that. Angle of your head and where the way your eyes naturally roll up in your head. That way, sort of induces a trance like state where you. More you become more into what's being told to you.

Speaker 5: Oh really, yeah.

Speaker 2: I would I would not be surprised if that wouldn't be another another aspect.

Speaker 5: Another part.

Speaker 2: Of just the whole.

Speaker 5: It yeah. I hadn't heard that's cool. I mean, it's. Not cool, but.

Speaker 4: Now everybody bow your head.

Speaker 5: Let's try this well. Curse is here. I think he's here. Probably he's in the building. Thank you so much, Catherine, that's so great.

Speaker 2: Ohh good to be down here good be.

Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to slowly adjust the schedule, and hope this.

Speaker 2: And she'll be anarchic with me between now and the new year.

Speaker 5: OK.

Speaker 2: You'll never know when I'm going to appear.

Speaker 5: Well Cliff will be here on the 17th of October, and you'll probably be here on the 24th, right?

Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 5: There we go. Yeah, we're going to we're going to launch out now all the schools in session here at the University of Oregon and students everywhere. Some refer to them as rodents, but not be. Well, grab us next week. It'll be just Carl and me.

Speaker 2: That'll be good. I haven't heard from Carl for a while or Cliff.

Speaker 5: Yeah, cofidence surgery.

Speaker 2: Oh Kristen you yeah.

Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll be back before too long. And we're probably going to hear more about the rewilding events up in Portland.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say they didn't call in. We want to hear more on that.

Speaker 5: We're waiting a little bit closer to the actual event, which makes sense.

Speaker 2: Is it the end of October?

Speaker 5: The 20th to the 21st or 22nd right in there that. OK, here they're really good. I'm glad they have taken the initiative to do this. Already it looks really interesting. OK, see you next week. Be well.

09-12-2017

[audio] Extreme weather/mutual aid. End times in the air, mass shootings. Plants vs. pollutantss. Android entered in portrait competition, online trust? Ugly art. "The Case Against Civilization," by John Lanchester, "Tech People," by Nagib Aminy @ Thisissomenoise.com. Action news, two calls.

09-05-2017

[audio] Smoked out! The West is burning. Hurricane Harvey and the future of cities. "American Horror Story: Cult," Eden" TV series and what they tell us. Tech as the new religion - while civ reveals itself all the more fully. One call (about indis- criminate violence), action briefs.

08-29-2017

[audio] Hurricane Harvey - a "natural" disaster? Chomsky now a primitivist; The Chiseler strikes again! Global over-heating/extinctions/air pollution/recalls news. Forest Defenders R back. Cliff at Seattle Anarchist Book Fair. Stephen Pinker: Enlightenment Now(!) Action news, one call.

08-22-2017

[audio] Cliff co-hosts. Cascadia Cave. Rising fascist threat ??(e.g. Boston, Durham) Coral, kelp dying out globally. Barcelona jihadists "normal"! Anews editorial #25: Subjectivism 101. David Byrne, Zizek(!) on technology. A vaccine for heroin. LED eyelashes, NurturePod by Stuart Candy. One call.

08-15-2017

[audio] Alice and John do the show. Charlottesville weekend; How big is the fascist threat? Scary civ news of the week. Our 8 days in New York. Modern humans in SE Asia 20,000 years earlier than thought. Google uber alles. Action news, one call.

08-08-2017

[audio] JZ back from NYC, Kathan co-hosts. Global HEAT. Gulf of Mexico dead zone growing. Air conditioning killing planet, isolation bigger cause of death than obesity. More dead cops. Black Seed#5. The insanity of mental health via smartphones. Artificial Intelligence not panning out. Action news, one call.

07-25-2017

[audio] Check out '80s movie "Cutters Way", Laura Dassow Walls' new Thoreau biography, Affluence and Abundance by James Suzman, and Laylat Revolutionary Left Radio(!). Major drought, disease reports. China goes for astrology. Nihilism expanded. True Companion: an AI robot one can buy and simulate rape. Action news, one call.

07-18-2017

[audio] Show's over, ITS. New England Journal of Medicine: "The current level of air pollution is toxic." Full Stop. Delaware-size iceberg breaks off Antarctica. Breaking the Spell by Chris Robe. Leftist take on Hamburg G20. Death of George Romero, birth of zombie culture. Robot drowns in fountain; listen to podcasts 4x as fast. Ad of the week: Qualcomm/ in love with phone. Action news, one call.

07-11-2017

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Hamburg!!! ITS hits new low (31st communique). Trap of high tech medicine. The proximity of an iphone - on or off - makes you stupid. "Biological annihilation" (6th mass extinction well underway). Tennis star too "bored" to win at Wimbledon. Digital theme park in Thailand opening. Air on cruise ship decks gravely polluted. Lots of action news, three calls.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you are listening to anarchy radio on kid with Eugene. We're going to start off tonight with what we promised you last week, but we actually have it now. Enrique galecki Symphony #3

Speaker 5: Alrighty, it's June 11th. And joining legend me Kathryn is here to co-host.

Speaker 4: Town from Portland at the regular going to be the second Tuesday of every month.

Speaker 5: Thank you. OK alright yeah. Second Tuesdays. From now on.

Speaker 4: Try that for a while.

Speaker 5: Well, I'd say the big news was Hamburg, Hamburg, Hamburg, Thursday, Friday and Saturday, and I don't think we have to go into details. It's available all over the place. Quite amazing 20,000 pigs were not enough. And I noticed the post mortem yesterday in the New York Times and one of the one of theadlines was German officials were caught off guard by waves of protests.

Speaker 4: That was Wall Street journals was. Germany seeks to explain how G20 riots spiraled.

Speaker 5: And they did spell Mark supermarkets looted and major damage and arsons across. All over almberg

Speaker 4: 476 officers injured. According to the bunch of vehicles burning.

Speaker 5: Yes, yes. Yeah, extensive war zone. And yeah, just when they thought and maybe some of us some of the. Rest of us thought. Things were really on the wane. These people, these fat cats, thought they could have it in a major city instead of some fortress. Some isolated place, or some island where. Where people would wanted to make trouble couldn't even reach, but they made the mistake of miscalculating on that one. I think that's. You never know these days things seem seems dead and then bang.

Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how many years I think it was a decade that they only could go out of the cities. So this was, pretty big unexpected yeah.

Speaker 5: I think you're right, it was about 10 years.

Speaker 1: That's the first I'm hearing of it.

Speaker 5: Ah, you don't watch your cable news too much, huh? Well, it was pretty giant and it raged. All of those three days till it started on the eve of the thing and it was still going strong Saturday night. And the wow the footage is pretty incredible and just. Just to take it in and then there was the unrelated deal. All those Porsches still in their crates. Apparently somewhere on the outskirts of Hamburg. That was another. And tank had nothing to do with G20 as I understand it, they burned. I don't know how many brand new Porsches that has been shipped.

Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't see about the Porsches.

Speaker 5: Well, and yeah, there's I don't know if anybody wants to call us 5413460645. About Hamburg or whatever, we're going to get into a few things tonight, I know. And here's the latest. Speaking of pigs, the guy the cop in Minnesota who was acquitted last month. Killing the black motorist. Philando Castile shot the guy seven times. And today he got his. He got $48,500 from his local pig station. In the Minneapolis suburb. So there's a bounty on blacks. I guess you gunned them down. This guy was not doing nothing sitting in his car with his girlfriend and her daughter shot just point blank 7 times and he got paid 48,000 bucks for it.

Speaker 4: Get a reward, huh?

Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the. That's the reward you get. OK. Well, I think we got a call already. I don't think there were any last week. Yeah, good deal.

Speaker 7: We have a.

Speaker 1: We have a. Call all right. We have Dave Townsend from the Midwest. Let me get him on here.

Speaker 3: Hey John, yeah Dave yeah. Dave Hansen Midwest calling in from yeah I did man I listen to you guys every week and I just I know you're talking about climate change a lot. I'm not too sure exactly. You know, if you think I'm. Pearson's a nihilist or not? I'm not sure. Do you think he's a nihilist?

Speaker 5: No, I don't know. I, I wouldn't say, but he's. He made announcement of what a couple of years ago now that there's no hope there's no, we ain't going to win thing. And maybe that's over shadowed. I think he's had a lot to say and I've but I've got to confess. I sort of fixated on that. That's come on man, don't slam the door in possibilities, I'm not.

Speaker 3: No no no no no.

Speaker 5: You know what I mean? But no, I'm not. I'm not down on him.

Speaker 3: OK well cool man because he's gonna be. I'm calling up. Because he's doing a Midwest tour, he's starting up in Milwaukee tomorrow. He's going to be in the South side of Chicago tomorrow night, which is Thursday and then he's going to go up to Madison. So nature bats last. If people want to talk to the man. You can see them live here in the Midwest big.

Speaker 5: And catch the radio show too. He's still doing the nature of bats last days.

Speaker 3: Yeah, that's once. A month he. He's doing a he's he's doing like a video thing now. And I'm not so sure about the radio thing anymore because I think he missed it last. What was up yesterday or whatever but.

Speaker 8: OK.

Speaker 3: Either way, man. Hey I did your show and. You know the message. Is out man. The message is out. You know. It's like the radicals are here. You know we are the radicals, right?

Speaker 5: All right, hey, thanks for theads up man.

Speaker 3: You know, alright, great, I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 5: Appreciate it all right. Take care.

Speaker 3: Bye bye.

Speaker 5: Midwest going in.

Speaker 4: There you go, staying up late out there.

Speaker 5: OK, this something I know. Maybe we both want to get out of the way and not even go there, but the the thing. The reference to Homburg. There was a reference in the 31st ITS communique. It's a whole little issue in itself, whether that's available or maybe people have more or less wisely decided not to distribute. It I don't. You know, but. 325 No state was apparently going to do was going to offer their own critique of the individualist, tending toward the wild. But as you read, I think they didn't. They haven't yet done it, so these ITS people a little impatient.

Speaker 4: A little impatient they couldn't wait, so makes me wonder, was 325 no state going to do or not?

Speaker 5: They couldn't wait. Well, they haven't been around for the last two months and they've been around forever. They're very real. Well, I don't know what's up, probably no.

Speaker 4: Yeah, I just taken ITS at face value is how?

Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe they left town.

Speaker 4: To live the world.

Speaker 5: They thought they might get shot. Anyway, the reference to the vacation, the thing said. Yeah, well, maybe they went on vacation in Hamburg, yeah facing 20,000 pigs is a party is a vacation to you, but not murdering some young woman trying to make a phone call. Or two hikers a couple out in the woods. Well, that's real stuff there, and that's real come. That these people are more nuts than ever. This last one. And of course, they always say we're not. We're not about trying to convince anyone, so why do you keep pumping out these? These communiques It’s a bit of a joke and they actually said in the thing here that this latest one. They took credit for killing three people in May, but they were strongly implying, if not explicitly saying that they've killed more people than that than. They've taken credit for. So they're bad, they're totally bad.

Speaker 4: They, oh, they like to they like to carry on and boast and bloodbath is their thing. But oh Hamburg, ? Oh it's just.

Speaker 5: Yeah no. Well, in another death threat I got the first one and now this Scott Campbell Mr Campbell. You should value your life more. Tell me that's not a death threat. So I think some people are. Finally fed up with this psychopath stuff.

Speaker 4: For the whole communique was this step over this line? Come on down? Find us, come on down, thing, yeah, reminds me 1020 years ago, the.

Speaker 5: Yeah, bring your guns.

Speaker 4: Young males juvenile juveniles who were enchanted with snuff films. You know it is the same same dance focus.

Speaker 5: Oh my God. That's because yeah and how about the? The Gringo critics of the racial thing, they're gringo critics of ITS are ****** fagots. They're they're, they're just way, they've lost it. Whatever show they've been putting on, they're now just blowing it this absurd, homophobic bitter. The macho deal is, is even I didn't think you could get lower, but I think they maybe have. And of course it does have the nihilist punch line the I'm quoting the era, in which we find ourselves has no escape. Well, that's great. That's Trump couldn't have said it any better, right? No escape, no hope. So these people are already as if they weren't for years now already off the rails, but. Yeah, this just a goofy thing and the part of it that's not offensive is just rambling about various right wingers and leftists around the world. What is the? What is the point? What what is that all about? What is it have to do with anything? It's really something and yeah, and the people who I'm glad that various people have backed away from this. And there anybody is invited to if you think this 1 sided and wrong then pick up your phone.

Speaker 4: Watching more and more people are are registering in that it's not 1 sided and that it is that ITS is a bunch of loonies.

Speaker 1: We have

Speaker 4: You know pathological loonies.

Speaker 5: And we both noticed. This post to anarchist news. Which I and I've tried to get a message, tried to get answer from the news folks about whether this represents them. I don't think it probably came from anyway, it's very short. It says and this was yesterday the 7th. I mean the 10th check the Atassa blog. I won't link to it. It hasn't communicated the threatened violence against anarchist. I think this the second anarchist. They threaten to kill. I think that is enough to lose the ability to be published here. So I don't know if that's the editorial policy of anarchist news or just somebody else who feels that it should be. That it was at briefly yesterday at Anarchist News and then it disappeared. So anyway.

Speaker 4: That's undoubtedly a positive development.

Speaker 5: Yeah, and I totally agree with. You Katherine, it's just. We've been in this cesspool too long to even, to discuss it at all. Is is appalling and puts you in need of a shower. As I see it.

Speaker 4: Now I would say if people get their jollies on that and want to take it to a higher level, they could read some of the old Russian novelists like try Google or Turgenev just aski. You know, you could get a sampling of. Young out of control. Males would be my.

Speaker 5: Well, young and nutsy and I agreed with the point that Aragorn made on the recent the brilliant deal where he said a lot of this is almost verbatim from the Catechism of the Revolution or by nature. In the 19th century Russian it was just straight up nihilist. Thing, and I thought that was a very. Good point. I mean that in. Itself, you have to. You have to then suss it out well. What's wrong with that, of course is the next question, but.

Speaker 4: Well, I think there were some remarks on the archived show from last week of Anarchy Radio that. That showed showed to me some commonality. It was some challenger who didn't have the money to call in. With that, Aragorn or somebody was responding that they wouldn't be calling in the show because they don't have, .

Speaker 5: I guess I. Missed that.

Speaker 4: I guess they don't have unlimited calling or whatever.

Speaker 5: Oh well, I noticed Eric Gardens where you. Somebody said why don't you call the show when there isn't trashes on you and you never call? You know you don't call him, he said. We have a fine relationship. I don't think there's any need for any big debate. Which I found a little surprising, but fine. If that's the way.

Speaker 4: Well and I'm pretty sure yeah, and that's what I.

Speaker 5: It's not about a personal abuse.

Speaker 4: I didn't see a defense of the. ITS manifestation of nihilism and it was like I'm not a nihilist and interesting. That was what I thought was interesting. Making a correlation with spirituality. Trying to ? That then maybe there's some relationship. A blood sacrament. Or, that there's.

Speaker 5: Yeah, that well that was a little bit surprising. The Abe Contrera quote or his commentary that. That politics now becomes theology, and he is at some point or another. If not now, he's a a Christian. Theology guy. I mean that raises various questions.

Speaker 4: Theology and philosophy. You know it's like, yeah.

Speaker 5: One thing real Christian to go out and murder people for no reason.

Speaker 4: SO table.

Speaker 5: But anyway, yeah I. Wasn't quite following that. Alrighty, well go ahead if you want to jump in. I've been checking all that.

Speaker 4: Well, well, I guess I'll just go into a little bit of tech because that's what if you're all caught up in the ITS stuff and all that you there's no no acknowledgement, critique, nothing, just utilization of the current technology do. Continue the present situation perhaps. But no, the all this talk about Obamacare and Trumpcare and all that all about just funding of thealthcare system and it's like creating diversion. Nobody don't look behind the curtain and see what has has been going on and. Is going on at a hugely accelerated rate. And my sources this week they were Wall Street Journal articles last week, but especially about crisper crisper. Is the new way we can tinker with life itself, rewriting the code of Life has never been so easy. Christopher, I think somebody asked for. What's the acronym stand for? Clustered regularly interspaced short palindromic repeats, but basically it makes editing DNA easy and cheap and it's being. Advertised as this wonderful going to cure sickle cell anemiand cancer all this great stuff with oh. But of course there's risks, but they're not really enumerated or looked at, but you can guess that disaster would be a consequence of. You know, replicating DNA that may be. Produced robotic type soldiers, aggressive ITS types, individuals but something releasing like something that reproduces like that life forms is just like never been there. Never done that. Going on the Uncharted territory contributing to. To absolute disaster and that. The article the gene editors are only getting started. They did an interview with Jennifer Doudna, who's the Berkeley scientist who's been in on zapping the DNA of and she's just written a book, a crack in creation. trying to explain more what's going on. You know what it is. It's being done. under radar because it's not considered or tagged as genetically modified because it's not genetic modification, it's just taking over the gene itself.

Speaker 5: Well, I wonder how long they're going to get away with saying they're only. Getting started, they've. Been making these claims which haven't produced anything, so it's accurate in that sense, we're only getting started well. So when are you going to, make good on some of these things. Not that I wanted to go forward, of course. Yeah, like you said it, it's it just opens the door. To all this stuff so.

Speaker 4: Well, I mean it opens like an unbelievable door in terms of people thought cloning was a little worrisome. Emerge genetic genetic modification of organisms, stuff. This like more of that accelerated technology. Just moving so fast without. Without really understanding what you're doing, one of the one of the things now the patent holders are going to pool so that they can release it faster. I mean, everything's on fast track and how wonderful it is.

Speaker 1: Well, the dangers of developing any technology have never stopped us before, so I doubt that they will this time.

Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4: The big players involved Broad Institute, University of California, Berkeley. They like fighting over the patent, so if they settle that then they all get to move ahead.

Speaker 5: They figure they'll be big.

Speaker 4: Right? Potentially revolutionizing the treatment of disease.

Speaker 5: And also in that same weekend, Wall Street Journal. Did you see that piece called the Smart Medicine solution? We need the tools of information age medicine. Well, that's another thing that hasn't paid off. I mean, It’s boosted healthcare costs enormously, and there's study after study that says it. It doesn't give. You better results than the than the older ways to do it. Isn't that right?

Speaker 4: I mean it's constant like that. Yeah, that was. I mean it is it's for investment in the cheaper sensors. Simpler and more routine imaging regular regular use of now. Widely available genetic analysis algorithms and artificial intent. Intelligence to make it possible for doctors to rapidly apply blah blah blah.

Speaker 5: Yeah, they're dreaming. They're just making more fantasy claims that the fact is it's enormously expensive. It's just hugely raised. The cost of medicine.

Speaker 4: Enormously expensive hands off go go go into, go into your provider.

Speaker 5: Hands off.

Speaker 4: And I mean I can't get over with all of this. They're always redoing thealth record so that they have up-to-date information and you still you better bring in your bottles of medicine because they don't know what you're taking or what's been prescribed. You know, but now they’re advising even. You know that constant updating that information the individual, so tracking your heart rate, your blood pressure, everything just day-to-day to day-to-day to intense but. Not listen to somebody or touch them. No, I don't think we want. To do that?

Speaker 5: Or have the subject the patient be more in touch with their own body instead of all these technical technical metrics that you're supposed to. Be computing.

Speaker 4: And then also don't forget the medical coaches, the Siri Alexa type.

Speaker 3: All right?

Speaker 4: That's also the other piece. Yeah, throw in your own personal coach, John.

Speaker 5: It is one of my favorites from UCLA News today. This. Things about depression. And the enormous cost of antidepressants and so forth. But now the similar Institute for Neuroscience and Human Behavior at UCLA is doing transcranial magnetic stimulation, which targets. Which beams targeted magnetic pulses deep inside patients brains and approach that has been likened to rewiring a computer? Isn't it unbelievable?

Speaker 4: No, that.

Speaker 5: Your brain is a computer, yeah?

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah no that was that was the other one on.

Speaker 5: That's crazy.

Speaker 4: Basically there was a one of their little articles was telepathic telepathy by using that same technology, different article. But the same thing flashed light in the brain and then what's reflected back. You can measure neural activity, neural activity, neural networks. You know you're not seeing behind the scenes what. What this ? What is it we're just talking about Obamacare and how to fund this? You know, intense, intense machination, Mac. How would you say machining of the body, basically?

Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the model. Have you seen little? Just one thing I constantly trip on is how? All of these promises all these claims that get more grandiose. They come and go, then they'll change the subject and boost something else, which may or may not pan out. Usually it doesn't. Meanwhile, today Takata is adding a new type of airbag inflator to the nation's largest auto recall, adding 2.7 million vehicles to the recall. Because of these airbag things you think they can't do that other stuff. How hard is it to make a safe airbag? Apparently it's impossible. It's just impossible. But you're supposed to believe in all these sort of crap. Part mechanistic model. Things like your brain is just a machine. We just rewire it as if it's a piece of equipment. I mean, it's that's crazy. But yeah, they can't even do. They can't build a car that doesn't get recalled, so why would anyone think? You know this the. I guess the wackier they make it really the most grandiose. You're supposed to believe it's. Foolproof or something when they can't do simple.

Speaker 4: Well, you're supposed to just buy it and let it happen. Then what then? The consequences that the planet is uninhabitable anymore? Well, you're supposed to be surprised. Where did this come from? The other one career? The future robots psychologist is basically along the lines of what you're saying. It's like the artificial intelligence. The way it work. Is through training experience into networks of simulated neurons. The result is in code, but an unreadable tangled mass of millions of artificial neurons and basically what? You program in the machine, begins programming itself, and then you lose track, so you don't even know how it's making decisions, and so that's like the self driving cars or whatever.

Speaker 8: Right then.

Speaker 4: It's like why it would choose to ram your vehicle head on into another vehicle. We're not sure that can happen, but we don't know what the robot, what the machine was thinking, where it went wrong.

Speaker 5: The control disappears in various ways I guess.

Speaker 4: It's important to know when an AI will fail or behave unexpectedly.

Speaker 5: Really, virtually guaranteeing it to start usord virtually. Here's a bit of a virtual thing that else notices for celebrity cruises.

Speaker 4: Yeah, really.

Speaker 5: You've got these fantastically big giant hotels. On the water. For that. Somehow move around and you imagine you're on the CPU or something I guess. The latest One Eden, is a transformational new space on Celebrity Edge. This part of celebrity cruises and I couldn't. I don't actually. Know what this all about, but the ad full page ad magazine ad there's no need to suspend reality. We'll do it for you. And this ostensibly an ad for taking a cruise ship.

Speaker 4: Is it a real cruise?

Speaker 5: Well, it is a real cruise, but apparently this these ships or this Eden line of celebrity cruises is. It changes, It’s the sort of high tech design thing and it's got performance, art and all sorts of stuff. It's like a big show. I mean, you, why not stay? Why get on the ship, ?

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5: I mean, It’s really hard to follow here, but they’re trying to peddle the same high tech stuff. Or virtual reality stuff. I guess there's no need to suspend reality. We'll do it for you. Is that where you want to go on an ocean cruise? I mean, don't you?

Speaker 1: Maybe you can sit in a virtual reality chamber that takes you on a virtual cruise while you're. On the cruise.

Speaker 5: While you're on the cruise, yeah, or I guess, yeah, It’s something like that.

Speaker 4: You'd be on the Willamette, and you think you're going down the Nile?

Speaker 5: Or you could sit on your couch and get fat and diabetic and the and the dream that you're not paying thousands of dollars to sit on your couch. But you're actually, I don't know. I don't even some of these things are so. Out there that it's hard to tell. There's no, there's a. There's a photo of the interior. It looks like a Arboretum or something in the middle. Lots of greenery and decks and everything lighting and stuff, but I don't see the ocean. It's got to be there somewhere. Well, we maybe we should take a music break. I think we have. We got Zappa for the break.

Speaker 1: Frank Zappa.

Speaker 5: Oh yes, the classic valley girls. The classic.

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Speaker 3: OK.

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Speaker 3: Buying the fair, it's fair and square. Nails guys.

Speaker 9: So like I go into the Flex salon, place in here and I want like to get my toenails done and the. Lady like goes. Oh my God, your toenails are like so Brody. It was like really embarrassing. She's like Oh my God like bag this toenails I'm. Like sure she goes. I don't know if I can handle this, I. Was like, totally embarrassed. Like my mother's like a total space cadet. She's like make me do the dishes and. Clean the cat box. I am sure. It's like close. Work out.

Speaker 6: Hi my name, my name is Andrew Wilson Andrea.

Speaker 9: I know.

Speaker 5: And we're off, we're back, we're on to Action News and everything surprising these days, I guess. But it's we do have some good stuff here. Was a reference to the ongoing refugee solidarity occupations in Athens. This run by anarchists and there's been a battle over that, and I'd like to get an update on that. And let's see.

Speaker 4: Call us call in nothing.

Speaker 5: Yeah, call us from Athens or if something about it and we got a couple of things as usual that only appeared but are certainly not just from the past week, they're prior to that. England, the very the sort of the beginnings of the country's shale industry that they're starting up with the fracking, or they're going to try to, but. Between 18th and the 24th of May, somebody entered the facility. Regarding the onshore drilling. Yeah, this shale gas drilling major damage and it's caused a big deal according to a source, the rig was attacked with sledgehammers to smash its touch screen, computers and windows components were drilled out. Thematic pipes and electrical cables were cut. This got their attention. This like a major. Concerted deal and let's see. This also further back, but just revealed in English anyway. Eight or more vehicles of the RDF Corporation in France. That's an electrical power distro outfit in Grenoble. Explicitly anti tech. June 30th also June 30th in Christ, France. The offices of the energy company Anitys, which I think is somehow allied with the RDF. Was burned with 10 liters of gasoline and to communicate with this following this accompanying. This was not only anti tech but anti civilization which they say civilization itself at the genesis of domination. And domestication, which makes us civilized. Signed by kick. The conspiracy on individualistic complicity. K articles all and K's mostly in case which in English is conspiracy of complicit individuals and chaotics not the greatest name. Very cool. And it's the June 30th. Yeah, this the same deal and they go they I'm not going to go further into the communication. Alf stuff. June 30th in Santiago office. Office of the Government Bureau, Agriculture and Livestock Service hit with 10 fire bombs. Van Thorsted ink and the mink farm in Italy, near Venice, on July 1st. And various shooting towers were destroyed in various places in the UK. On July 5th, various groups were involved in the concerted. Thing and on the night of Thursday, July 6th, we penetrated within the enclosure of the Anitas building and, well, this. This the same deal the arson increst the energy supplier and they just. I guess. What is it about energy and technology? It's pretty good stuff. The question this at some real depth for sure, and I'll see also Thursday the 6th we set fire to signal cables for the coal line on the in the Rhine. While in Hamburg the cops were busy. We used the quiet of the night in the absence of our cops to pay a hostile visit to the to RWE, which is a coal extraction company and they burned the cables, supplying energy. Yeah, I mentioned the Porsche attack on a large number of Porsches. It doesn't say. That was yeah late last week Friday night. They were yeah in their original packages. As it says, the luxury cars outside the port center. And Sunday, July 9th fire destroyed part of the conveyor belt used to transport. The nickel ore. In Kaaua in New Caledonia, in the South Pacific. There was a fire in the wee hours there. Wasn't the first time that this outfit has been attacked. And or set on fire or people trying to stop the toxic mining down there and over the weekend I don't know why there wasn't much about this. Maybe it's just me who couldn't find it but Oakland this past weekend. 4 fire. Major fire in the wee hours at a construction site. Two days ago. There was another construction site, arson. And federal arson investigators. Being called in is yeah. People are taking these new developments. Great Big photo looks like giant. In the Burnley area in Central England June 8th tires slashed on trucks at slaughterhouses we sliced the tires of every single meat truck at the slaughterhouse. And Digbeth, which is near Birmingham and lots of other damage. Animal rights movement in Birmingham is gaining momentum. I heard that somewhere else too. Yeah, and one last thing last night. In Bigsby, Oklahoma, suburb of Tulsa. An explosion seems like it was a pipe bomb, struck a US Air Force recruiting office. In Bixby in northeast Oklahoma. Mom scrub short. I was the. It was the second time. This week that they that there was a recruiting office bombed. In Bixby OK, which is of course the big center of radical activity, amazing. So yeah, that's some of it. I know I never get it all, that's for sure, but. And Collins 5413460645. And Elijah is standing there, waiting, sitting there, waiting.

Speaker 1: Do it now before it's too late.

Speaker 4: Well, let's see been a lot of verbiage about extinction, so let's see the ends of the world is a new book. The fire last time about the five previous extinctions, and then the Guardians been giving some? Some coverage to Earth 6th 6th mass extinction event already underway, scientists warn.

Speaker 5: Yeah, there has been. Seems like all at once has been a bunch of stuff on that to biological annihilation is when? Called in a film about once again the Great Barrier Reef. The corals are dying all over the world. It's a film about the death of nature on the planet Earth. Point and again, tied together with the extinction news. The 6th grade extinction. It's not just an idea, obviously. Yeah, this proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences is sober sighted journal. They use the term biological annihilation. That the six mass extinction is definitely underway. Chasing coral. Yeah, that was the one and the line is.

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5: We're documenting the planet dying.

Speaker 4: We got nothing called.

Speaker 1: All right, we have Howard from North Carolina.

Speaker 4: Hello Howard.

Speaker 8: You were just talking about the mass extinction. I don't know if you're if you're familiar with what just came out today from the. National Academy of Science. About the six mass extinction. Of course there's nothing new, and that we've already known about this, but what is new? They their report said that the it's worse than they thought. They had previously thought. And they named-5 main drivers of this extinction. They said it was overpopulation overconsumption. Habitat loss. Toxic pollution and climate change. What they didn't mention was all five of those things can be traced back to. Technological developments over the last couple 100 years.

Speaker 5: Right, right? Yeah, why don't you realize this and what drives it, yeah?

Speaker 8: No, we're nothing.

Speaker 5: So how's it going down there? How's how's it going down there, man?

Speaker 8: It's been going pretty good. Hot very hot today.

Speaker 5: Huh, humid? I bet too huh?

Speaker 8: Excuse me

Speaker 5: Humid as well.

Speaker 8: Oh yeah, it's terrible today. It was in the 90s and. Felt like it's about 100 degrees. Most time tomorrow. And there was another related report saying that 71% of all greenhouse gas emissions. Can be traced to just 100 corporations around the world. And the leaders, of course, are the usual suspects like Exxon Mobil, BP and Chevron. So when. If he if anarchist wants something that's you on besides. Beating up on the fascists, maybe they can get on. Some of this stuff.

Speaker 4: There you go. Good advice, good recommendation.

Speaker 5: Good to hear from you, Howard. Take care man.

Speaker 8: Talk to you later bye.

Speaker 5: Yeah, this, but this something possibly related. If there's always some air pollution scariness going on this. This grab me this. This we could go in the Guardian. Check this out, passengers on cruise ships could be exposing themselves to dangerous levels of pollution. You're thinking well. Cruise ship. Cruise ships again, right? More than almost 2 million people from the UK, the Guardian Paper, right travel and Cruise each year. And they said it's the principal sign here. They're they're twice as polluted. As yeah here it is. Double the amount of particulates found at London's Piccadilly Circus. Obviously in theart of London. And these things are just grotesquely giant, and they carry thousands of people and everything but.

Speaker 4: They sound like airplanes. They must be, we're not getting the fresh ocean air, are you?

Speaker 5: I guess not. Yeah, the public areas and ships decks is where they were monitoring the air more polluted than the world's worst affected cities.

Speaker 4: Wow, yeah.

Speaker 5: I wouldn't have guessed it. They're gross in a lot of ways. You know in a. Anyway, that's just that was. It was always something top. How can you be poisoned by breathing story? And that's another one. And an old favorite. Obviously, of this program, for me anyway, is the shootings on Thursday. A woman in Georgia stabbed to death her four young children and her husband. And on Saturday night near Cincinnati, that's where that big nightclub shoot up was a week ago or so nine people shot. At a private residence, one fatally. Yeah, never never, never. Anybody in the mainstream medianyway. Talking about what this chronic phenomenon is saying about mass society and late civilization, not ever a word happens every day, but still. The enforced stupidity is being pumped out. I mean, usually it's just news. It's just in flat out news even and a lot of this doesn't even make the news because it's so common.

Speaker 4: Right?

Speaker 5: You know mass shootings? Well, what is there to say about that? Well, nothing has been said about it yet. Except in a few. Ours as such as.

Speaker 4: Ours, the only the only times really it's looked at is when it's. Funnels into a story on the War on Terror, but with the average, everyday workplace, family or school type stuff.

Speaker 5: Right, right, right.

Speaker 4: Well now it's like become people are used to it. It's not a story.

Speaker 5: It's quite amazing. Well this. I got one little thing here. I was thinking about the Ubik novels and how they're the two that I think of the first one and the most recent one about the end of the line. No more juice, just these deep seated crises that people don't know. What to make of it? You know it and very crudely summarizing. Anyway, this a story from last Wednesday. Bernard Tomic I think it's pronounce. Possibly the best Australian tennis player playing at Wimbledon. He beat this guy that he played in the first round recently. Just thrashed him. There was nothing to it. He lost to this. Guy and he said he was bored. You know, I mean, I don't really follow tennis. I mean, but Wimbledon. That's the World Series world. The thing about. Now maybe we're just running out of gas completely. He shows up and loses to this guy who is not. Even competitive, and in fact they said all three of the top three. Of the top Australian tennis players lost in the first round. I mean, why? Why even bother? I don't know why, but it struck me as part of the whole general entropy in some way or another, except for Hamburg. Don't want to forget, but it's just astounding it or stunning. They just said what, how? How could you have lost this match and he just. So I was bored. Anyway, and the others did too. I mean, it wasn't just him. If you're making too much out of this right?

Speaker 4: I don't know. I heard I think I heard something about that story and was something to maneuver their ways to hire. They proceed further in the tournament if they lost early or something. I didn't know.

Speaker 8: Well, they're gone, they're.

Speaker 5: They're back in Australia. They lost. They're they're done, they lose and you're finished.

Speaker 4: We're just too bored to deal with it.

Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 4: Who knows?

Speaker 5: He just he wasn't saying any. I mean he wasn't making an excuse. Well, my ankle killed me. I've no wonder I lost or whatever.

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5: Well, you get back to the tech thing you were bringing up here. Just I wish I had more on this, but there's a. There's a very extravagant digital theme park in Bangkok, Thailand. That just opened, it's just opened. Yeah, late last week. And I don't. Know what the digital theme park is, but. It shows the store where they saw all kinds of. E stuff toys and so on. And it says later this year. Theme park will offer virtual reality rides. It was like the cruise ship. I guess I don't know.

Speaker 1: Wonder if you can wait in a virtual line.

Speaker 8: OK.

Speaker 4: Yeah good so virtual ride, . That would be.

Speaker 5: Probably have to pay actual money though.

Speaker 1: Well then then you might have to talk to the people that are in line with you so.

Speaker 5: Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: Maybe that's not so appealing.

Speaker 5: That's not good. Here's a great smartphone thing. This another. This from the University of Rochester. From Futurity is the. Is the place. New research indicates that our cognitive capacity is reduced whenever our phones are within reach. Whether it's turned on or off. Literally physically, if your phone is. Is is close you are dumb you just sort of yeah they conducted experiments with nearly 800 smartphone users in an attempt to measure for the first time how well people can complete tasks when they have their smartphones nearby, even when they're not using them. Or when they don't, when the phone is somewhere else. That amazing.

Speaker 4: That's pretty good. That's those neural networks you just be in the ambience of your smartphone and you're real dumb.

Speaker 5: It's just yeah we see a linear trend that suggests that as the smartphone becomes more noticeable, participants available cognitive capacity decreases. As this professor from University of Texas at Austin.

Speaker 1: So would that because part of their mind is thinking about if they would get a message or what they might like or whatever it is you do with the smartphone?

Speaker 5: That's yeah.

Speaker 4: Or I would think it's like you shut down because Google answer or whatever.

Speaker 5: Sounds logical.

Speaker 4: You just don't. You close off that part of your. Brain then you no longer can access that after a certain amount of conditioning.

Speaker 1: So the phone is going to have the answers for you so you don't need to think about it yourself.

Speaker 4: Right, right, right? Because it's all it's not about critical thinking or processing. Anything, it's just acquisition and throw it back. Regurgitation of information data.

Speaker 1: Not even accessing your own memory or experiences, yeah.

Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no no, no, no. We wouldn't want any of that.

Speaker 5: Well, that sounds right, . And this piece didn't, even they didn't try to explain it, they were just strictly laying it out. The sort of the data part of.

Speaker 4: Yeah well no, that was what I found very learning in all the medical that I was trying to bring up is just this whole this whole feedback. Build upon that relates to the what's being financed in thealthcare system, but also in the AI and. It's all these these networks that are reproduce themselves, and essentially you lose control. You know it's all taken over for you.

Speaker 5: The algorithms take over thing.

Speaker 1: From Frank.

Speaker 4: Hello Frank.

Speaker 7: Hey hey, how's it going?

Speaker 4: Pretty good, what's up? You got a few minutes.

Speaker 7: Is it just you there tonight? Catherine oh.

Speaker 4: No, no John's here.

Speaker 5: We're here's here.

Speaker 7: Oh oh OK, yeah, I just had two quick questions John and a lot of your writings you talked about. You know the failure of symbolic thought and the the post modern. Whatever discoveries of language. Basically, I don't know impotent or meaningless, so I was just wondering, how do you find the motivation to continue writing and contributing to this symbolic culture and just confused about that? And my second question is. How do you survive day-to-day like what? What do you do for money you shelter or just? That's it.

Speaker 5: OK, well it is confusing. It's yeah, here we are in a totally symbolic culture and. Trying to figure it out. I mean It’s yeah there's and nobody is outside of it. I mean you can try to think. How it works or why it's here and all the rest of that stuff which I find fascinating, but we're still. Yeah, I'm writing and it's quite symbolic and painting, and we're doing these things. You know, and music and. So on and. Yeah, I'm just. Making an effort to come up with something, maybe some speculative questions that might. You know, come to. You know other questions? And the other thing is just I just live with everybody else. I'm so I'm going to be 74 next month. So I've been getting Social Security for a while. And we live pretty modestly and. But I I don't claim the slightest privilege. I don't live any differently. Don't have a don't have a credit card or an iPhone. I don't own a computer, few little things like that, but that’s nothing and it doesn't. There's no distinction there. So yeah, did you think I lived in a cave or something? No, yeah, like we're all in here together and so what's new with you? I’m kidding, I'm not.

Speaker 7: Nothing much, just I mean I got into a car accident back in. Back in April, but luckily I made it out fine and got a nice got a nice check out of that. Just trying to survive.

Speaker 5: Oh, like Carl's driving in foot biking in front of that car. Now he's getting a big check. No, I'm kidding. I'm glad you're doing OK.

Speaker 7: Just trying to survive by my wits, just trying to break into writing or something.

Speaker 5: Could I ask what part of the country you inhabit? Or is it this country?

Speaker 7: I'm in Florida.

Speaker 5: Ah Florida, right cool.

Speaker 7: OK yeah, thanks for the. Thanks for the succinct answers. I'll just keep listening to you.

Speaker 5: Thank you man. Thanks for calling us. Up take care.

Speaker 7: Take care.

Speaker 5: All righty, we got what have we got about a minute left and I know Chris trying to get in now with the automatic recording. It goes exactly from 7:00 o'clock to exactly 8:00 o'clock, right?

Speaker 1: Yeah, it starts a new file on the hour.

Speaker 5: You can't. And I'm glad how to do it, man.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here for you, John and. I would like to say it's been my great pleasure to be here with you and meet you, Katherine.

Speaker 5: And really appreciate it stepping up for that.

Speaker 4: Well, thank you.

Speaker 5: That lay about Carl out at the fair somewhere.

Speaker 1: You will be back next week to answer your phone calls and push the buttons and levers.

Speaker 5: Yeah, he'll be back, we'll. Right and your show is Thursday from. 6 to 8 eight.

Speaker 1: I am doing a music show with my co-host Hobby knife. Thursdays 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM on KWV Eugene. The station you are tuned to. Thanks for the plug.

Speaker 5: Well, yeah, sure, and thank you for coming Kathryn.

Speaker 4: All right till next time.

Speaker 5: Till next time the second Tuesday of August.

Speaker 4: Stay there you go.

Speaker 5: Sweet, alrighty.

07-04-2017

[audio] Shooting sprees, environmentalism at point zero, daily op-eds on no confidence in govt. India choking, China becoming a desert, Siberian fires visible from space. Urban noise = bad health. The Brilliant with Bellamy (episode 50) and Abe Cabrera (episode 49): ITS losing its "luster," nihilists in retreat? Brain-eating amoebas in Louisiana. plague in New Mexico. Action news.

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Speaker 3: In my silent. You me. With Mallory In my salad tub. With me I'm sitting in my chair with this man. There's no one could be saying with gloom everywhere. I know that. No man in my solitude. I'm praying. Sand beg my love. Sit in my chair with this man. No one could. Be so sad. With blue everywhere I sit and I know that I will soon. Man in my. Solid 2

Speaker 2: Alright, and Mercury radio phone number here is 5413460645. Take it away John.

Speaker 4: Hey there we go yes we got it squared away I think. Were locked out of the whole complex, so we running slowly. Well anyway, if you're tired of saluting the flag on this 4th of July, relax with the. Enterkey radio see what we got here. Just do one thing in passing about today. Sometimes you get the Gettysburg address stuff. The Emancipation Proclamation and other. More or less patriotic things. I was noting that the Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 was the same week as the biggest mass execution in U.S. history. 38 Dakota people were hanged in Minnesota. On Lincoln's orders just a few days before. The Emancipation Proclamation. That had to do with the Santee Sioux Uprising a few months earlier, a few months. The summer of 1862. Well, I'm wearing the free radical radio shirt which I happened to run across. I've been displeased regarding its communique readings. Still am like, I presume they're still added, but maybe there's a retreat from the fascination with the. Individualists tending toward the wild and later I'll get to that. In terms of recent discussions, namely at the brilliant. So OK, Friday is G20 in Hamburg and Kathy will be here next week on the 11th. It's pretty much this not so much the news of the week, It’s almost Daily News where there's an op-ed piece, a call about the. Virtually 0 degree of public confidence in government and the political as a dimension, I would say and not just the US, but today's was founders. Wouldn't like what's happened to the US? By a moderate to guy. It's New York Times remembered, saying some same, same deal, same old stuff ain't going away. It isn't getting any better in terms of legitimation and let's see this week. We certainly had some shooting. Some mass shootings last Friday. The doctor in New York, who, when that say people shot 2 fatally, including himself and then that's. Same day or late Friday night that is in Little Rock. The nightclub shooting about 30 people injured. I think there were no fatalities. And by the way, that 24 hours or the 24 hours from, I think Friday, Thursday evening to Friday evening, late last week, cops killed four people in Colorado. I don't have the specifics, but in various parts of Colorado and. Well, let's see. There's a piece of New York Times on Friday, so you can Friday. China is turning into a desert tree. Planting campaign is. Has proven ineffective. There's always. It's only some bad news about China. And bad news in general because. Not because, but in part Stephen Hawking is only last November. He said we have 1000 years to go. We got to get off this planet because there won't be any it. Won't be livable. Well the other day. Well, actually last month he said if we have 100 years left before doomsday, we need to get off Earth long before that comes to. Pass so that's. amazing.

Speaker 2: So we're we're not going to fix things here. We're just going to go somewhere else and mess them up there.

Speaker 4: Right, right, we'll just get addled but we don't have nearly as much time as he was. As he was thinking we do oh man. And here's my favorite liberal environmental character of the week, and this where environmentalism is, and it's our local favorite, Bob Doppelt. You ever noticed him in the register guard?

Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't read that paper. Really much you're missing a lot.

Speaker 4: Well, he's a. He's a more or less a regular. I don't know if he writes every month or something like that but he's Mr Environment to Mr climate change. Global warming. And this one, which is last Thursday's climate change, is coming time to prepare. Yeah, solutions require expanded thing. I got to read this little paragraph. This really classic. And this what he has to say. I mean, he's he's been edging toward the it's too late category. Now we just have to adjust to it. You know, we're screwed. We're absolutely screwed. And so. You know, we got to prepare to be totally screwed. So he writes effective responses must therefore be ongoing, involve entire communities, focus on building and maintaining personal and collective strengths and seek to help residents use adversity to create new and better conditions for everyone. These are the keys to making wise and skillful decisions in the midst of ongoing adversity. Have you ever heard of more empty?

Speaker 2: The word that I hear tossed around a. Lot is resiliency. Right right, we're gonna have the resiliency in our community.

Speaker 4: Yeah, so we can be sustainable or something.

Speaker 2: Also, no one really wants to. What are we sustaining exactly?

Speaker 4: Well this guy's giving up the reform of the minor, pretty silly things to do. Or things to change now it's just hot air with no oxygen in it at all. That I thought that. Was worthy of a quote because it's just. Oh, and meanwhile, India's dirty years choking India's quest for clean energy. This has to do with the solar. But the air is so dirty it's just as simple as that you it's. They don't have a lot of capacity. If the if the all the particulates all the various kinds of pollution are lying across the panels. Amazing yeah. It's just they're heavily polluted. Does if there's anyone in the world that didn't know this? Yeah, and New Delhi have been there a few times so. Yeah, you can put up the panels, but while you're choking on the air, you notice that. That the old solar power from the sun doesn't get through very well. All right, well, we still have the unprecedented temperatures across the Southwest, the US SW it is. Unsorted territory they say. And drought in northern China is also record setting.

Speaker 2: Yeah, climate change is about to happen.

Speaker 4: It's about to happen. Yeah, and we've got to. Be prepared somehow. It's just so it's so bogus you wonder why they even bother, what could anyone get out of that? Could they be consoled or fronted off at this point by? You know there was one. Brand of non nonsense. And now there's just the total surrender nonsense. I guess it's maybe it's something to do with the. Oh dear, we'll get to that. We'll get to that, and the Siberian wildfires Speaking of fires everywhere, large swaths of Siberia's boreal forests. Can be seen from space. This was Friday. In the news, as Earth's boreal forest burn at unprecedented rates. But it's all good. We can. We can prepare, we just have to. Put our minds to and our shoulders to the wheel and other cliches. Meanwhile, homelessness in Los Angeles County is up 30%. Despite all their efforts and their propagandand so on. Yeah, it's all. You know when you hear one of the one of the staples of the anti primitivist? Crowd is look. There's 7 billion people to feed you. You're just talking nonsense. So all these people start well. The most obvious first thing to say is are they getting fed those 7 billion. This the UN thing from yesterday. Progress on world hunger has reversed talking about famine. In nine countries, the worst or nine countries. This from the Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN which. Is meeting now in Rome? So yeah, what about feeding those people is. Well, you're trying to pray for civilization, which is ruining the whole thing anyway. Our I what is Rai, do what it stands for?

Speaker 2: Recreational equipment incorporated I’m gonna guess.

Speaker 4: Wow, that's good. I yeah. I have no idea. It sounds right. Sounds right to me. This from last week. The biggest thing, the biggest seller. And this to me this speaks of isolation. Many skillets big enough to fry one egg. So what does that say about camping or?

Speaker 2: You're going it alone I.

Speaker 4: I guess you're going it alone, mini skillets. It's there's tiny little things and they’re a big seller. I don't know. I don't know what it could be, some other reason, but just the obvious one is you only got one person to.

Speaker 2: Cook for everybody wants to write a different ways.

Speaker 4: Maybe still good.

Speaker 2: You have to cook them one at a time.

Speaker 4: Lots of skillets, lots of profits. Well, in health matters, let's see once again, the news about the antibiotic resistance. They are trying to get a last resort antibiotic, but now they're now they're finding this from the Atlantic last Friday the 30th. The immunity to these different antibiotics can develop in bacteria that haven't even been exposed to that antibiotic. In other words, it's not a matter of overusing the same stuff and then it loses its it's efficacy, it's. They're finding immunity to these things where they haven't even ever tried it. You know they haven't even. Started up with. It, and along those lines Colliston is one of these last resort antibiotics. One of the final options left. They're saying that and. Anyway, it's just more on how the resistance. Could be found anywhere and can spread with frightening ease. Yeah, I just had to point that out. I've been kind. Of following that. And also in thealth news, we've got the government trying to. Come up with some Obamacare thing. Republican Obamacare, trumpcare. Whatever you call it, and. It's going nowhere, but they the last word. Over the weekend anyway, they're going to add 45 billion to get more support for it. 45 billion for states to spend on opioid addiction treatment. 45 billion. And this whoops, this shows you how how widespread this, how what a deepening deal it is. That is a big pot of money, meaning from the New York Times Saturday the 1st. But addiction specialists said it was drastically short of what would be needed.

Speaker 2: I think they should just call it. We don't care.

Speaker 4: Yeah, and billions to get nowhere. It’s deeper than that. You can. It's like how much money can we spend on the mass shootings? And could we somehow pretend that would they would stop?

Speaker 5: There's no.

Speaker 4: Whatever that would mean, there's no way anyone would even guess. What that might be? Well, see, here's some interesting noise things. Urban noise can trigger heart problems. You know, urbanism is not exactly new, but a new new study. This from the Telegraph in London, the science. They've found. Constant noise even at low level. Low levels had an immediate and disruptive effect on the patterns of heart rates. A growing body of research that shows everyday surroundings could be bad news for long term health, so that's the nature of cities I think for. Quite some time I would guess in a University of Athens, study those living near airports have more hypertension. So there's a definite link between airport noise and high blood pressure. As we try in vain to adjust to modern life, not to mention climate change well and you got your. You get your odds Gary help things too. NBC News last Friday brain eating amoebas have been detected in two water systems in Louisiana. Said the state's health department.

Speaker 2: That's enough, no rain eating amoebas.

Speaker 4: Details yeah, don't get water up your nose. That could lead to.

Speaker 2: Maybe all the lead will will kill them.

Speaker 4: Yeah my slow down yeah, feed them, feed them lead. And cases of plague in New Mexico reported today. So that's your sunny hills news. Let's see, it's 22 past the hour. I do want to get into this. It was obliquely referring to the brilliance. About ITS and how some people have really. Been more or less promoting it and publicizing it at. At the very least, and where that's at. A to be sort of a surprising change and I would say a healthy change. Well, we got some Action News coming up. Yeah, I don't. I don't think I'll maybe we'll go in after the break. Yeah, we'll start right now. And by the way, once again, as the lender has mentioned, 5413460645.

Speaker 2: Hey John, let me just sneak this in and our rush to get on the air here. If I neglected to do this so please.

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Speaker 2: That's you 5413460645.

Speaker 4: Very cool man. You're on it. You're very much on it. Well, I'm going to. I'm going to start this off and just take a break. We're running since we're running slightly late. We'll just divide these into two. I'm talking about the latest two episodes from Eric Gorns, the brilliant. And I think I'll start with the most recent one rather than chronological go more recent and then the second one after that conversation with there going in, Bellamy used to be his. Partner at the podcast. He before that Bellamy was part of free radical radio. Anyway, there's really a. I think you could call. It a retreat from the. Embrace, so to speak, and I think they might not put it that way. Might not come to that strong word, but anyway. They tossed it around pretty good and came up with some new stuff. For example, Aragorn said he is not in favor of random violence and he said he had made the statement a while back. Not very long ago that he felt he had felt anyway that there that the only. Consistent critique of the ITS violence, referring to the discriminative showing people. Who happened by thing is from pacifist. Otherwise shut up. You know you don't. You don't score unless you're a pacifist and he said this time he said, well, that was before they started up with the indiscriminate violence thing about a month ago, which is laughably wrong. That's that's been in place for a long time. That doesn't cover it, man. That's just . And anyway Bellamy goes on to say that he feels that ITS is basically theology. And that. And everyone agreed with that It’s a spirituality of a sort that's near Christianity, but it macho spirituality. Anyway, that's that seemed to be what? What Abe Cabrera in episode 49 was saying in effect, and I'll get to that few minutes, but. But the main. Point of episode 50, Eric Garner and Bellamy is was talking about nihilism. They do not like the implication or more than implication in to some degree, for myself. Maybe ITS is the logic of nihilism? If you have thrown in the towel on everything and you got nothing to put forward, then why not shoot everybody it's is it somehow. Is that the? Is that the logic of it somehow? Well, anyway, they made some interesting points here. For example, Bellamy said that and this interesting, it's I think it's somewhat true. He said he claims that ITS isn't nihilist. So it can't be the logic of nihilism. If it isn't nihilism and he says he thinks it is again more theological, more sort of divine, right, righteous, very moral. Well, I think that's the tone of it. That's the flavor of it. But . It's also no hope, no, no program. More basically, I think you would say it is nihilism. They expressed that very clearly, it seems to. Me even though. You could say, I think legitimately, that it's that it's sort of dressed up in a. In a sort of spiritual garb to some. And the thing about moralism, just I'm not going to get way into this, but that's one of the things about egoism. And I think to some degree now is moralism. Moralism is bad. We can detect moralism here and there. Well, maybe this sounds dumb. But what isn't moralist? What isn't normative? What isn't about choices and values, including egoism? And that’s. I don't know if that makes it at all. And Eragon, by the way, said. Well, it might be nihilist, but I'm not a nihilist because he said for years that he is. And but suddenly now he's not. I guess ITS has fallen from favor and they know it. They. I'm not the only one who rants about it. But and it's somewhere in there and I don't. I didn't get who? Would have brought this up, although I mentioned in this episode of more than once, that's for sure. As if somebody is asking and I didn't get that anyone wasking why doesn't he? Everyone that is engaged with me on this show? And he just really got upset with that. And he said it's that would be nonsense. Use the word nonsense more than once, and Impossible more than once. Impossible to discuss with me. Partly because of my rhetorical flourish. That would which would defeat him. I mean, just I don't know what on Earth he's talking about, what? You know, by the way, Cabrera, because he's sort of seeps in here, he's called the show at least twice, maybe three times. And he's been, I would say, diffident. I mean he didn't rant and rave, and neither did I and. We I was trying to clarify things and I don't think it was. Oppressive on my part, or that I was pounding with rhetorical flourishes, whatever they might be, they didn't quite get that so. So yeah, they're so now they're not even nihilists. They're not even not only not pro, ITS but. Bellamy made a little bit of an effort to clarify because I know there are annoyed at my constant. What is nihilism? Can somebody help me with that and he was saying it's not accepting conventional wisdom, It’s saying that there is no necessary outcome to what we're doing well, I fully subscribe to those two things. What what, what is nihilism about that's just critical thinking? You know that's so. We still don't know what it is, but if they're abandoning it, maybe maybe nobody cares and I don't even know. And another I got to express my impatience with this thing too. A while back Eragon was up in Portland up here in Oregon and he. It was he gave a talk at the book Fair. I think it was the anarchist book Fair last summer. And the crowd was vehemently Antifa, very anti fascist, and they just jumped all over him. They just. Were hostile and so far, though, although he didn't say. He talked about it. He talked about his emotions about it. But he didn't. Say and he got around to saying what he said. Or what they said in response to what he said. And that came up in the conversation with Bellamy in passing. It wasn't developed, but he, he said. Ergon said Antifa can't be stopped or even criticized. And I don't know why he says that. That doesn't seem to be true at all. I mean, it may have be stopped, but it certainly can be criticized and. And we still don't know what he's critical of in terms of Antifa. I’m curious because I'm certainly critical and in important respects I would say. So there is a falling back from the fascination with ITS at the end of the show. Aragon said maybe it'd better to talk about Trump. He's more important than these few, ITS people and OK. I mean, I don't know. I don't know why they've been dwelling. On ITS. I found it repellent and I've said so but I wouldn't go anyway. Let's take a quick break and I want to get to the other episode and these folks are at a disadvantage. The brilliant is a podcast you can't call in, but this a radio show here at kW V8 and you certainly can, and you're certainly invited to go.

Speaker 2: In 5413460645 will be back after this break. All right, some Dizzy Gillespie there. From dizzy on the French Riviera with the Antônio Carlos Jobim track no more Blues.

Speaker 4: So fine, I think I sometimes save that for winter when you need the sounds of kids playing on the beach. I love that intro. Yes, from about 1960 or something. Well, the brilliant episode 49, Aragorn. With Abe Cabrerand he really. He really let it hang out. He didn't, maybe he figured he'd have a sympathetic host. And he wouldn't. He wouldn't worry about being. Clobbered, or anything? Doing what he's saying, and so he just talked and talked and everyone didn't say much for quite a while. Well, Abe, I think he. He said he lives in New Orleans. He's a Mexican extraction. He grew up speaking Spanish. He speaks Spanish. He was a Trotskyist. For a while and he. And the only trouble with the episode, it's me anyway. The his part of it, his his voice was muffled, like it was a bad phone in a tunnel or something. I didn't. I hope I didn't. I'm not going to misrepresent stuff because there were parts of it I didn't quite get. That well, they and this I don't want to invent a great big contrast and be unfair in that regard. I hope I'm not going to do that, but. What I was surprised about comparing #49 to #50 when I just talked about #50. This revealing in a lot of ways. And it and it shows. I think a fairly big difference between. The two different episodes and I don't know if there were only. A week or so apart, I'm not sure, but somewhat one following the other. Aragorn was very explicit about. Being excited about ITS very 21st century and I thought to myself, yeah, that family that's the very 21st century maybe and he really got down to something he often I don't quite get what he's saying sometimes or all the time maybe. But anyway, he said if you're. I'm these are my words, I'm paraphrasing. If you're so pessimistic then ITS starts to look good because let's face it, he said. It's likely that nothing's going to change before we die. We're we're stuck with. So why not be titillated by ITS? And I thought, OK, that’s what I was thinking. And boy, you laid it out there, alrighty. And one other thing that I really. I don't know. It didn't strike me as all that great the question of the indiscriminate killing came up and was dropped. They did not get into it. They avoided it. But Aragorn chuckled when that was mentioned. The indiscriminate killing. And then he said something about the so-called innocence. So even though they didn't get into it, that sort of seemed to me like yeah, what's wrong with that? You know, just the cynics thing like what's the? What's the problem? Wait, it's Cabrera, that's the main figure here and I want to mostly refer to what he said. He said ITS is a possible prank and this called the presses, right? Like how many are there? No idea? Is it a shifting number? Maybe it's nobody, maybe it's just a bunch of online stuff. One or more persons cranking out these communiques, and. Taking credit if you want to use the word for different things verifiable, we just don't know. No one's been caught. I mean, here's the guy he's making a living at this. No, I don't mean he's making money, I just mean it's his trade, so to speak. All I know about him is his Atassa book and. Calls about that are more or less pro, ITS and now it's maybe it's just a prank boy that had to make people look stupid. Maybe including all of us to be even talking about it, I suppose. Anyway, Erigone made an interesting point that Nietzsche's catechism of a revolutionary. Which is complete nihilism? Blind nihilism? That's this, ITS stuff in various places is pretty much verbatim. I thought he made a very a very interesting point there. Back to Abe. He said more or less. What is his? What is it that appeals to him? Why is he? Seemingly on their side because it's a group that says what it's going to do and does it. That's it, I mean, that's like deep deep green resistance and lots of DGR. People have fallen into this Maoist. The deal, which is wretched, not even to mention the trans hating part of it, but. It says what it's going to do and does it well. We don't even know that for one thing, but depends on what you're doing, doesn't it?

Speaker 2: National National Socialism said what it was going to do and then they. Did it?

Speaker 4: Exactly, yeah, that’s really not to go. Not much to go on. I would say. And Evergarden came with another good point. He described a TS as violence first, not irrational or revolutionary program or ideology. It's I think that clarifies things. It's that's helpful. And another point that I think maybe the both of them made they were referring to Scott Campbell's. Much publicized critique. And one thing they said about that. I think it's quite valid. Campbell called ITS eco fascist. Well I've, I've never thought it was fascist. No more than I think, say Trump is fascist, but. The rest of it is more or less the idea that only left is like Scott Campbell. Who are not popular anymore? They've they've lost out so. So only left this are opposed to ITS ideas. Doesn't seem to be true. Doesn't seem to be true. And Cabrera kept saying you said it more than once. Anyway, people are not paying attention and part of part of that is the sound quality. I didn't know what the point of that was. People are not paying attention. They put out all these communicates. How can you miss it? It's not exactly hidden. They claim they're not out to persuade anyone, but while it communicates all that stuff. closing up with that. Abe Contra said that ideas isn't political, it's theology. In fact, that's the future of the of the class of ideas. It's really theology, and it sounds like he's still a Catholic to tell you the truth. I doubt that he is but. It's he kept going off into references to. To Christian theology, if not Catholic theology, he thinks that chaos is the future. It will be antisocial. Anyway, is this, like Malthus, the war of all against all? Well, it could be, you do wonder if is somebody still a Christian if they're down with indiscriminate violence for one thing, and complete hopelessness for another thing with the where does the Christian part come in? If he is still, maybe he isn't, I wasn't clear about that. Whether he's just talking about his past. And so he closed by saying that he's read all of black and green review and he always listens to this show as does they're going. They may be grinding their teeth. Right now, but I've tried to be fair, we've got a climate of nihilism that's, that's one thing that. You get to. You're going to have to. But how about referring to the actual world? One thing that all these fires more and more over the years. I believe this correct are deliberately set. Those are nihilism, right now. Now we're at this place where people that just want to burn down their world. You know, that’s pretty.

Speaker 2: I think there's a fine line between nihilism and apathy.

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it seems that way and they don't. I can see why they wouldn't want to cop to that or cop to maybe more often they would come to the pessimism part. But you be pessimist and not be a nihilist. You know, I’m trying to sort it out. And if this fading away along with the attraction of ITS. I'm happy to not even talk about it anymore, but I think that maybe the natalism part is still with us. Well, what I'm going to do. Well, what am I going to do here? I'm just going. To well, I'll get to some Action News. Yeah, let's just do some of that. And some of the related things that go along with the with the. And because Paul to. Interesting thing from from Spain from Catalonia specifically. About neighborhood associations, and I don't know if this. Really means they're making a comeback in this in the quest for community, but. There is this and I'm not going to go into a bunch of specifics here, but. There's some people that feel that the young especially don't feel identified with neighborhood associations, but. But they're necessary. This part of the resistance you've. Got to have. Some stuff on the ground besides ideas, and I think that’s healthy. I think that. Makes sense to me. Oh, here is a recommendation. GA Bradshaw her name is gay, Bradshaw, trans species psychologist. Among other things, she wrote elephants on the edge. What animals teach us about humanity. And the latest, her latest book is Carnivore Minds, who these fearsome animals really are and I think. Maybe just a month away or so. Black Man interview #5 will have an interview with her. This great stuff. I'm just now getting started on that I was not familiar with her work. What's her name again, gay, Bradshaw. Or G period, a period Bradshaw. I think it's pretty easy to phone her. Well, here's something interesting from Mexico's move toward more resistance type stuff. The Kay Huelga radio collective. Has come out against voting. They are against the. National Indigenous Congress, which I think was started by ZLM. I might be wrong about that, but I think it's something of a front group freeze. You know something? Like that or. Maybe that isn't right, but there there is. They're allied in their foray into electoral politics and running. Someone for president and. The Kyoga people strongly oppose that we've decided not to be participants in the legitimate legitimization of the state and institutions that caused death, war and destruction. In general, not just the current Mexican government, but in general. And from Brazil, no. There is stuff going on in Brazil. But first of all I wanted to mention. On June 3rd. Month ago, the first anarchist fair was held in Porto Alegre. And they've decided to have one. Every month, not just every year, but. That sounds encouraging as the first one was a good. Kickoff, we'll see also in Brazil the more striking news, I guess, is for example on Friday. Some amazing photos. Demonstrators blocked the main avenues of Sao Paulo, which is the biggest city. In South America, not just Brazil but. Barricades they did really come in on there hundreds of people block streets throughout the country in a general strike against the government changes. Anti labor laws and anti pension benefit changes which of course are always called reform in Russia. A few days ago. Group of animal rights activists held the first open rescue in Russian history. First, Alf thing they rescued some turkeys. I think we're going to be hearing more about that. Other Alf names. Tires slashed on trucks. At a slaughterhouse in Birmingham and Shield, smashed alive is growing in that area, they say Sweden. And so dalier, West of Stockholm. Window smashed at a fur retailer and more hunting towers destroyed and France, Italy and Germany. That's a staple. And this was just received on the 1st on Saturday, July 1st. But it happened back on June 24th. Kiev, Ukraine and you can set 2 excavators on fire. Heavy equipment and these are earth moving machines. Which for months were destroying nature? Bare building on the side of a. Fish Farm big Industrial fish farm thing. They torched torched them up real good. Yeah, they're well. It's in part roads. In this part of the Ukraine. And surrounding stuff heavily damaged by these dump trucks and. So they have found that excavators burn very well. And there is at Heathrow. An ongoing Protest camp against the third runway. They were given two weeks to get out. It's they got about a week left hope to follow up on that because they have been holding their ground. And in Toronto, the Parkdale neighbourhood of Toronto. A group called Parkdale organize. Has been successful in terms of rent strikes, a growing thing, spreading ongoing thing, anti landlord activity there. And this came in on yesterday the third. They've been, it's been action in Exarchia Square in Athens. That very cool inner center. Well, the dopers have been moving in. Mafia type gangs running dope out of there. Three young anarchists were stabbed by drug traffickers. In March, there's been a climate of violence and anarchist militant shut down one of these mafioso with a Kalashnikov, so they're battling the drug gangs there. And here's nature strikes back. This a nice one from Angela Chan writing for The Verge. Pods of killer whales are stocking the boats of Alaska fishermen stealing their halibut. Catches seems to be getting worse. And tail the boats all around Alaska. And just steal those fish just to yeah, leaving them in with no fish and thousands of gallons of fuel wasted trying to flee if they're being chased by the whales by the orca. Well, let's see. We got more stuff, but let's go out. I was talking. Were talking about this a little while ago. Derrick's third Symphony. This the. Last movement we get. Get a bunch of this in like maybe 9 minutes of it here. If you could start at 46 seconds in OK, yeah, this. The soprano part here is just exquisite. There's a big piece. About a month ago in the New York Times, this the 25th anniversary of the record, the 40th anniversary of the composition. By Henryk Gorecki, and it's just piercingly sad, and yet it's been very popular as classical Symphony music goes, and I just I found it just very moving, so we'll go out with that and. Catherine will join legend me next week so please come back. Join us next week. Whoops, whoops, whoops. You didn't put it in there already.

Speaker 5: No no no no.

Speaker 4: Oh man, all that run up and. Whoops, an empty case. Oh dear, oh boy. That happens, I do that on a somewhat regular basis actually, but. OK well. You can just sit there with painted breasts waiting until next week maybe. And I'll come back to that. If you happen to go for it during the week you will just be. Very captivated and I think the third movement is the real. The real stuff there. Meanwhile, I've been hearing about reading about bionic leaves, bionic trees, and synthetic DNA. That's our future. Yeah, separate stories won't go into it too much. The. The fake trees. The synthetic trees. This a story from BBC in London and the column they called city Trees. They're just metal tubing, but they put these this Moss around them and they supposedly. Well, there's still a victory, but there's supposedly. It cut down on the pollution which is so terrible and. In London so.

Speaker 2: How is that better than actual tree?

Speaker 4: You had to ask that question. It sounds stupid. It's it sounds nutty. It's just another wacko techno deal. Instead of tackling the problem. Yeah, it's it doesn't seem to fly. And University of Florida research. They are on the verge, or maybe they've already achieved this, triggering the process of photosynthesis in a synthetic material. A bionic leaf. And this too will is bound to solve our climate and energy problems. Both artificial leaf technology.

Speaker 2: Oh boy, or maybe not cut down the rainforest.

Speaker 4: Oh no, wait a minute. There you're talking nonsense. Yeah, and one other tech thing. This from the current Harvard magazine probing psychosis. It's about schizophrenia. The punchline of it is. All this stuff about hunting down the DNA, the track the trail would commit into DNA. Genes have an awful lot to say about understanding schizophrenia. This the lead into the article. You know it's hidden in our genomes supposedly, and then at the end of the article. It says we don't have a clue. We're not. We're not getting anywhere with this and It’s an amazing article. Yeah, and once again these things are far more complex and even complex is a clumsy word to use, I think. It's just much more past these reductive models you can't. You can put this on a blackboard and go a = b and it right it goes to Z and so therefore you get schizophrenia. They get nothing they. Yeah, the whole this a big long article and then it gets to saying we.

Speaker 2: The punch line is they don't know.

Speaker 4: They don't know. We are nowhere regarding under, understanding schizophrenia, all that tech and. What do ?

Speaker 2: But they got their research grants.

Speaker 4: Oh sure.

Speaker 2: Probably corporate money as well.

Speaker 4: I wouldn't doubt it.

Speaker 2: Maybe some new drugs will be developed?

Speaker 4: Yeah, and we'll make progress. If we like, we've never made progress before. Well, now we can say it so Chris can. Cite a lot in here, so please don't legend me and Catherine next week and maybe Henryk Gorecki too.

Speaker 2: We have some Chet Baker to go. Out with.

Speaker 4: Cool, very cool.

Speaker 2: All right, see you folks next week.

Speaker 5: I make a day for God. And you think that your life will bring? I try to give a party and the guy upstairs complain. I guess I'll go through life just catching colds and missing trains, everything. Happens to me, me. I never miss a thing. I've had the measles and the mumps. And when I play this, my partner always tries. I guess I'm just a few. Who never looks before he jumps? Crazy happens to me. At first my heart thought. You could break this change for me. That love would turn the trick to end this fell, but now I just can't fool his heart but thinks for me I've mortgaged my. Draft and fall and sudden air miles special too. Your answer was, but why? And there was even postage to. I fell in love just once and then it had to be with you. Everything happens to me.

06-27-2017

[audio] Cops kill more blacks, dope epidemic rages, lethal heat waves e.g. in Southwest (street signs melt, jets can't lift off, AC fails, homeless die). My ten days in Italy. Lake Chad almost gone, democracy in death throes? Nihilism leads to ITS fetish? 2/3 of all traffic deaths due to road rage. Cars, homes are traps for toxic air. Completely baseless tech claims. Girl Scouts to become cyber cops. Binky: the app that does nothing. One call.

UNKNOWN: KWPN KWB a GKW. WKWBA, Eugene OR.

Speaker 1: Right?

Speaker 2: Who you're listening to KVA Eugene. Anarchy Radio is going to be coming right in just a minute and my name is Gray. I'm here assisting. Happy to be here. And as always, here's some music to start the show.

Speaker 3: It's just. When I was just a man, I went around explaining things that I didn't understand I got myself in trouble. My supply I had known to man I was just a man that I was just a man. But I wanted to stay. Told me that. Let you set up camp for my left. I don't want you to try to put your life in my hands. Whatever you. Mind your step, the land masses whenever it starts to turn as you get up. When you don't wanna die. Guess that's the one I could never.

Speaker 4: Hello, I'm very glad to be back. Two engineers in here tonight. Mr Carl and Mr Elijah Gray, who will be covering for Carl the next two weeks. Well, it seems like I've been away from the microphone for a long time. I sort of have relatively. I mean, it's after 16 years I've. And you rarely missed. Of course, it was the. Italy trip And then last week we celebrated the daughter Monica's 50th birthday over at the Central Coast of Oregon. That was very great, that was. It was Tuesday the 20th. The show on the 6th were talking about this just a minute ago with Keith and Iand Cliff. And that was really enjoyable. Very lively, lots of insights for calls, I think just to happen an hour and I'm very grateful that they jumped in. All three of them made it happen. Check it out if you haven't heard. It's archived at my website, johnsersen.net, among other places. Yeah, we're having a good show. Well, let's see. I got a bunch of stuff and I'll try to connect the dots here somehow. It's summer time and one thing that never changes and it didn't start happening with Trump either. But cops murdering people of color. With no consequences. Minnesota, Ohio, Illinois recently. Yeah, and of course the big global overheating story. Still happening in the southwest, the What they call the Phoenix epic heat wave. Been going on a good week now. Friend of the program. Daniel, thank you. Daniel sent a photo letters on the street signs are melting. Yeah, white paint dripping on down from the street signs. This the 2900. Block of North Thomas, in particular. The air is too hot to lift some jets. The air conditioning failing homeless are dying. Fires in seven states. Yeah, and this it's not just the southwest of North America. Quite a big story about Asias the Scorchers multiple and Asia Mercury records fall and climate concern rises. Going back to the end of May. May 28th, in particular the Mercury claim to 129.2 degrees. Probably the hottest temperature ever recorded in Asia. They're not exactly sure, because in some places it's they have a regular access to. The electrical. Shorting with that thing. Yeah, anyway, and man, there's a lot of stories if you want to read the story about two months for takeoff. This news to me that a certain temperature. They can't get off the ground. Some of The Jets. That was in the New York Times last Wednesday the 21st. And according to the journal Nature Climate change. Lethal heat, deadly heat, of course is. On the rise. Currently, 30% of the world's population exposed to deadly heat. For 20 days per year or more anyway just to marry. Terrible news and in terms of the projections? Well, we're over here at 541-346-0645. I got a few things a little later that might provoke calls. Actually, they rarely do, and I'm thinking. Well, I've bugged certain quarters enough, they may just. Pick up the phone, but anyway, I think I'm going to just start up here a little bit with the Italy trip. Which is mainly made possible. By a group in Florence and this was. This actually a philosophy festival. That's what it was called and it was pitched toward high school kids basically, although. Maybe 1/4 of the people attending weren't high school kids, but it was. It was at the Puccini Theatre, which was built by Mussolini to give the working classes some culture to give them something to keep them up a little bit. Big old theater. And that was great. It was that was in the morning on the 5th June 5th. Monday the 5th that kicked off. They had a number of really interesting speakers and then the afternoon was more. Much more given over to conversations with the certain kids. Well, yeah and just the whole thing. I just got to say it was really encouraging. And it contrasts to, they would say it's course. It's hard to compare, different cultures and histories and so on. Things are at a low damn ebb around here. They really are. And by the way, black and green review #5 is in the works. It will be out this summer. Not exactly sure when but. One thing we're working on is an editorial talking about. More or less the sorry state of the anarchist milieu or scene or movement, or whatever you call it. But the but Italy and I don't want to take too much time on this, but it was. It was really fun from start to finish and the turnouts were surprising to the hosts in the different places. A little more than they expected, because, well, for one thing, let me just back background this a little bit. I was told by a few people that after Genoa G8, Genoa in the summer of 2001. There was a lot of interest in green anarchy anarcho primitivist ideas. It was very. Big for a while. And then that tapered off. And a lot of things tapered off after 9:11. That's but. The vacuum, so to speak, was filled by other things, including more revival of certain leftist. But anyway, I flew into Bolognand was met by Enrico Manicani, who wrote free from civilization, which is still. And the original is an Italian, but it's available in English the really one and only A-Z book. Big Fat book on the permit of his point of view. It's very very complete. It's very thorough and it's very readable to it's very accessible. So after so, first of all was the event in Florence and then. Then I got to go outside of Florence to Mondaiji. Which is an amazing squat group of almost 2020 somethings. Took over and abandoned 400 acres in the Tuscan hills. The beginning of the Chianti grape area. By the way, it was it had been abandoned and for the past three years they've been bringing it back. They've got 9000 olive trees, for example, lots of. Lots of grapes. And they do all kinds of stuff there. It's just huge. They really put in the work. And they've they are not recognized by Florence, the regional authority of Florence of the City of Florence bought this property in the 60s after it had been abandoned, and a very tiny part of it is a park. But nobody doing anything there. So these folks discovered this and then moved in and. And three years in, they've got a great thing going on and. It was for me a beautiful rest, but I got to spend a couple of days. There on and off and. Very quiet, incredible views on all sides. It's up on. A big hill. Very great people so, but after that there was And they could go on and on about the fun up there looking for herbs up in the hills. With some of those communards, and.

UNKNOWN: OK.

Speaker 4: Went over to Livorno after that in the middle of the week to meet with Matteo Natalis. Matteo is 2 mateos of the picture and Walter is also a publisher medalist. As you may know is the anarchist publisher in Torino. And we that was an interesting evening, went driving around, up, up in the hills somewhere near Siena. And were just like driving all. Night and we found this Hot Springs, and we slept in a cave. So that one of the perennial questions is, well, you talk about primitivism and the anti tech and stuff. So how do you live you? You probably just live this modern life. And everything which is absolutely true nailed me on that, but I have I said well, two nights ago the three of us slipped in a cave fitting the stereotype in a funny way. But it was true. And then went down to. Rome and this was a little bit of a. A little deja vu or a little bit of reunion. I was at the university. Of Rome 15 years ago. Pretty much exact. Almost the only other time I was there in Rome, but so if you go to the same place more than once, you can gauge the difference. I mean what? What is it like now as compared to before? And it was great. It was a. It was a nice turnout and I got a boast about this. I can't. That can't avoid it. There was a guy from Denmark that flew from Denmark for this event. And he was going back to Denmark the next day, and so that was thrilling many. Went to that trouble to do that. Yeah, then we drove all the way back. It's like a 7 hour drive from Rome all the way up to Turin the north northwest corner of Italy. In fact, a little ways past. And very close to Turin to Reno is the Alps. I mean you start climbing right away, you're in the foothills of the Alps. It's like 20 miles from the city of Turin. Where Nietzsche had his famous breakdown. And went to this. It's referred to as a village, but it was just some stone houses that you had to walk into. You couldn't drive there, but. More abandoned type stuff. These these buildings were taken over by. Various urban refugees, including my friend Matteo Nautilus, Matteo. So we had a great evening there. Slept there. And we then there was a talk in the nearby. Town of Torey Valpolicella which is north of Turin. Also it's close to this little. Sort of hamlet of buildings. And that was cool. It was. It was a former Workers Association Hall started in the 1850s. I think and. Taken over by this by the town, and it's just available for public events and so forth. And that was really good. That was very lively. It was very hot, but it was very cool and that very evening. Thanks once again to my friend Matteo. We took off and drove. North of Milan into Switzerland into Lugano, which is just across the border, is about of I don't know four or five hour drive. To meet Marco camenisch. Which is a great big honor for me, he. Spent 27 1/2 years in Swiss and Italian prisons. He was only released like two months ago or something like that. He came down for from Zurich. And we met in a friend's house and spent the night there. And it was. It was amazing. He's he's in wonderful shape, just full of life he's been through so much and. It was the thrill to meet him. We got there on midnight and. We embraced it. I swear I don't know. I think he felt somewhat the same way like were old pals like we'd. Known each other. For a long time, even though we'd only corresponded. Pretty consistently over the past few years, but. Well, I've past several years, but. So that was really good. And then the last event came down back into Italy to. The only big the only city in Italy I understand, which has a lot of suburbs, which is a big sprawling place is Milan. It's the big city. Rome is the political capital and the tourist place and the Vaticand all that. But Milan is the big. Is the big hub of a lot of things fashion commerce so forth it has a lot of towns around it. We made an app park and this particular deal was mostly. Young anarchist And another real hot one. But it was went on into the evening and it's a picnic affair and quite a lot of people showed up there. Saronno, which is really a part of Milan. And if you go to Nautilus, there's you can see in Italy, in Italian, by the way, a write up of this announcement. Of this little tour. And then flew out of there. Malpensairport was met by some people that. Came all the way up to. For the send off, which is just really nice, it was such great people. People going after it and. Ups and downs. Like everywhere these days, but. It just felt good. They're very healthy, lots of different projects and. Things going on so. Yeah, I don't want to go too long there. Well, let's see what else. Here's here's. Can't help but put in the contrast. As they sometimes do free radical radio is back on the air. With their podcast ride ride company and they are what they mainly do is you may know they read. There are different readings, commentaries on favorite books, and so forth. And they also they haven't stopped doing this. They're full into it. They there's another person there. Part of the project who's reading the ITS communicates the individual is tending toward the wild. And just doing the audiobook a thing like that so. I’ve expressed my big annoyance about that like so, now you're the mouthpiece for ITS these sociopaths who glory and murdering people like the two hikers. They gunned down. Or that's what they say anyway, I'm not so sure that this whole thing isn't somewhat manufactured. I don't know. It could be wrong anyway. So I made contact I addressed it to rydra because I know him. He's a friend and I said mainly, what do what, what? How do you justify this? Since I just can't. I don't even. I have no idea why you would be doing this. So I got a. I got a response. It was from somebody else who's he said it isn't right, right? Not that it matters. I mean that's the point is the. Same, it's the program. It's their choice, their decision. And went back and forth. This just the past day or so and I said, I said, I can't divulge this because I said probably going to bring this up on the air tomorrow night. And is that OK with you? And no, it isn't. So to me, they're doing this lousy thing and they don't have the guts to back it up and the back and forth wasn't especially nasty. It was just. Well, I guess I can't say what the justification and I don't know why that's sealed. The information or something. But I guess I can't say anything more about it. Anyway, that's. I ain't happy about that and I'm really appalled that some people seem to get off on this. ITS stuff is. Is that where nihilism goes? Is that just an aberration, or is that the logic of it? Or you tell? Invited this guy to call, but since he wouldn't let me say anything about our conversations then I doubt if you will. But maybe somebody else will. Maybe somebody will say, well, it's quite absurd to label. If you have, if you think there's some affinity with ITS that means all nihilists are that way. I'm not saying that I'm, I'm wondering as I've always wondered about what nihilism is supposed to be. And yeah, there's that’s still there. I mean, that's gets a lot of attention from anarchist media. And one other thing that does get a lot of attention, perhaps even more right now, is the Antifa thing. Everybody's well about Antifa, anti fascism. Trump is a fascist world. Fascism is on the rise. You know that familiar refrain and so everybody drops everything and is now. Antifa, including. As I think I've already said, including Earth first. In other words, pretty much everyone now is all. This leftist obsessing with the I think it's somewhat imaginary rise of fascism. If what happened in France, the elections a month ago or so. The fairly mediocre centrist Macron. Trounce the right wing Le Pen right and so. Well, we can go into cases, but so where is the big fascist rise? I'm not saying we should overlook it. Not at all I have. I've said publicly for years. What those people deserve. And what I support them getting. But it's another thing to make a total ideology out of it and. And create this whole thing which blocks out the rest. It does block out the rest. But there’s a lot more important stuff going on in my view. Anyway, I'm going to. I was pleasantly surprised that the new Earth First journal printed my letter. On the subject, I thought they there would be obvious reasons why they wouldn't and I'm going to read it. Deer blanked for Brains as their letters come has come. Think what would still remain if the loathsome Trump and his quote fascism did not exist? Man society homogenizing antIndigenous globalization. The technology juggernaut that deforms and isolates industrialism that destroys life from the planet civilization domestication that drives it all. The mass shootings, drug epidemics, chronic ill health, et cetera, et cetera. Obviously we must stand against the ugliness of today, the racist antisemitic misogyny, its blank that is present. But does the latter really constitute the fascist movement that we should define ourselves by the Spring Journal announces? A quote general agreement that Earthfirst is at its heart anti fascist movement. It's easy, it's cheap, it's superficial, it's great when Nazis get knocked out, but is that radical? Are we not opposed to the principles of government and civilization itself? Antifa seems always to block out of the picture. What is primary? What is radical? Thus it is limited and limiting, really. A posture for liberals to feel all militant and courageous. A serious step back for a journal that calls itself Earth first. Yes, and they printed it so. All right, what I think now I can sneak this in before the break. There's something there's well, there's a lot more basic going on in the what might be called late cap, late civilization, and some of this getting more more and more clear. In fact, Speaking of the French election, the Macrone victory. It was a record low turn out. A record low tournament, and so you get books like this. A brand new one by someone named Edward Loose. The retreat of Western liberalism and he's saying we're closer to collapse than we may wish to believe in terms of the whole political deal that enlightenment itself is in decline. The democracy is no longer seen as inevitable. Lots of lots of parts of this, but basically does anybody believe in democracy anymore? Is it just fading away? To a point where it becomes a legitimate and does go away. There's a lot of a lot of reviews on this. How democracy is defeating itself is 1 review in the New York Times. Yeah, I don't want to go on and on, but there's another Thomas Friedman Wednesday. Last Wednesday the 21st. Come where did we? The people go and it's in very similar terms really. That where the foundations of. Democracy and even society. Are. Eroding away in terms of trust in terms of the concept of truth. And we have a crisis of authority itself. He's he's quoting. People on that. Moral authority, where is it going? And this way deeper than Trump or any other politician. That and they're ugly. I'm not saying there's nothing to that. I'm not saying that all, but. You know, look at the more fundamental stuff that's going on. Look at consider what's driving it. Where are we really going? And of course, the question again, what is the anarchist thing doing? That's really not impressive. Adam Prince said, well, let's see. We got to what do we have for the break, Elijah?

Speaker 2: We have Richard Twardzik. He's just saying that right Richard Twardzik track called Albuquerque Social Swim and we started off musically with anarchy.

Speaker 4: I think so.

Speaker 2: Radio darlings car crash Lander. I neglected to mention that so we will be back shortly after a little bit of music from Richard Twardzik. Music there from Richard toward Twardzik.

Speaker 4: Dead of heroin overdose at 22. Quite a genius. I think of the piano. Yeah, which reminds us. Of course the dope epidemic rages on. That isn't letting up any more than. They're the multiple shootings, that sort of thing. Well, yeah, the something is tattering in lots of ways and some things are just plain funny from the old tech area. Some not, not much but. This something CBS News last Thursday. Just check this out. 2/3 of all traffic deaths are due to road rage incidents 2/3. I'm amazed by that. And the number of road rage deaths is up 60% since 2011. That's not that long ago. And a little bit. I suppose they're different health things here. I don't know how organized I am, but anyway, weekend Wall Street Journal. Talks about a new. Disease of sedentism. I would have to say that's what this. I've never heard of this. Something like 12% of people in the US have non-alcoholic steatohepatitis. Never heard of that Elijah.

Speaker 2: I have not.

Speaker 4: It's a fatty liver disease related to diabetes, obesity, and so on. 12%. Yeah, I this unmistakably. Associated with the more and more.

Speaker 2: Something to do with a non-stop. Sitting and snacking.

Speaker 4: I think so. I think so. And just today this NPR. I guess it was. Today that I. Heard a big story on pet obesity. So if you're fat and hurt on the old couch, your pet, your dog or whatever is going to be. And in sad shape, too prone to all kinds of diseases, some of which, like the steatohepatitis I've never even heard of. Yeah, it's a pretty scene. It's looking good. But if we go back a little I’m. Turned on by this and this goes back to June 8th. You may notice this they keep pushing stuff back. It's it gets more and more interesting to me discovering Morocco. Dates, the oldest known fossils of Homo sapiens. That's us modern humans at 300,000 years ago. You know, wasn't that long ago. It was like 50,060 thousand. Then it went up to around 200,000 years ago. That people like us first were around. I think it was there was one. 195,000. Years ago Well, that was that was another part of Africactually because. Morocco is northwest Africa. It's not sub-saharan. It's not the Olduvai Gorge, the usual. The original Homo sapiens or non homo sapiens but homeo species anyway. Yeah, this a mind blower and we keep it. You know further and further back we get to this place. It links up with the finding of Thomas Wynn and others that assert that. That homeo species 1,000,000 years ago had an intelligence equal to ours. Although that is hard to. It's hard to translate because we measure that in terms of manipulating symbols in a fully symbolic culture, well that it was not a symbolic culture back then, so but what they based this on? If you haven't heard this before, is a PRG? Exactly a thought experience, but experiment, but taking stone tools. And teasing out the different stages and conceptions and. Modeling and angles and everything else to turn a rock into a stone tool. Of the Acheulian handaxe variety, for example, which incredibly sharp fitted to your hand, there's a place for your thumb I. Mean it's you could chip away in a rock forever. You'd never get that if you didn't know what. You were doing anyway. We're getting back. We're getting way back and to me this just linked. I find it fascinating in terms of the whole question of the symbolic. Which I talked about in Florence a little bit. Back on June 5th. The question of why people started becoming symbolic? Where do symbols come from? Why do people? Represent the world that is presented to them. You know the whole the whole thing of time, language, number, art, so forth, which is very recent. It's way earlier than 300,000 years ago. For example, in light of this. This new finding. So it really undoes a lot of the assumption. You know people were capable of doing all kinds of stuff a long time ago, but they weren't symbolic. And that’s amazing it. Just we are nothing but symbolic. We communicate by exchanging symbols. We measure IQ by how good we are at manipulating symbols. Words and numbers. Anyway, I think this just opening up things even more and this was from the journal Nature if you go. Back to fairly early June, you can get the journal article. And this well established. I don't think there's any doubt because they have. Burned Flint blades. Date from the same time where people were cooking. With fire and. And just the fossil evidence itself directly, the physical evidence. Yeah, the skulls are the same and so. Hello hello sapiens of course the whole taxonomy is arbitrary. These these different. Distinctions that can all. Be reinterpreted or dumped or whatever, as some of these assumptions are shown to be nothing but. Nothing but the arrogance of civilized people that are projecting things and ruling out certain things because people weren't symbolic. Well, another thing in Africa Lake Chad is alarming. This just the latest on this from the New Republic, by the way. June 20th as Lake Chad vanishes 7,000,000. Or on the brink of starvation in 1963. Lake Chad spanned about 10,000 square miles, roughly the size of Maryland. And now due to climate change, it's shrunk by 90%. The wetlands are sand dunes. Yeah, that's the long and the short of that. Meanwhile, 1/4 of England's rivers are at risk of running dry. The data obtained by the worldwide World Wildlife Federation, very drastic. Thing and this you could file under no escape from industrialism, it seems. A startling piece from the June 12th Guardian, the London paper. Air pollution more. Harmful to children in cars than being outside. Than outside of cars. In other words, if you’re in the traffic. And the kids are in the back seat. It's just a big old tank for collecting fumes. Yeah, your children are sitting in a box collecting toxic gases from all the vehicles around you. And then I get. To roll up the windows because the air intake is gets where it's getting the. The polluted air the government is being actually legally sued because they are failing to tackle the overall. Air pollution levels of air pollution. Jason sent me this a while ago. A story about radon. Radon gas is the #2 cause of lung cancer because people live. Sedentary lives and closed up homes closed up. Cars closed up homes. Yeah, so once again we get the nice contrast. If it's a mobile hunter gatherer. And a gold standard, if you'll pardon the expression. And these levels are going up. Right on it's found. Naturally it's found in nature. Yeah, smoking cigarettes is the number one cause of lung cancer. Chris Ward Churchill believes It’s just a coincidence. It's not about smoking cigarettes. It's about plutonium in the air. He argues that it became a big deal about the time of in the 40s when they started the. Enriching uranium to get plutonium for weapons. For next anyway. And I guess that's pretty darn scary. So you're just sitting there eating those snacks. Getting fat. That's so dear. You can't escape. And more on the electromagnetic fields that pulse radiofrequency radiation. Well, I'm not going to, I'm not going to sort it out, but more on that. About childhood development. Neuro developmentally challenged children. Something that wasn't widespread in former generations, whereas the magnetic field radiation. Certainly is widespread. Now it's just a quite a laundry list of disabilities, palsy, autism, seizures. Hearing loss. Not to mention carcinoma. I guess this 2017. Stuff that you could go to bio initiative 2012 website. It's not. This doesn't date from 2012, but it's the current website. If you want to look this up bio initiative 2012.

Speaker 2: Are you talking about cell phone transmissions? Things with things? When you say magnetic fields?

Speaker 4: Not just that. But I think that's. I think that's the the spear point on this. Have you got anything new on?

Speaker 2: That no, I mean, I've heard of it and people are supposedly developing allergies to it. Have to move to zones where there's no cell phone coverage and.

Speaker 4: Phillis Glendenning went to South America because of that because the South tower virtually in our backyard. This. It's wireless technology in general, and I think that’s only what we're discussing. Some of the aspects of it. How you? In the forest field of it.

Speaker 2: There's a letter to the editor in the weekly this week where someone's talking about the. The city of Eugene is going to be introducing some new. I can't remember what it was exactly, but something to monitor more. It's going to put more microwave transmissions into the environment if this happens.

Speaker 4: Well, it's up for grabs. Whether they're going to allow it.

Speaker 2: I believe so.

Speaker 4: I missed that. Well, we got to have the we got to have the radiation. You know we're going to have the wireless. That's for darn sure. I love this ad, another whopper of a full page ad. Magazine ad Microsoft cloud. What if technology could help stop the next epidemic before it happens? Yeah, that would be nice. We're awash in epidemics, yellow fever, Zika. Eboland they’re thinking. Yeah, let's fantasize about the stopping one that before it starts. What about the ones that are here that are get seem to be getting worse? You think, well, that's easy to knock down with all this technology that can't be these. These horrible epidemics but. Of course there are. And another one full page IBM ad picture of a worker. blue collar guy. I can be in 30 million places at once, he says with. With IBM Cloud and Watson, I OT engineers can use I OT data to predict issues before they. Help helping keep anything running smoothly. Yeah, issues again issues before they happen is if there's nothing happening now. And there's nothing that's not running smoothly now, but in the future, just a perfect example of the claims and promises of technology. It's just they just make these scenarios. And every media. Print, Radio, TV, etcetera. I mean you're just. With this nonsense, it's just crazy. I mean, do you think this stop and think for a second about it? That does make sense. Oh man, I just don't want to go on and on with hideous stuff, but I got to mention a couple of things are chronic wasting disease. I noticed that a while back it's spreading among deer and elk documented in 24 states now and it's a prion protein that's the cause like mad cow disease. And these deer and elk in the wild. They turn into zombies. They stumble around, they drool, and then they drop dead. Well, we're in the zombie culture, but. Doesn't seem quite fair. And Speaking of the glories of technology, this past winter, the flu vaccine, even though it was well matched to the flu virus that was the main cause of flu. Often it isn't, they're just guessing they. It turns out the flu vaccine isn't. Isn't targeted on the on the on the virus in practice? Well it was well matched and only 42% effective in preventing serious symptoms or meaning doctor visits. That's not even half, and that's another big boast. You know for vaccines. I love this. This from. Oh, it's from the Atlantic website, I believe.

Speaker 2: On this show, perhaps, but refresh my memory.

Speaker 4: I don't know if I hope I didn't mention before. If I have, my memory is really short. It's a new. It's an app that does everything it's got, posts, it's got likes, it's got comments, it's scrolling timeline.

UNKNOWN: Blah blah blah.

Speaker 4: There's just one catch. None of it is real, as if any of that other stuff is real anyway. BinkIs a ruse, a Potemkin village social network with nothing with no people where all the content is fake and feedback disappears into the void. It doesn't go to anyone. And it might be exactly the thing that smartphone users want and even need.

Speaker 2: There, there's a delicious irony there.

Speaker 4: Now you need an app that does nothing you mean.

Speaker 2: Yeah, like as you say, but what does any of it really do anyway, so?

Speaker 4: Right, yeah, but it's gotta go through technology one way or another. The answer is always technology.

Speaker 2: Like meta metabstraction.

Speaker 4: Yeah, like Baudrillard, there's no. Nothing has a reference point, it's just a copy of a copy of a copy or something. You know the way he was saying it's reality is. Ain't no reality, it's just we're we're untethered from stuff. I think he's he sounds like he's. Making more sense to me all the time. And maybe it's the ultimate nihilism. You go to this app even though it's just a void. Or whenever you call. But it's all working pretty good. I could every week I could give a list of recalls I just mentioned one. This from last Friday, Britax child safety. They make car seats. For the for the kidneys. They're recalling over 207,000. Because part of the clip can break and cause a choking hazard, well, the child is still in place, but it's been choked to death by the by the safety seat.

Speaker 2: And they're turned around backwards, so you wouldn't know.

Speaker 4: Yeah, won't be bothered I guess yeah. Oh geez, Wall Street Journal. Over the weekend, let's see. Is it this weekend? I think it's not this. Weekend, but anyway. This just a. This just a trope. It's a, but a truism I. Something that you already know. Does Facebook make us happy? Does sorry does make? Does Facebook make us unhappy and unhealthy? According to the American Journal of Epidemiology. Yes, it turns out the more times you click like the worse you feel the more isolated. Because there aren't real friendships or real interactions. Let's reach for that app.

Speaker 2: Yeah, you just go to Binky and.

Speaker 4: Thank you yes, hey.

Speaker 2: And like your pretend friends that don't really exist.

Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear you indeed. Oh yeah. Banality, that's the word I was looking. This a registered guard. While I was gone, let's see when is the date June 4th? A lovely story about a woman. Olivia Binder binder And her. And her young daughter. And yeah, the adventures they have hiking. No mother and son. She's on a quest to visit 50 waterfalls in the northwest anyway, the the punch line is. She was depressed. She was miserable. She was lonely and the tech didn't work. The counseling didn't work, but. What really worked is, as she says, we see far too many babies and toddlers who are being entertained by their parents, cell phones and iPads. 40% of kids by the age of 2 going to a recent study adept at using their parents cell phones. I meant rather, a baby. Explore the trails rather than explore the Internet. We'll put. I think we might have a call we have. A little time.

Speaker 3: So we can hit that.

Speaker 4: Oh, there we go.

Speaker 1: Yeah I heard some hissing.

Speaker 4: There we go. Yeah, got it. Yeah thanks.

Speaker 1: I just wanted to comment on that app.

Speaker 4: OK.

Speaker 1: It's called a banking.

Speaker 4: Right?

Speaker 1: A Binky is a pacifier for babies.

Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. That's why it seemed familiar. Yeah, that's the word for the. You put like the.

Speaker 1: Hilarious, so you talk about meta meta.

Speaker 4: All right? Yes indeed you book.

Speaker 1: OK, I just thought I'd mention that to you from the e-mail and I of course know all these things.

Speaker 4: Very good. You do well. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 1: All right, bye.

Speaker 4: Bye bye so you pop the app into your mouth like a. Like an actual Binky. Yeah, very good we got. We got listeners around the ball here. Well, here's. We won't lot of time we going to make. Room for Mr Chris pretty soon. Here's a new book. a mind blower to me. Anyway, ethnography and virtual worlds, a handbook of method. This the ethnography. Well, as the title says of virtual reality and they're treating this as. As you would do field work among different people. Whoa, it's. Oh, it's hard. To wrap one's brain around that. Seems to me and it's utterly seriously, how? What do we choose to record and what? How it shapes our ethnographic models and blah blah blah except. Except it's not real. It's like it's like Binky. It's the yeah online culture. It's not actual culture, I mean, well, it's it is the culture, but there are no. People there. So how do you do ethnography when? It's just you get the point, it's. It is pretty crazy, I think. Yeah, ethnography and virtual worlds. Four different authors. From Princeton University Press came out in 2012, so yeah, they. They've been doing. This ethnographic work in the virtual. Known space for a little while now anyway, but Ray for the hot Black Coffee Cafe in Toronto for declining to offer Wi-Fi. There's another piece about this. Yeah, this the June 12th New York Times about other cafes and so forth. Including seven of the eight New York City locations of Cafe Grumpy, I like that grumpy grumpy. Yeah, they yeah, take don't to. They're trying to contribute to better health and real interaction, real human interaction. It's about creating a social vibe. Said one hot black guy were a vehicle for human interaction. Otherwise it's just a commodity. You're just peddling caffeine, otherwise very good. But there's always the plus is always swatted out by the minus I'm afraid. Well, not exactly. Let's go back and forth for another minute. Or two. And oh, who sent this to me? I'd like to say thanks, but I forgot. And Jason anyway, armed with the needle and thread, US Girl Scouts who mastered the required skills can attach to their uniforms sash the first of 18 cyber security badges. That will be rolled out next year. So yeah, they can be. They can be your government, cyber snoops, there they will be the cops. Answering the cyber threats and they'll get a badge. Just the idea, maybe it was the original idea. It wasn't the Boy Scouts a Nazi sort of idea in. The first place. Be prepared right? Maybe the Girl Scouts will save us from all hacking or something. I have no idea. They're probably better around than I. Am it's Carl well knows, but we go swing the other way. Vintage typewriters game fans. Shipping story last Friday. Well, 10 days ago Friday I mean 1011 days ago from today, June 16 typewriter enthusiasts gathered at an Albuquerque restaurant. Anyway, they it leads into a whole thing about the once ubiquitous machines are coming out of the attics as resurgence spreads. like vinyl I guess.

Speaker 2: Vinyl never died. No good.

Speaker 4: Yeah, vintage typewriters. They have these big gatherings in public places. People try out all these different old machines. They were old. I mean that's even electric. Typewriters disappeared 20-30 years ago. I had one and I couldn't get it fixed because they looked at me like what is this? A buggy or buggy whip or something. Anyway, there is a review of that. It's the anniversary 20th anniversary of Radiohead's album. OK computer. Here and they review theadline is they had it right, and that's bad. In other words, Radiohead, they saw the tech alienation arriving. Well late 90s. I mean it's but yeah, along with the environmental destruction that accompanies that. Yeah, Radiohead. You know I was in Londonce actually in coming up out of the tube. In I think it was Bethnal Green, some stop in the east side. And there were these guys blocking the entrances. Big beefy. Sort of biker looking types. They look pretty. And I thought what theck am I going to? Get out of here. But it was a joke. They were just promoting a Radiohead deal and they were very friendly. But they looked real fierce. Like there were. Not going to let us down or something, but that was cool anyway. OK, one more thing this, the much ballyhooed DNA we will chart. The DNA will break down the code. We'll be able to deal with disease and so forth. Of course, that didn't. Happen at all. There's a piece in the Sunday New York Times, the June 18th New York Times that is the upside of bad genes and the whole point of this story is OK. You can pluck out a bad gene, but that might just screw up a whole. Complex interaction or. ecosystem if you will. It doesn't. You're not necessarily doing something good you may. It doesn't work that way. I mean, and that was the problem. The complexity, or even more than complexity of DNA. All the ways that these things do interact and work together. In fact, there's a new book. Steven J Heine DNA is not destiny. The remarkable, completely misunderstood relationship between your you and your genes. Very similar point. Now another.

06-06-2017

[audio] Kathan, Cliff, and Ian host. Portland MAX attack as nihilism in action? R. M. Dunbar on friendship, indiscriminate violence and morality. Four calls.

05-30-2017

[audio] "Nihilist" attack on Portland light-rail, two dead. Ads of the week. Everything is online - and often failing, paralyzing major services. OD's under-reported, mass shootings con- tinue. Birds, sea life steadily poisoned. Second Livestock, latest GMO madness, robot- ics for babies. Paul Kingsnorth: "Most of us don't want to change much."(!) Kathan, Cliff, Ian next week (June 6). International action reports, two calls.

05-23-2017

[audio] ITS, ISIS claim responsibility for Manchester Arena bombing. No more Ringling Bros. Horkheimer on the circus and domestication. Ross Ice Shelf at risk, flooding threatens Global Seed Vault in Arctic. Anti-fat It's Going Down: pro-union, leftist, inflating the 'global rise of fascism.' Tokyo 2020 Olympics - 'greenest games of all' - stadium built of wood from rainforest indigenous Penan, destroying their lifeway. VICE UK sees pos- sible anti-tech counterculture emerging as online losing its luster. Action news, one call.

05-16-2017

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Global hack by wannacry: no place to hide. Telehealth: be a virtual patient. Accelerationism. Murder of a young woman - latest fascist path- ology from ITS. Invisible Committee gets it re: technology; Adbusters does NOT. Shootings, oceans awash with plastic, coffee shops drop wi-fi. Action briefs, 3 calls.

05-09-2017

[audio] The Great French election abstention. Further sickening ITS garbage: kill all hikers! Domestication is here to stay! Can't go back! Chronic misery of civilization, arctic melting faster, "alarming" Long Island water crisis, record heat in US SouthWest, opioid epidemic worsens. Indianthro- pologist regrets his role in domesticating Andaman Islanders. Resistance news, Feral Futures in SW Colorado, June 17-25.

Speaker 1: Do your youngsters ever ask you? Do your youngsters ever ask you? What did you do before television was invented? Now sometimes it's hard to answer that question in a way that they'll understand we read. And we played out in the fresh air a lot more. At least that's what we tell the kid. But maybe there's another answer.

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Speaker 3: AWVA, Eugene Good evening, you're listening to KWVA Eugene or it's time right now for Anarchy radio. Number here is 5413460645 I'm in the studio with John and we are going to get things rolling right after we listen to some music that's new to both of us. And not necessarily new. I'm going to investigate this while it's playing. This Anthony branker. Brunker branker

Speaker 4: Anarchy Radio May 9th. Well, I often feel this way, but possibly even more so tonight. Crazy stuff. It gets some especially crazy things and you can probably guess what one of them. Is from or about. Anyway, Kathy will be here to join us next week and I wanted to. I better get straight on this, I better figure. This out the Tuesday, the June 6th and Tuesday, June 13th will be. In Little League. So I think maybe one of those just guessing you one of those. Broadcast will be covered by. One or more other people, but. Going to try to figure that out before too long here. Well, it was a much valued French election Sunday. Le Pen got 11 million votes, 16 million were blank ballots or no ballots, 16 million abstentions. The biggest abstention percentage since. 1969 Yeah, democracy. Is fading and we see more of that going on. I thought that was possibly the most interesting thing about that. Thank you girl. Been a little minor ride going on out there or something. The sports kids. You know, I was looking again at the TV ads, the news cable, and Network News. Outlets because they say sometimes just scan that in terms of this program for one thing, but. You know I've mentioned this at least once. The chronic illness reality because in prime time I'm sort of guessing, but I think the more or less prime time advertising slots, it's amazing how you would think. Everybody has a chronic illness in this country, and they're making a lot of money evidently from that, but more specifically on a visceral level. And thisn't the dinner hour, I guess anymore, so I can talk about this. No, I mean the different ads for pharma for diarrhea, irritable bowel syndrome, Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis. You know, these are the things Speaking of visceral, that's viscera. That's that's your insides, obviously, and it's usually thought of as. Has at least some emotional component and. Yeah, it's the massive toll of alienated life. I would say it's one way to put it. You know It’s getting us in a deep way down deep and a lot of other things too. At least who knows what exactly all the etiology or causation is. That's really don't. But and things like I think psoriasis eczema, there's a lot of stuff about that. I think those are relatively. More to do with the emotional component that's. Hitting everybody I guess. I've well, it's just last. Week I think I mentioned more. Cops are getting shot. And a constant. Let's not forget how many cops are shooting. People of color, especially unarmed black people. By the way, get down the line a little bit tonight. Going to be talking about the 29th communicate from the individuals. Tending toward the wild. And they've signed this latest one wild serial killers. So yeah, I see a certain conjoining of. The man is because, well, this different from the cops shooting. People are getting shot, but the random shootings? The serial killings, is what I'm getting at. Nothing new there. I suspect that's there's more of. But various places have been somewhat terrorized by crazed serial killers. It was nine random. Shootings in Phoenix. Recently, I guess they've just busted somebody. Yesterday I think about that, but anyway. And some of the. This just this just one day's insanity. Just a slight slice of 1 day's insanity yesterday. That is New York Times yesterday Den is growing in nations parks. Then as the background level is about twice. The normal background noise that you would get just being out somewhere. And 2/3 of the nation's parks. And that's owing to planes, cars, and industry. So all the different kinds of pollution, including noise pollution and a pretty wild piece. Also, today you have today, May 9th in the time Long Island sees its water go from bad to alarming. Suffolk County for example. Dead rivers closed beaches. Harmful algae blooms. That's that was new to me and also. Today, warmer Alaska may mean more carbon emissions. Actually, this story takes out the may part of it as Arctic tundra. Is going from taking in CO2 from the atmosphere to putting it out. And of course, that's going strong in the Arctic, the thawing and more tundra. More melting of the permafrost as well. And here's there's something also today NBC News. The geoengineering? Responses to global warming. They're just. There's a lot of. If they weren't. If this weren't so dire, they'd be historically hysterically funny. You know, zapping putting iron filings in space to, . Somehow deal with it and. Getting the lasers fired up up there. All this stuff, they just seemed like this real desperation and obviously. It's in lieu of really tackling what causes it. Needless to say, they don't even have to say it, but here's a new one that just came out. New now researchers at Arizona State University. They're floating a plan to save the thinning Arctic ice cap. That's that part of the global warming thing. And it consists of get this 10 million. Pumps supposedly. Wind powered water pumps. 10 million of them to cover 10% of Arctic ice at a cost of $50 billion.

Speaker 3: Does everybody have to leave their refrigerator door open too?

Speaker 4: That would probably be more sensible than this, and it shows a diagram of how they're simple deals, but picture 10 million of them and well, for example. What would the cost to the climate be of making 10 million of these things for starters and then installing them and so forth? I mean not to mention the.

Speaker 3: And drive them all up there.

Speaker 4: Try them all up there. I guess you got to. Get them. Up there and so the idea is they would suck up the cold sea water and pump it up to blow it onto the ice during the winter. So it would be they'd be forming more ice due to 10 million pumps. Oh yeah, that'll work. I'm just sure of it. Oh boy, in another part of the warming. Up north, for example, climate change of course, again, melting the permafrost soil. Well, they've been frozen for thousands of years, and as the soils melt, they are releasing ancient viruses and bacteria. And that's I know after all that dormancy, they're springing back to life. Yeah, we have. We don't already have enough problem with antibiotic resistance to all the bacteria we. Apparently know about but. Whoa, just one more. Carry thing in. Speaking of warming, record heat in the Southwest reported the last few triple digit temperatures in Las Vegas. For example, these are records. 100 and. Eight in Phoenix on Friday that was May 6th. I don't need in early May that's. That's fierce. What will it be at the end of July? I don't want to find out. Saturday a chemical spill in Charleston, WV. So there is a ban on using tap water that's familiar already too. And then there are the hundreds of leopard sharks dying in San Francisco Bay. And they're trying to figure it out. Once again, the mysterious deal. There, in fact there may be. Thousands and they experts believe the sharks are picking up toxins in stagnant saltwater. I don't know why it's stagnant. Well, partly they're filling in the Bay they've that's been going on for years and years. But large numbers of dead sharks along this short shorelines. Pretty much all around the. Bay, especially in the northern part of San Francisco Bay. Oakland, San Francisco Largest die off in years. The repertoire is the baby's most abundant shark. And Speaking of China here. Yellow fever epidemic spreading in China enters a piece in the New York Times on Saturday. The 6th about the dust storms. That are taking over China, especially in the east and the north. And that's because of the desertification you got more dust. New record levels of hazardous air. In Beijing specifically. The Chinese deserts expand by gobbling up roughly 1300 square miles a year. Yeah, they now these these major death terms are annual. Annual occurrence and making the pollution worse. There you go. And if you notice bike by journal Mulligan Park here in Eugene. Have you seen that the.

Speaker 3: New Deal I haven't been by there in a long time.

Speaker 4: Well, they completely click at the thing. And now.

Speaker 3: Aren't there like a baby trees there now?

Speaker 4: I bet they won't get very big if.

Speaker 3: Like they like, they cut down the real trees and put their trees there.

Speaker 4: Yeah, they didn't want to have homeless people sheltering from the rain, right?

Speaker 3: Under the trees.

Speaker 4: So when I saw this bike by there the other day, there were a couple of people that looked homeless. They were sitting at the picnic tables. Getting rained on it's.

Speaker 3: They didn't put spikes on the picnic table.

Speaker 4: That's probably next, but no shelter. It's and grandson. He's called it a desert. It's as he and Alice went by. He just looked out the window and said the desert. Well, 3. Oh boy, get some good Action News stuff. And by the way we're at 541-346-0645 as we cruise along here. Well, I'm just going to jump into this. There’s a couple of ITS type things and it's just sad. The phenomenon and the fact that what else is going on to talk about in a in a. Way that's not totally true. I certainly think it isn't true, but. Well, let's start with. Not the official 29th communique, but something from a website called Miko Yu. Which apparently is a canai word or word given to them. By this we're talking about Southern Midwest Canada. The Plains Cree named them this particular group, Miko Yu, meaning bloodthirsty so, and this this a piece called rewilding at the website, which is which takes the name miko you and. Yeah, they love the bloodthirsty stuff. And of course they repeat the ITS type. Nihilist refrain. The great wills of the past are dead, and that there is no going back to them. Now everybody says that yeah, Democrats, Republicans, nihilists, they insist on it. They repeat that mantra. No, domestication is inscribed in our flesh. Yeah, OK, right. It isn't the fact that we lived. Outside of domestication, for two or three million years, but. You know that's just that's an article of faith, but it's a really messed up faith with me, just. Just completely throwing the towel in every way. It's nonsense to talk about rewilding. Or think about what it would be like to not be domesticated. Yeah, this savage constant attack. On what they don't like, it's just it's. It’s strange in a way why they have to insist upon this, why they have to? Why are they so exercised about that? They that's their whole deal. You know, it's just. It's incredible. I mean, it's not incredible. It's been around for a while, it just keeps. They just keep repeating the same stuff and I would say getting even crazier, getting even more. Vicious and. Stupidly, nihilist, in my view. And here's the aforementioned 29th communique. Oh, there's some great stuff here. And I'm going to jump right to the punchline as I see it the most incredible thing about it. And who knows if this true? Who knows if any of these things that they recount? And take it, take responsibility for true. I'm not too worried about the death threat against me that they more or less put out a month or two ago, so I don't take it seriously, but it's the thought that counts, maybe right? It's the pathology in the mind that. Is the striking part of it outside of whether or not? Any of this actually well toward the end of this communique, they're talking about being out in a I think they called it a semi virginal wild part near Mount Taloc, and I don't know where that is. It's somewhere in Mexico. And they've been there. Apparently there's been some. Illegal loggers. And they said in the communique we thought previously to kill some of the illegal loggers. You know you. Getting to that like. Well, that would make more sense than blowing up passers by. Let me just read this. We thought previously to kill some of the illegal loggers on Mount Tilok. They're apparently at the base of this mountain or hill. Since they think they can just cut down a tree without any consequences, well, they're wrong about that. We will EFF up all of these modern humans who devastate the earth, but that will have to wait a bit because no truck was seen coming up to log. But a nature loving couple passed by where were stalking and finally the devil appeared. Well, were looking only with the eyes of. Only a detonation was heard, and in seeing the detonation and the individual falling gunshot, obviously their cowardly companion tried to flee, which was useless. They only got 4 steps before the other other bullets struck them in thead. And without further ado, we left that place, leaving no trace without witnesses. And so forth, and they go on to say the police and the mediare trying to say it was a. Mugging but they disagree of course, because they want to take. Credit and what they're saying is that. They make it very clear any human in nature should be killed. We won't hesitate. Yeah, if it isn't sickening and people are lapping this up and it really is something, here's a little contrast. By the way, free Radical radio is back. And they are putting up their podcasting that communicates. I don't know how many they're going to do. They're starting with number one and one and #2 Yeah, that's just great, that's. Way to go. Yeah, let's hear more of this garbage. I don't know people just get titillated by they're so far gone. And they're nihilist. Bag that. That's what they. Applaud and want to hear about more and more. That's just repulsive. Meanwhile, under theading rewild resist. Wild roots feral futures is going on 9 years running now and they're going to have the next one. From June 17th to June 25th. In southwest Colorado, they're trying to get it together now you can go to feralfutures.wordpress.com to find out. How to learn more and maybe maybe contribute? Maybe there in the mountains of. In the Rockies there in Colorado, great people out there. Yeah, but . Getting back to ITS yeah they signed to communicate wild serial killers. Which is pretty much all they've ever been. As a friend of. Mine noticed. Yeah, you can go to a Tulsand find this stuff. Is is a favorite passage from a friend of mine? We no longer take the position of being defenders of wild nature, nor that of anti civilization primitivist nor any of the other terms that you've heard applied to us. I don't. I'm not sure why people would apply that to them, but we have positioned ourselves as the enemy of the human being, without concerning ourselves about using civilization to carry out our actions. And this this stuck out too, for. I mean, they're the publicity hounds and they. You know, if you thought of this as just a big hoax. Just a big long running bad. You know? Somebody's doing a pretty good job of it. I'd have to say because it's pretty seamless, pretty coherent. You know, to just throttle this out. You know to take up this position to publicize this position. Here's another part of it that's getting to this quote. The human being is not necessary in the natural biological systems of planet Earth. The only thing that it does is modify it in a negative manner. Well then. That's the destructive power that they are wielding, isn't it? You know. They can. Yeah, whatever gets in the way of the nothing these nihilists idealize yeah that would in other words is a little bit contradictory isn't it? It actually can take any species out of the ecology overall, and you could still if it evolved that way, especially, you still have a functioning ecosystem. I mean. You could say everything is necessary or nothing is necessary. I mean, that's just that's just some rhetoric, . Anyway, I am buoyed up by the announcement from Wildwood's feral futures and again you can go to feral futures. That or feralfeatures.wordpress.com. And find something healthy that isn't surrendering. In a little. Self induced **** of indiscriminate violence. Yeah, gunned down these hikers this couple that was out there. Yeah, they should die. It's of course they should. All righty. Well, I've been having. I don't want to. Well maybe I won't even get to it. That's gripe about. Thell this show has been. Realized there was a few problems that anyway, but we know we're talking about, but domestication. Let's just go on that again a little more from people who are. They were humans who were worth being called humans. I would say an amazing story. I found this pretty amazing Saturdays New York Times. Anthropologist season of regret over helping tame a tribe. Team and tribe. That's exactly the domestication of course. A fellow anthropologist who's known as 80s TM pondit. And as his in his old age, he's thinking about the time he spent with the hunter gatherer tribes of the Andaman Islands, which are E. Of the subcontinent. And it's still pretty pristine area, although a lot of the people that were uncontacted. Well, to get to the point, he was very instrumental and he's and he does regret it. In getting these people to be contacted. And he thinks back about the primitive people living very simply, especially the ones on an island called N Sentinel. And so they were termed the Sentinel leaves. And the process of immigration. And how? How debilitating it was exposed to modern way of life wasn't easy. I mean, they didn't just jump for it, but. You know similar. Similar story mainly everywhere US, Australia, et cetera. Devastated by disease and addiction. Now they're mostly beggars. They've just been ruined their entire culture, the integrity of it is just killed. And so, yeah, that's but it's. But it's really a delusion to think about domestication, isn't it? To think about. What it would be like, what it was like outside of civilization and this guy ruins the day or the years. I should say that he spent. Doing that and just. They shouldn't have put down their bows and arrows is what he's saying. They should have kept the. All the garbage of modernity and civilization out. You know they should have been allowed to. Somehow allowed to be hunter gatherers? Now they beg for things. The negative impact of contact is inescapable and sad. Yeah, this guy he's he's come to terms with this. He. His face, the truth of what he did and he understands it. He understands the magnitude of it. The cultural devastation. Well, and by the way, here's another like to give a shout out to Leila Del Rahim's book. It's one of two books, but this book is called children's literature, domestication and Social Foundation. Narratives of civilization and wilderness parents. She hasn't drank the kool-aid to say that. Domestication is just ineradicable. It's just a. You know part of our DNA now. Well, that's just exactly what our Masters want us to swallow, but Leela certainly hasn't swallowed it. And I think it's struck me as a companion to this Indianthropology. Meditating on. On what he witnessed. And was actually a part of. Well, let's see. We got we better we better take a break here and wait for your call. Yeah, we got some. We got some dub, I think right. So was that it?

Speaker 3: I don't remember what this.

Speaker 4: We'll find out.

Speaker 2: Gleaming and twinkling in the night the night.

Speaker 4: That was dub zombies by a head case. Let's go on to something a little more uplifting. Take the crap taste out of my mouth anyway, some action, news and related stuff. Get a message just couple of days ago or so from. A friend in England's northern England. He reports local resistance is happening everywhere here in Sheffield and where I live, but I want to give way too many details. At all but. They're talking about saving trees. High speed rail opposition, high speed, high speed rail, and fracking. The fracking thing. Frack free Lancashire. Is the name of the. Deal there that they in support of, I guess, made me think Lancashire. That was really a very central the Luddite risings 200 years ago. near North England just to. So it lives on. I don't really have details about this, but this ongoing stuff and it sounded pretty good. OK May 1st brothers. I could have continued. We could continue now with more about Mayday, but that's in the past but just mentione thing. Costa Rica burning barricades. Insurrectional action in Costa Rican territories. For all the fallen and the anarchist prisoners they will never kill the idea were everywhere. We exist and we resist. May this society fall. In Vietnam, I remember seeing something about this a while back, so I guess this back because. The most recent thing about this, these are villagers holding officials and police hostage to fight off development. The latest piece of Saturday the 6th in the New York Times. Yeah, and the most recent round of this. Three dozen officials and police were taken hostage. This about 910 days ago. Don Tom Village on the outskirts of Hanoi. Yeah, they're fighting back because they just seized land for. Industrial development and other kinds of development. It's pretty major in Latvia. 400 Mink were released in a breaking at the Baltic, Devon, Mink Farm on the night of May 2nd May 3rd, similar to one and at the end of April at the Gauja for Farm also in Latvia. Several dozen cages were opening. Were opened. Yeah, several €1000. In losses to the people. Imprisoning the. And the teachers in Chiapas, yeah once again. Also, in wahaca this we heard about that quite a bit, but in Chiapas well fighting the government and the official Union. There was a piece and it's going down May 6th. Yeah, they've been really a lot of on May 3rd, for example, 72 hours of Hwy, toll booths, takeovers, taking of public buildings, closing shopping malls. And lots of stuff that's. On and off that's been ongoing, yeah? And let's see Buenos Aires. There was a solidarity demo. At the Chilean consulate, St St was blocked. Small fire, graffiti everywhere at the Chilean consulate in solidarity. With three Americans jailed in Chile. Speaking of Chile that this happened in Argentina but in Santiago, Chile. OK. Early on May 5th. We arrived at the grimmy with the horse track, a race horse track. Sealed all their locks and main entrance with liquid steel glue and there's a little. Graphic of the aforementioned steel. Glue easily obtained and they're going to continue hindering the operation of this place. And any other where animal exploitation takes place. We will always be there, disturbing them. That is our commitment. Alf, Chile and ELF Chile. On the same date actually. Noise bump inside a large car dealership in Santiago double dipping there in Santiago, Chile. Athens yesterday, May 8th we came to the Office of Perfect Clean. It's an odd name for a real estate agency, but. They're talking about the predators that gentrifiers, making it impossible to pay rents. Yeah, anticus collective rubicone this. Or something like that. In Athens this anti evictions outfit and there's a little bit of video. They some people just came in there and trashed the place. And let's see yesterday in Seattle, Chase Morgan no, JP Morgan Chase Banks, 13 branches of which were shut down temporarily in protest against the. Loaning by said bank to projects like Keystone XL pipeline. So that was a coordinated thing. And yeah, 13 different branches allowance. Climate News network reports. Today, actually a recent violent attack on a group of indigenous people in the Amazon rainforest in response to. Traditional people, indigenous people, reoccupying land. 1200 people occupying cattle farms. On what they what is their traditional land? And there we have the battle of domestication in stark terms. Yeah, violent, they’re trying to. They're trying to retake their land of course. Once the violence needed out this, this ongoing of course, and in the various areas. Where the forest has been cleared and replaced with cattle, pasture domestication straight up. But hey, it's a it's inherent in our DNA, it's just it's genetic now. So give it up. Don't don't have these delusions, don't. Put your life on the line. For something like that now, let's see this, that's no good. OK, also today Erica squat Rosa Nera which popped up in the news a while ago in Athens. Being defended defines that's the story which I hope to hear more about. How that's going on, but it's a battle. And 200 renters on strike in Toronto's Parkdale neighbourhood. That's into the second week. So there you have it. Some people aren't lying down and. All right? OK, somebody better call us hey 5413460645. Carlos checking the phone as we speak. Yep, no excuse. Well, here's a heart warming story. Getting into some tech stuff for the moment here. ABC News last Wednesday the 3rd. Yeah, heartwarming moment played out over the weekend in Seattle between a robotic cat and a woman suffering from mild dementia. But they put these stories out pretty regularly now. Because human contact human touch that's. It's passe. This a this a woman who lives. In an adult family home. And this fellow, who's identified well, is even they even have his name. Decided to present his mother with a robotic cat to lift her spirits, and there's a video of this. It closes its eyes, said his mother with amazement. You see, in the videos the cat shook its head and let out. A gentle purr. Oh man. Yeah, that's just her warming so you can just give her a machine and that’s the way that goes, yeah, alright, my so-called Instagram life in the Sunday New York Times there's a feature I forget what it's called but. It's sort of a. Is the love Lauren a deal? Then this one specifically. Is about. The sadness of. Of someone's Instagram wife? Main thrust of it is a continuity of dishonesty. This woman says I built her up that is the Instagram life that she installed without blueprints, not knowing she would become a wall with no doors. Once again, that's colonizing invasive addictive feature. Oh boy and let's see along these lines. In fact, in the same. In the same New York Times Sunday the 7th, don't let fake book make you miserable. And this details. Raw Google search data. Which proves that we are not who we say we are. On social media. How about that? Life online is lots of lies. It's I think that's not the first time we've heard that. People being made miserable. The images of other people, and then they're putting out their own images that. Maybe not all that accurate. There's a prediction by Matt Weinberg. Where did this come from anyway? Talking about oh from Business Insider. A little while back. He says the smartphone is eventually. Going to die. And things are really going to get weird. Yeah, they're already weird. He's he's implicitly copping to that. But wow, let's imagine that let's conceive of that. It would better than conceiving of. Life outside domestication I guess. Well and all this technology, the bonded technology that's making all these promises constantly and all these new developments by the hour tech trouble tops car gripes. This in the business pages AP story about the people's problems. With their cars. Dependability rankings of what's what's the problem with your car? Well, it's the technology about that. Yeah, these are surveys of and putting together how? That is the problem, not the solution. Well, boy, if nobody calls. He used to have a lot. Of good stuff here, but. This a little while back. Earlier the month I think it was early in the month. Cover of Time magazine. They had a they went back to they showed a cover from 1966. Is God dead? Apparently bunch of stuff about religious affiliation and so forth. Well, the cover the recent one cover of life is truth dead. So the postmodern world. And boy, there is no escape from that. It's just unrelenting. And it's just. It's just begging for the answer. As zany as things get, you always, it seems like what is expected implicitly as well. Who are you to say what? What, what grounds do you have no grounds for? Any real judgment or meaning, or any fixed or stable sort of assessment. We know, in the postmodern world, that's not. That doesn't exist anymore. Well yeah, and I know I've referred to this before, but it becomes absolutely. I mean, you don't. You don't have to puzzle over and scratch your head over it over and over again. What you do, I think you should, but. We already know. What what the entire ethos, the entire climate. Makes for this sort of reality. If you want to call it a reality. You know, and to. Get back to. The physical stuff that's going on there was Credit Guardian article. And thank you Austin for showing me this. May 4th Guardian the Great planet silence. We are on the edge of the abyss, but we ignore it. And of course there's a lot of denial. This absolutely nothing new, but. At least we're getting more stuff that really even where it comes out in different places, and some of it doesn't come out much. But we're getting the stark picture. You know we're getting. It's filling in the blanks. And this well, just I'm going to read just a little bit from this piece. Yet the earth sign has continued to haunt us following us around like wailing apparitions. While we hurry on with our lives turning around occasionally with irritation to hold up the crucifix of progress. And further down, perhaps the intellectual surrender is so complete because the force forces we hoped would make the world a more civilized place. Personal freedoms, democracy material, advanced technological power or in truth, paving the way to its destruction. Or you could say the fullness of civilization is we have, but the powers we most trusted have betrayed us, that which we believe would save us now threatens to devour us and a punchline. Our bottom line thing. So today the greatest tragedy is the absence of a sense of the tragedy. And if you want to get more on this from the from the author's book, Clive Hamilton, it's an excerpted thing from. A new book by Clive Hamilton. Defiant earth. The fate of humans in the Anthropocene. We'll have to check that out. And as it is, we find that nothing is natural. You know, you can't. These are just illusions, it's just all social construct. an interesting piece. In the journal Pediatrics. And there was. It starts out. It's a piece about mothers breastfeeding. it goes from one thing to another in a sort of interesting way, and they're talking about the tendency for people to believe that what is natural is better. You know, there's this powerful thought. And again, if there is no nature, there's no natural technology is good, and that's what they're getting at here, because they’re feeling that it sort of undermining. The text of the belief in the technological approach of course part of. This would be the. The anti vaccine people and I don't. At that point, so slow that not that I know a lot about it, but anyway, this piece rails against that. See if you want to make the whole big thing about breastfeeding and it's so wonderful because it's so natural and it doesn't really talk about the benefits for babies. Although it sort of alludes to them, but anyway it quickly. Gets on to. The thing that. The what they're concerned about the breastfeeding promotion. Works to praise the natural. And the implicit thing is. It ain't it. Doesn't mean it's good just because it's natural. They're on tricky grounds or anything, but. But what they're really getting at is. You know you don't have any. You're undermining things and you don't have any basis. Once again, it's like classic postmodern. You look out, if you think something's natural. It's not only an illusion, but. You won't have technology to save you if you if you're under wearing it. Yeah, the. Idea of the. Natural evokes a sense of purity, goodness, harmlessness, and so forth. But anything synthetic or technological is, of course, seen as unnatural and should arouse suspicion and distrust. And what's natural. Is supposedly safer and healthier, and of course they scoff and all that. It’s bizarre. Yeah, they don't want people to just to go nuts with that or to move really down the road all that much. And what? What seems to be getting worse in this society anyway? Is the opioid epidemic? They how many OD's. All the time, it just it's just a constant. Flood about that. It's a piece of oil back. New York Times in nurses room. Tylenol bandages and antidote for heroin. This New Rochelle, NY, which is a suburb of New York about. Naloxone for heroin OD's Yeah, just that's it's. A typical thing you need in a. In a school, the school nurse will. Necessarily be. You know I was talking about the all the different maladies. The chronic things that. Account for millions and billions of dollars worth of big pharma sales. The. What you get in this society in terms of the illnesses and complaints? D Scene which is a. Design journal architectural and design scene. They're talking about how. Well, it's a design thing, but basically secluded pods for office workers to meditate, smash things, or scream. Will be commonplace in two years time. According to these different people and research and so on, stress related illness cost the US economy $300 billion a year and it does. Issue forth in these different physiological. Illnesses, but yeah, they're going to have these so-called breakout pods. In workplaces, in the near future, to combat the epidemic levels of stress. Experienced by office workers all around the globe. We have to it's urgent that we reduce. The this stress level. Yeah, this from Europe and the US and as they say. Probably everywhere where you have the techno industrial. Rat maze of work. And meanwhile people are talking about sleep. Sleep is the new status symbol. Once we would brag of not eating very much sleep now deep slumber is coveted through apps, gadgets and classes. Because it's a rare thing you don't get much of in the general sense. In the terms of the overall culture, glorious sleep. Yeah, you got the dyspepsiand everything and you have the sleeplessness. In large doses. Yeah, well, I won't even go into the I could deal out some recalls. Of the week, but here's one that it was. This a tasty one in Florida. A dead bat was found in a 5 ounce solo wrapped salad mix. Packaged at a Walmart. And two ate from it. Rabies shots were recommended. And dead bat in. Your in your salad mix.

Speaker 3: A poor bath.

Speaker 4: Yikes, yeah, the poor bet. Yeah, geez, air pollution in London, No2, nitrous oxide no no not nitrous oxide. That would make everybody happy. I think this nitrogen outside. One of the very major pollutant in. From from traffic. In London, study shows that it produces as much life dissatisfaction. That's their term as the death of a spouse. Yeah, the pollution in the cities is oh, we conquered that years ago, right? Nope, Nope. Nope. OK, I figured that Chris in the building area so I can see through. The window here. So we're going to scamper on out of here. I think we. Got a. Considerably yeah, join join us and Katherine next week please.

05-02-2017

[audio] May Day action! ITS #28 and Wandering Cannibals proclaim hate and death for all humans - except themselves. Humans in So. Cal. 130,000 years ago. "Oh, What a Beautiful Morning (Online)," "Pope Tells Tech Leaders to Nurture Ties With Others." More extinctions, power outages, shootings, anxiety "disorders." Head of AMA: tech HARMS patients. Resistance news, three calls.

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Speaker 3: KWV, a Eugene

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Speaker 4: That's right, it's. KWV a Eugene. You're listening to anarchy radio. As you do every Tuesday night at 7:00 PM, we're until 8:00 o'clock and it's just me and John in the studio today, the phone number. Of course, as always. In perpetuity, is 5413460645. We'll be taking your calls after a little bit of a music break. This from Northern Ireland it's a group called Citizen Nobody. This song is called born again primitive.

UNKNOWN: Rising from the. Water like a.

Speaker 2: All the.

Speaker 5: Primitivo from Belfast. We like it. Yes Ray, this May 2nd Anarchy radio. Well, I get some knockout stuff here. Knockout material where to start. Well I guess that's obvious in light of what happened yesterday. Yeah, there is medical energy out there. Talking about Mayday, that's for sure, and of course, the Pacific Northwest leads the way Portland Olympia. Oh man, yeah. From from the AP story about Portland. In this morning's paper, anarchist destroyed a police car, set several fires in the street, damaged storefront windows and attacked police.

UNKNOWN: And wow.

Speaker 5: And several cops were injured in Olympia by black clad protesters throwing rocks and smashing windows. Man, they went off and. The front page of the New York Times shows the line of. Riot cops. And two or more of them are on fire, and it was reported that six cops were injured. Yeah, they use the big old Molotov landed in the line of the cops and. And the local paper also front page here. Concerning Portland they could see. The what looks like the police, the police, the police cruiser in question is. Burning and the cops are sort of standing behind the flame. It’s a dramatic picture indeed. And then there's the usual. Sad litany of shootings. And as I was saying, spring time seems to really be. When it fires up. Sunday in San Diego. Two dead eight people shot. As the guy opened. In an upscale Apartment complex near the swimming pool there. He was killed, he killed. A womand there were. Several others wounded and a couple of them in critical condition then just yesterday. In Austin, TX, student minutes of the large hunting knife stabbed at least four people killing one. Yeah, and also along the lines of violence. Out there New York terms last Wednesday the 26th firearms and driver is a lethal combination, rapid rise in road rage since 2014. Really a big number. And then we've got the violence, the violent attitude, and the claims of violence from. Individualists tending toward the wild are good friends. 28th communique. They love to put out those communiques. Well, of course denouncing. Publicity and mediand so forth. We attack, we attack all that has to do with the human being or hate is the same for all humans. Well, you've heard all this before. And they report this they report is happening on Thursday, April 13th. In Mexico City. On the let's see the Alameda. It's a Blvd I think they left an explosive envelope of some kind. And 16 year old girl. Found the envelope. Apparently she wasn't really injured. The press states that the explosion did not wound her. It seems like the bench where the envelope was abandoned served as a barrier between her body. And the blast. But of course, they're disappointed that the 16 year old girl Didn't get blasted by this. A curious girl took the bait. The envelope was addressed to no one and whether it was opened by a young girl and an old man, it would have been all the same to us. Taking the misanthropic course. We have plunged ourselves into the abyss of the indiscriminate so forth. We kill our inner humanism for indiscriminate attack. May explosive love letters proliferate. Yeah, very nice stuff and an echo. Of that from this from a. Wandering cannibals. Which is a website I think a spin off of the Atassa. Publication I think it's. Put out by the same person it's called. Of angels and cyborgs. And very similar deal. You know I don't need to read from it. Part of it says even the primitive is the so-called species. Trainer is bound to the illusion that the salvation of the human. Will be the salvation of wildness, which is laughable. The only thing that the human can do now is bleed, die and decay. You know, it sounds like Hitler at the end in his bunker. Germans deserve to go down in flames. They have betrayed me. They're not worthy of. National socialism so they should all die. With me as I. Approached my suicide in the bunker in Berlin? Yeah, it's just as it's just as ridiculous. The final destiny of techno industrial society and perhaps of humans themselves, they're hoping. Well, and by the way, hope is that word pops up again. Jason in Philadelphia. Regarding these nihilists who decry hope, that's one of the mantras. Of denialists in general, he says they have hope by the evidence that they have not killed themselves. That's a good point. Hitler killed himself my God well. This this connected to. I think a piece in Salon magazine. From Sunday the 30th. Phil Torres. He has a vertical called. It's the end of the world and we know it. Scientists in many disciplines see Apocalypse soon. And it's a pretty informative piece. It really goes down the list of all the. All the ecological disasters and we're getting to the end times. Kevin Tucker has mixed it up with this guy. He says Kevin and I'll get back to the article. Sounds an awful lot like anarcho primitivists or eco anarchist. But this the weird thing, in the middle of this article. He's the writer. Torres is talking about that. There are people that might even want the end. They celebrate the end. Of course, that's this. ITS outfit for one, I guess. He writes what sort of person might actually want to do this though, that is see the end of everything. Unfortunately there are many types of people who would willingly destroy humanity. The list includes apocalyptic terrorists, psychopaths, psychotics, misanthropes. OK, that's right. Yeah, that's right. And ecoterrorists anarcho primitivist eco anarchists, violent technophobes militant Neo Luddites. Et cetera. So of course I didn't see this. I hadn't seen it until Kevin showed it to me, and he of course takes issue with that. That's that's exactly wrong, and he identifies with the last four groups. The last four named orientations. You know you got it absolutely wrong as he's and they've had they're having a back and forth about this, which is good, I guess. But they're we are precisely not trying to see everything destroyed. With our with our illusions and our hope and our other idiotic delusions. But as I just referred to and the latest things that come out from ITS type folks, yeah, they willingly destroy humanity. They glory in it. But this guy. The piece overall got a lot of good stuff in it, but wow, he sure missed the boat. On that. And it ends up sounding like a postmodern liberal, in terms of the where, it's really coming from. Despite as I say, some good information. Oh, do we have a call?

Speaker 4: We do this boogie from the Bay.

Speaker 5: Boot you from the Bay, alrighty? Hi there are you with us.

Speaker 3: Fitting them good evening, John there I had a question about getting my hands on black and green review but not using like PayPal and electronic forms of payment. Is there either a way to mail some money? For all the. Copies that have come up. Until this time or. Find somewhere local. Like either in either in Pennsylvania or California, where they can be obtained just because don't quite like going through credit cards and stuff for that type of area.

Speaker 5: Well, well, that's if you were in Eugene. I could give them to you myself, I could. I could handle that. Well, you've probably seen black and green review. Press the main website.

Speaker 3: Right?

Speaker 5: I don't see that in my mind at the moment, but you don't want to contact them that way at all. Is is that what you're saying?

Speaker 3: Well, The thing is I am. I tried to send some mail to the PO Box that was listed on the old WordPress version of the site but it came back as returned to Sender.

Speaker 5: Really, the Salem Missouri PO Box.

Speaker 3: No, it was actually the Pennsylvania one. Should I use the Missouri one?

Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's and I would think that's up there. It's very public know.

Speaker 3: OK, I think I might have just been looking at an old at an old site that might not. Be the official one now.

Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if you were to contact because several of the editors now live in Missouri. OK, almost half of the editors do so. Yeah, that's for sure. They will get that stuff to you.

Speaker 3: OK, right on thank you very much and I. Keep doing everything you're doing.

Speaker 5: Thank you appreciate the call.

Speaker 3: You're welcome bye.

Speaker 5: All right, yeah, I know people can be apprehensive about. Giving out information that way. Well, something else this week. Pretty hot stuff. The finding this came out the middle of last week. I think it was news on Wednesday and Thursday. Humans lived in North America 130,000 years ago. Study claims. I mean, this just gigantic that's that. Puts like 100,000 years onto the. Main most popular version. Of when humans got to North America, either through the Bering Strait land bridge or. And some people have speculated that human humans were navigating on the oceans a long time ago, and that's probably. How this happened? Where this where they came from to? Evidence to be found near San Diego. Southern California Yeah, It’s really remarkable and I think overall it shows that almost every single thing needs to be put back further in terms of human capacities, human presence. **** and it's different. This was if you haven't seen the thing it was. Found that Mastodon bones. And along the freeway, the what is now in San Diego County and the way that they put this together was that the. The bones were handled in such a way cut and so forth that made it very much. Reveal or resemble the way you would do it if you were. If you were doing something with these bones to. Get the marrow. Out or what have you to cut them? Yeah, this really quite incredible. In the journal Nature that came out last week and came out last Wednesday. And it's just that it's a mind blower. My friend Jonathan in Canada. He said if this confirmed, it would be a huge discovery. It would completely rewrite all the textbooks on North Americanthropology, human origins, the out of Africa theory as well as megafaunal extinction theories. 130,000 years means there will be so many ramifications. I think that's a very apt summation. Yeah, they found these rounded stones nearby. I mean, there's just it really makes it look human habitation accomplished this, and they're dated. You know, to that date. It's quite astounding, It’s, so it's always cool to see these orthodox things. blowing up these taxonomy Orthodox statements just out the window. Apparently there may be. I, Imagine that there's some people that say, well, thisn't conclusive. It could be something else, but it so far it seems like the consensus is that. People were there doing this with these methadone bones. Well, let's see in the weekend Wall Street Journal the big story about Big Rise in anxiety disorders and it's, this thing always hits me the same way. It's a disorder to feel anxious. Society has a disorder, . Civilization has a disorder. It's pretty darn normal that, and I’ve certainly known people that have anxiety attacks and different forms of. A pretty strong anxiety. Who doesn't have some anxiety these days? If you don't, you're not paying attention at all, I think. Well, we sure have more severe. Weather and swings of weather. This came out yesterday, rare late season, Blizzard in western Kansas. And in the same story, at least 14 have been killed by tornadoes and flooding in the South and Midwest. Same storm. Well, it's not that there are no tornadoes in that area in the spring, but this getting stronger. This thing, and they have a Blizzard in western Kansas. As we move into May. Is bizarre and needs of extraction. Let's see, this came out last Thursday the 27th. More than 3000 petroleum wells are being shut down in Colorado as a precaution after a house explosion killed two people. The oil and gas company said. Yeah, the. Something's going wrong there. That ain't right, but. You know, as I've said before, we know very little about these explosions and leaks. There's a lot more, especially the leaks. You know, it's hard to hide up, hide a big explosion. It's killed people, but. Yeah, it came out right away that what culprit was involved? Well, and the impact the general. Humpback whales have been dying in extraordinary numbers along the eastern seaboard. Since the beginning of last year, unusual mortality events. Which means that marine biologists don't know what is going on. And so the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is opening an investigation. And see a lot of that. I think I mentioned the leatherback. Turtles last week, which are also endangered well. Impact whales are not yet endangered. I don't think. Unless they're killed. And but a lot of this apparently. It's industrial shipping collisions with ships. More and more of that. Whales colliding with said vessels in these shipping lanes. Meanwhile, from Mexico also reported late last week the rare vaquita porpoise has gone extinct. Entirely by quote human action. Yeah, the species event. Just keeps on rolling along. Well, 10 days ago, the power outages in New York. New York City and San Francisco. Made the news and last Thursday night 20,000 people lost power in LA County. And that was due to a windstorm. Certain things are not. So reliable, all parts of the grid, for example, are not as we know, I guess not really. Fail safe. Yeah, my friend, you turned me on to. This I had someone acquainted with this book, but I don't remember this passage. David Noble, the book, about 10 years old, I saw the religion of technology. I grasped the point right away that the attitude. The way technology in general is apprehended can be compared to religion, religious. Religious feeling surrounds the thing, and he's there's a passage in here. About Edward Bellamy and I'm familiar with the looking backward and very popular book. Came out in 1889. It was a socialist utopia. Very bureaucratic, very pro industrialism, just a really clunky lefty. a deal, and I thought. What a turn off. It's pretty much the very opposite of William Morris's news from nowhere. And I just can't get enough of news from nowhere. If you haven't checked it out. And strongly recommend that. Well, it turns out noble. Found out that toward the end of his life, Bellamy changed his thinking altogether. He just completely dumped the whole love affair. With onrushing industrial technology, and he wondered why, how anyone could be. Taken by it what? What's the appeal? What this not good. This so that's really nice to hear. I was not aware that Bellamy he's he's so famous for. Looking backward if you. And anybody who looks into the literature of. Of utopias or the left, or anything like that, that one pops up. Well, ABC News last Thursday reports that new climate change findings, meaning the Pacific Ocean of California, may rise higher and storms and high tides hit harder than previously thought. And we know that some areas are more subject to rising oceans and other things than than some other places. It's not a uniform development in terms of vulnerabilities. But, and they probably have more people studying it. In California, I would guess so. Boy, there sure is the same as in these. Stories, it's. Almost virtually everyone I can't think of 1 off hand. There must be some, but. That doesn't say. Well, sorry folks, it's worse than we thought. It's getting this in this direction faster. And more severe and so forth than than the last report we gave you. Meanwhile, once again I'm trying to keep track of this super bug thing, the. Any sort of thing? Well, the bacteria that is that any any any biotic available cannot handle. That's the scary thing, and it's becoming more prominent this has to do news. Last week's AP Story Super Bug fungus provides new minutes. And of course it's related to the bacteriand the fungus, but it's. Candidauris, it's a form of yeast, and in this case commonly used antifungal drugs have no effect. So it's acting like a super bug bacteria. Oh man, that direction is obvious. And other health stuff. World Asthma day. I didn't know that today was world was World Asthma Day. Today or yesterday. I'm not sure India chokes. Sales of medicines rise 43% in four years. That's the news from India. Indeed, this the sale of any anti asthma medicines. Went up to almost 50% over the past four years. New Delhi Hindustan Times. And once again, the microplastics in the rivers and oceans, mostly we've. We read about. The oceans, I guess, but. There's a piece called. From above the fold environmental needs fishing for microplastics in the Rhine. Scientists in Switzerland are concerned about microplastic pollution in the river Rhine. Tiny bits of plastic can end up in. Our stomachs by a. Fish, no, that's not the only problem. From Deutsche Villa. Oh yeah, I got some. That's some amazing tech stuff, some more anarchist stuff. And before the break I think probably everybody this to anarchy. Radio knows about national. Public radio or national Pentagon radio is Catherine. Well, they're fundraising again. And they. They announce themselves as unbiased and in-depth. Of course, it's neither. And meanwhile we just saw the end on the weekend of free speech radio network. It's done after a 17 year run independent outfit. Unlike NPR, it never got corporate NGR or government funding. Yeah, that's gone I wasn't very much acquainted with it actually, but. That's pretty bad news. Well, I think what we've got a little bit more from citizen. Nobody we're anxious to play some of this. This called. What is it called?

Speaker 4: This the patriarchy Blues.

Speaker 2: It's never gonna. Money banking.

Speaker 5: Yeah, some good stuff from Belfast. And let's see when we go into some Action News here. You know, I've taken some shots at antiva. A little bit. And I was going to be saying Victor will say it, that maybe it's lowered the bar. I don't know. Maybe maybe in light of the wonderful Mayday action. Maybe I'll take it back a little bit. Anyway, I was noticing that anarchistnews.org. They there was more weak non anarchist stuff there it struck me and maybe that has nothing to do with the big popularity of Antifa, but. It probably doesn't. I take it back, but now I was thinking about several stories about weed and the anarchist. Episode 7 the fight for better wages. Election news whistleblowers. I mean that they couldn't be more liberal, that is, is it? You just have to be. Assumed to be a Trump hater. That's all we need. That's all you got. I don't know, but it's I'm going to keep my eye on that because. It does have this somewhat lowest common denominator. Forest by it I think it did.. It tends toward that, I think. And but who knows, there's it's not a super wild time except yesterday. That is, again, that some things are on. The on the Wayne. Some projects have ebbed and even gone away. If you're considering them in general, such as the Free Speech Network news. And then we had the Portland OR pothole fixers. What about a month ago? Yeah, some more photos of that. And now Buffalo red and black clean sweep. This was, I guess, this was on Earth Day. I think it was back in the 22nd. Of April Picking up the trash. Sweeping the sidewalks. I don't know. I mean, so that's OK. If you want to do that, there's nothing even slightly radical about it, it's it seems like more like nice liberals desperate for approval. But it's not. It's not a bad thing to do, it's just man. Are we down to that? That's that passes for. Anti authoritarian or somehow? Into that bag well, but I digress. You know, I just wanted to mention sources of anarchist resistance. And boy, I forgot a sure long list of people that have helped out this radio project. In general, not necessarily about Action News, but. I could just run down a whole long list, but anyway It’s certainly much appreciated. It just helps this thing go. In a very big way. OK, but specific sources online sources for the action briefs. You know the. Pretty much illegal stuff that I. Like to highlight. A movie there used to be there was social rupture. There was war on society. You know, and these these outlets come and go and nobody says you got to do it forever. But now, but by the way, just for information that you might want. The current ones that are so very helpful information wise it's going down insurrection news. Earth first newswire and a real stand by man. They've got the longevity award here. 325 no state. Very solid, very long running. I think that's in Europe. And whoever does that is certainly hung in there. Well, this was posted last Friday the 28th in English from indigenous folks in Oaxaca. There has been. A blockade of the Trans Ismus highway. Between Quantec and Hoodslam Hochatown that is. Entire community opposing the latest Mega project. Yeah, they’re just. This another mining thing. Flagrant violations of every kind that's been going on. I'd like to get an update on that. And a little. Bit of Alf stuff. Many hunting towers have been destroyed in both east and West. Of the Swedish woods during this winter spring, the nature and all life is under attack. For total liberation, all of Sweden. Also, swinging 11 rabbits were freed last week, rescued from appalling conditions. And sometime last week, another ATM was torched in solidarity with the intricacy cues of the Archan bank robbery in German in Germany. This arson was in Basel, Switzerland incinerated. The photo can tell you about that. In Rio WOW last Thursday, Friday. I have a feeling it died down a little, but it surely surely hasn't gone away. Want to update on this too? Resistance to propose anti labor austerity measures. Gigantic more than eight buses were burned in Rio de Janeiro's downtown. Lots of barricades clashes everywhere with the cops. There was a huge repression by the military police, but libertarians and anarchists bravely resisted in the night of the barricades. And Brazil isn't really well. There's the landless movement that's pretty major. In Brazil but. You know, if you speak with people there, they'll say there was never any revolution in Brazil, and sometimes you get the feeling they're not sure there will be one, but. But this pretty. Pretty strong, pretty insurrectionary. And I bet it's still going on actually. And Speaking of Brazil, squats in occupied in central Sao Paulo. There is something like 50 occupied buildings. There housing some 4000 families. And people find a way. Yeah, then these there is a. There's a great awareness of too. This a. Great consciousness. No alcohol, no drugs, no violence, mutual respect, real estate prices have shot up enormously and people have taken. To solutions that are available when you go for them. Mayday in Moscow, a group of autonomous senators walked through the streets of Moscow and made sure that Big Brother is no longer watching. Surveillance cameras. Big Brother watching you then smash out his eye. We are constantly under the supervision of the state, et cetera. Yeah, and there's a photo going along with that. And Mayday also, as well as the big demos and that resistance in the streets. Joe Moreno is a is a ward is an yeah Ward Alderman in Chicago. He's wants to claim to be a progressive politician, but. He's a real gentrifier and. Families being torn apart and pushed out of the neighbors. So they certain people. They don't care about about BS marches. We smashed out the windows of Joe Moreno's office. Unless I'm a night note. A nice note on the facade explaining why. In spray paint, no doubt. Meanwhile, 6 out of 10 Angelinos thinking of the ride is likely in the next five years. And we just passed the 25th anniversary of the 92 uprising in various parts of LAnd this sentiment. Is increasing for the first time after two decades of decline, so that's towing. That's what's out there about that. 5413460645. We've sure got some zany old tech stuff and other things that I think are somewhat related. Is the piece in the Sunday New York Times under cultural studies? Oh what a beautiful morning online. It's quite amazing. I think we they wait for this call and get on to this story. Of a very gripping video game. Hello there hi hi hi there. How's it going?

Speaker 6: Hey, just a quick question to follow up on the Black and green review. Is there an outlet here locally where we can obtain physical copies of that for cash?

Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it's I mean I. Yes I can do that myself. Actually, if you're talking about Eugene.

Speaker 6: There's no brick and mortar shop, it's.

Speaker 5: No, no, not anymore.

Speaker 6: Where it's available?

Speaker 5: It's we're working on more distro. More outreach, but I don't think so. If you'd like to e-mail me. Is that something you might want to do?

Speaker 6: Or you can read it online too, I suppose right?

Speaker 5: Oh yeah, sure.

Speaker 6: OK, can you give that info?

Speaker 5: Oh my e-mail address.

Speaker 6: Just where you can read the publicationline.

Speaker 5: Well, there's. You know there's been four issues #5 will be up this summer. Number one is sold out completely and that's online, but not much else is online. But for anyone I've given out my e-mail address before anybody wants to contact me.

Speaker 6: If you're comfortable doing that.

Speaker 5: Sure, it's Jay-Z, primitivo. PRMITIVOZ Primitivo at Gmail.

Speaker 6: OK, thank you John. I just wanted to.

Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for your interest.

Speaker 6: See how we could.

Speaker 5: Yeah, there should be.

Speaker 6: Look at it.

Speaker 5: We there was an info shop at the boreal, but the person that was talking.

Speaker 6: Right?

Speaker 5: You know that's not there anymore. Because it's somewhere else.

Speaker 6: Oh, that's too bad.

Speaker 5: So yeah, it is too bad. That would have been one easy way to do it.

Speaker 6: Yeah, seems like an alternative. Book Store Info Shop is sort of missing here in town right now.

Speaker 5: Maybe we'll get there. Maybe we'll get back to that.

Speaker 6: All right? Thanks John.

Speaker 5: You're welcome, take care. Alrighty well Gee, black and green review and on the subject. July is the deadline, but so once again, we'd love to hear from you if you have. If you want to write a letter or an article or what have you, we 7 editors are would be very interested in hearing from you. Oh, we got another call.

Speaker 4: It's another unique color. This Steven.

Speaker 5: Steven, yes hello there.

Speaker 7: Hi can you hear me OK great this Steven.

Speaker 5: Definitely yeah. Can you hear me?

Speaker 7: I called Ben last week about the weather. You know the cold and the rain here in Eugene, OK.

Speaker 5: Right, right, right yes.

Speaker 7: There has been another development, I just thought I'd mention here. I live downtown right at 11th and Olive and. Starting just a few days ago, I began to notice the trees outside certain trees, ones that are all the branches they make a shape that resembles like the flame of a candle., upward and the ones they're on W 11th St. And it's just directly S. No, not S. What am I saying directly? East of Olive St they.

Speaker 4: By the.

Speaker 5: Bus station there, huh? By the bus depot there.

Speaker 7: Yes, yes, right across the street from that and on that side of the street as well.

Speaker 5: Then there will be heaven.

Speaker 7: Actually on both sides of W 11th they are. This my first spring in this location so I don't know whether this typical for these trees, but they look very odd right now. They're turning as like there's this sort of pale green that they're turning, but then, as you get further out the leaf. They're turning red. It looks more like autumn like November. October, November than it does. You know, April, may and I called the urban forester here in Eugene, and I haven't got answer back. They were checking on it. I called them yesterday and still haven't heard from them so I don't know what's going on. I myself don't know what trees they are. Except they're deciduous, but Hazel.

Speaker 5: Did you notice when they started?

Speaker 7: No, I'm not sure I really there. The leaves are fairly small at this point, so they haven't been there that long. But I know that some trees turn a deep. You know they're already out, leaves with this very deep red. That's not what's going on here. There's something else and I. I think you. Ought to take a look at this. It's really, really strange. Anyway, I wrote. Last week, after talking to you, I wrote up essentially what I said to you on air, and I sent it in to Z net. You may be familiar with that. It's a leftist website, although Noam Chomsky. Does publish a lot of his political stuff on that? And he's he's some anarchist. I mean, maybe not the variety you care for, but he is. You know he has written some things that and he says he's anarchist and everything. But anyway, I sent it to the. Them and they didn't publish it and they never said they.

Speaker 5: No, they probably are not very aware of Eugene, but there was some very severe weather this winter and it could be that the two very cold. Nice sessions we had in December and January.

Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. I don't know. I don't know what this point but.

Speaker 5: OK, well keep working on it and yeah thanks.

Speaker 7: OK.

Speaker 5: For calling man.

Speaker 7: Sure, OK bye.

Speaker 5: I didn't even know there were trees down. Still living down there. They can be very.

Speaker 4: Big can they W 11th and olive.

Speaker 5: Between that would between olive and Willamette. He was talking about. Trees anyway, we'll. Take a look next time. We're down there. Well, I wouldn't be surprised if something new is going on with it. But online oh, what a beautiful morning. I started to save by Virginia Heffernand then she writes for the New York Times. On occasion, she's talking about this. It's website, called Stardew Valley. And how Speaking of addictive stuff this a game of the video game and. It’s from steam, which I guess is the biggest digital distro platform for computer games. And how, how amazing it is just a sort of a longish piece. And part of the story you get into this. Stardew valley. Started do there's a grandpa in the picture. Having trouble picturing this, but. Grandpa wrote a letter telling me that he wants quote lost. What mattered most in life. Connections with other people in nature. This a video game telling you that and so. Anyway, she goes on with her experience with her daughter and they're playing this thing. And she's trying to. Do my grandfather proud by staying on line. I mean the whole. Thing is, is really convoluted and crazy anyway toward the end. On a whim, I glance out my apartment's real window. It is magnificent spring day in the real world, rich with highly realistic graphics. That's what it is. Reality is just graphics. No, come on. I've been playing this game for hours. It hits me like a sock to the gut. I seem to have lost sight of what matters most in life. Connections with other people and nature. How about that? Gee, do you think that's the nature of this? And this it's almost just goofy. OK, you’re that far gone, but at least you copped to it. I guess I don't know. It's pastoral video game. That's what rivals nature and you don't have to actually go outside. You know it's a. Good part of it. Let's see, just wanted to mention this. This from the journal Research Ethics. It's about. Facebook emotional manipulation. The paper seeks to understand what autonomy in quotes means for Facebook and what Facebook means for autonomy. I don't have time to go. Into this too much. That's from the abstract. And the negative impact of Facebook that brings in Jacques Lowe. Who's quite brilliant on technology? Yeah, that fits right in with the. Stardew Valley, I would say. Slightly different deal, but meanwhile this. This probably the most preposterous of the week in the test tanning. Glove is what I just. This from last Thursday the 27th. Pope. Francis urged an audience of technophiles and entrepreneurs to use their powers of curiosity and inquiry to explore and nurture the relationships that bond human beings to one another. And theadline of the piece, Pope tells technology leaders to nurture tie with ties with others. From the Vatican to a Ted Conference, have a human touch? Yeah, that's just exactly it, it'll Papa. Boy, no lie you have correct the whole thing, you just. That's the most ridiculous and it, reminds me of the Dalai Lamand he showed up here last year. I guess it was and people flocked to this to hear these bromides. These witless generality sounds nice, but it means nothing. But this even worse. I would say can you see this crap with a straight face? Exactly what takes away the human touch? The bonds between humans and nature. Or are you that? I don't know brain dead or I don't know what. I don't know what I'll explains that it baffles me. Meanwhile, last middle of last week, a man in Thailand broadcast himself murdering his 11 month old daughter in a live video on Facebook before turning off the camerand hanging himself. Yeah, I'm on Facebook, yeah. The gruesome case is the latest in a string of violent crimes that have been broadcast over Facebook to a wide audience, sometimes millions. And I was stretching in pure. But I heard most of a broadcast on Saturday. The 29th Interview with thead of the AMAmerican Medical Association's Doctor Who's currently the president there, and the long and short of it is that technology has harmed patients. Not only by wasting doctor's time on the computer. But the actual physical techno stuff? In every hospital. Has not helped. It has not improved healthcare, super costly, more and more remote from the human touch. As the day goes by. And this thead of the AMA. Probably wouldn't identify as a primitivist. Or even a Luddite, but. Anyway, and the National Geographic, this something I saw just a little bit of I couldn't couldn't stomach it, but I noticed. I had a chance to see this. They have. I guess it's a series called Origins. About human origins, I have a book called Origins. Anyway, it was so remarkable it started out, or the part I saw. I think it was the beginning of the thing. Over and over was the mantras the species we are always exploring. We are always looking for new things. We are always pushing. We are always exploring that the narrator must have said this six times in a row. This the very same point. It happens to be completely false. That's that's not at all the case. That's a very modern, relatively recent thing. Always exploring, never happy with the way things are. And I just mentioned one. Little datum. On the subject as is. From the archaeologists, who I think are continually still absolutely vexed and baffled by the fact that for one million years the design of stone tools did not change. 1,000,000 years and what is what is sort of baffling is that we really do know that a million years ago. **** species had the same intelligence we have, and actually we know this. I mean, I think this really. I think it's beyond dispute actually that what goes into making a tool out of a rock is various stages and conceptualizations to do that. You have to have. You have to have intelligence to do that. Equal to ours million. Years ago So it's just stupid to say as a species, we're always exploring that's not the case. We nothing was changing much at all, not just stone tools, but bands society, small face to face, groups of 50, or whatever it was. Yeah, no, we didn't branch out into tribes and. Villages and cities and empires and all the rest of it. There was no rush to do that was driven by domestication. Which is only nine 10,000 years ago. You know, and it's just preposterous to say things like that. Well, it rivals the Pope for the weeks Preposterousness well, one more, and this the add of the week. We could file this under preposterous as well. TV ad for Samsung. It shows a group of ostriches. One of which is very is wearing a VR. If you can picture an ostrich with the VR over its face, well they all start running and the VR equipped ostrich takes flight. You see the shadow on the ground as the other ostrich is running along the ground. So yeah. Totally goofy, and here's the punch line we make. What can't be made. So that you can do what can't be done. Wow, ***** ** the VR and you can fly like an ostrich. Zany upon zany to zany. Well, let's see. Carlin will be here next weekend in two weeks. Let's see, that would be the 16th Kathy. Will be here. Yeah, so yeah. There's always great stuff and so. Chris ready to come on in, so we'll see you next week.

Speaker 2: Who let the sun beat down for my body? Dollars 2,000,000 I am a trapped.

04-25-2017

[audio] Anti-fa? Yes, but...Zombies of the week. Documenta 14/postmodernity/March for Science. No more play for kindergartners, groundwater going. Acid attacks on big rise in UK. More nightclubs are anti-cell phone. Website best way to con- nect with ill friend. Where's the post-left, anti-civ pulse of anarchy?? Latest from The Brilliant. "Panic Attack": "society is a stew of unease, fear, rage, grief, help- lessness and humiliation." Action briefs, three calls.

04-18-2017

[audio on KWVArchive: navigate calendar to 4/18/2017, click on the date, then click the 'play' icon next to Anarchy Radio. There are several minutes of music before the show starts.] Kathan co-hosts. KZ reflects on the 47th anniversary of her felony arrest and the course of her life. More on anti-fas a weak, lowest-common-denominator liberal approach. More spills, shootings. Earth Day?? "France in the End of Days." "How Western Civilization Could Collapse" (BBC). The ever greater lies and swindle of technology, its ever greater colonization and reach. Resistance news, one call.

04-11-2017

[audio] Shootings on rise. Creeping fascism?? Abe Contreras attacks JZ for ITS. Friendship - has it gone? Munich's Blitz nightclub bans cell phones but tech is ever more totalitarian. Kevin Tucker's "Peak Civ" column at It's Going Down. Robots for old people provide a more "deep" communication than "human-to- human" interaction. UK toy company called Technology Will Save Us. Action news, three calls.

04-04-2017

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03-28-2017

[audio] Orange County Anarchist Book Fair says. "Abandon divisions" - anarchist trend back to leftism? Springtime rise in shootings, polar ice at record lows. US white adult death rate up sharply. Climate change worsens massive China smog, Seattle pumping millions of gallons of raw sewage into Puget Sound. My ITS death threat, theme parks going virtual. "What would your 'model' society look like?" Action news, 3 calls (2 on-air).

Transcript

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Speaker 6: Radio was March 28th next week, April 4 or Clifford. Mr Cliff will join us. You've been coming down here from Portland. That'll be very cool. Man, we got a bunch of heavy stuff to impart tonight and some absurd stuff to be sure as well. Let's just start with this. Here's here's a sort of anarchist challenge. Put that into that department anyway. The 3rd annual Orange County Annie's Book Fair took place last Saturday in Anaheim, Southern California, and it was a heavy Antifa theme. All it's going down. For example. Big fascist scare. In other words, you would have to read that as Trump scare. And the fixation Trump. Not that there's nothing that there isn't any. Terrible stuff going on. Along with that, it certainly is but like elaw, I was mentioning that earlier in the week. When Iand I tabled there, the official thing was unity. And with the Orange County folks quote, we must abandon divisions and join a common struggle to free ourselves. Well that's just that old lowest common denominator. Again, it's really. infectious, evidently from Ella to Z magazine to. It's just let's just bury the hatchet and just settle down and let's just retreat back into good old leftism that never went anywhere. But now. It seems to have come back to life if you want to put. It that way. Stretched the word a little bit. Including for example, and this just. This how. Uncritical, this can get if that isn't generally true enough across the board. Reference to the John Brown anti Klan. Committee I think this mostly in the South, but I'm not sure the you might remember the John Brown Book Club along with Prairie Fire. This was in the 70s as the as the movement of the 60s faded out and you had these. Marxist Leninist group, still hanging on. So now when I hear John Brown. It's always the name if you ask me, but that’s really. I think that just that's theritage of that. That's the pedigree that's Marxism, Leninism. If that isn't disgusting enough, are we just going to? Yeah, let's not have any divisions or disagreements. Anything goes, including that putrid type stuff. I don't. I think we got to be aware of that. Well, it's springtime, and sadly enough, one of the things that seems to me in recent years is the violent violence. Amps up is just a little bit of it. Let's see. Last Wednesday the 22nd 4 dead in northern Wisconsin, including a cop shooting spree there. And the big Cincinnati nightclub shooting late Saturday night. I think it was some like 18 people shot only one fatality so far. Several people blasting away. And Central Florida. Monday early yesterday. One dead, five others shot, including two young kids. It was a supposedly a domestic dispute thing that broke out and. Two of the people shot were children ages 7 and eight. Two cops in Miami were shot today in some undercover operation. And this a goodie. This a man talk about spring time Maryland high school student who was quote meticulously planning and quote a major Columbine type schools shooting. Big time massacre. She so this not. Totally gender oriented I guess. A funny sweet honors student is what she was according to people who knew her. Yeah, just and she was ratted out by her father who happened to look in her. Journal and saw a lot of plans to. OK, yeah, that's pretty sad. And Speaking of violence, I guess the gloves are off even more. This thing which came out late last week about the. About the civilians bombed over 200 dead in northern Iraq. Well, we know that yeah, the invasion of Iraq in the 1st place. Thousands dead trillions spent only to create ISIS. So yeah, if anybody didn't know that. Yeah, there's some grim stuff going on. This one of the things that sort of came up out of nowhere, and it's a it's apparently a distinctly American phenomenon. The death rate for white adults. Is is something? And indeed, troubling after decades of steady decline, death, death rates for white middle-aged Americans has been climbing at a startling rate since 2000, and it's cause it's called by some this sharp increase. Deaths of despair and it a lot of that is suicides, drug overdoses, and. Alcohol related drinking yourself to death liver failure. All that. And surprisingly, similar for white men and women, especially those with the high school degree or less. And this the. The people protesting with their vote for Trump. And it really is a picture of hopelessness and, well, death, . It's a deep trend and it's yeah, there was of course a big economic turndown around 2008 or so now. But it seems like according to And, well, even the economists who've who've studied this. It's not so much. Economically driven, it's a sort of accumulated despair, sense of insignificance, sense of being disconnected. Yeah, what? How about that? Again, the increased social isolation. And this the piece that, well, several people have written about it. But no campaign slogan is going to solve this anytime soon. It only makes it worse, only underlines the. Particularly bad condition of folks like that and. The weakening of connections and relationships and the. Stress and so forth, and that's not a good picture. Meanwhile, of course, the old opioid crisis rampaging, and especially I don't know about especially, but I suppose it stands out a little bit in terms of rural America. Which heretofore wasn't thought of as. A place so susceptible, but by now. We certainly know that's not true. Piece in the New York Times. A little while. Ago overdoses are churning through agricultural pockets of America like. Like a plow through soil. To complete the metaphor. Well, yes, Carl told you it's 5413460645. And yeah, there’s some interesting news along with all this horrible news, It’s interesting, plus or minus, I guess, but. You know, I've been certainly referring to the very grave air pollution. Conditions in China, especially Eastern China, and there's a story. On Saturday, this the New York Times story about how they're they were trying. They're announcing that they’re putting in. Certain things to try to reduce the pollution. There's the smog, but it's being checked by climate change. Specifically, there's a dearth of wind. Especially in northern China. And of course, it just blows the stuff around. It doesn't. It's not like it gets rid of. It, but it. Can prevent the most severe pockets of. Really death causing pollution. It’s just really getting awful. And now whatever measure is in there, I think a lot of them sound like they're quite cosmetic in the 1st place, but. They don't work because these most populous cities are poorly ventilated. Let's put it that way. Nature is not helping. The usual winds. Ain't there no more so? Very bad news. And here's some absurd news this was. See what day was this? Oh yeah, Sunday. New York Times. Two days ago, what you can do about climate change. And it might have been subtitled and what you can't do according to. The writers here. Well, what can just one concerned person do. And yeah, drive a. Yeah, this just full of nonsense. The biggest thing you can do nothing you could do would come close to doing as much as driving a fuel efficient vehicle. Because they're not. Going to tell you. That building fuel efficient vehicle in the 1st place is hideously polluting. And yeah, it doesn't pollute as much as some other cars. I mean, obviously it doesn't. These claims have some basis in fact, but. Yeah, and it actually says a car that gets better gas mileage cuts greenhouse gas emissions. Come again, the car that gets better gas mileage cuts greenhouse gas emissions. No, it doesn't. It adds. It adds admissions, it just doesn't add as much. It’s a slower growth, but you can't say it. Cuts does the car take in noxious gases or something as it drives? I don't think so. Yeah, this the usual little all-purpose shell game thing and all the usual deals. You know what you can do? Replace your light bulbs and so forth, I mean. Absolutely ruled out is tackling the machine that's killing everything and has been since. The industrial revolution over 200 years ago. No, no, you just keep on you. You can be the perfect green consumer and that'll work, isn't it working? Oh no, it's actually not, is it? Well, up in Seattle and here's your it's a technology thing when you think about it, but. There's been since February 9th electrical failure. In their water treatment. Plants up there such that millions of gallons of raw sewage and untreated runoff have poured into. The nation's second largest estuary. Yeah, the message sewage treatment plant has had equipment failures and so it's only partially been working and it's been a disaster. February 9th we're still. Yeah, 30 million gallons of raw sewage. So far poured into Puget Sound. There hasn't been a treatment plant spill of this magnitude in recent memory. And it sort of makes you think of Fukushima. Yeah, and when you're going to fix it, I mean, it's well, it's not. As relatively irreversible as Fukushima, but. Yeah, they hope to bring this plant to full operations by the end of April. They hope and whatever we still in March, aren't we? And a companion story. AP story Saturday the 26th about whales study finds orcas collecting dangerous bacteria in water. Yeah, this this doesn't even talk about the what happened in Seattle. I mean this. Example, what they're pumping into the water in up in Victoria, BC. Not that far from Seattle anyway. Yeah, there, there's all kinds of bacteriand fungi. Being inhaled by orca whales. Including salmonelland a whole bunch of stuff. They've been sampling. Orcas breath And revealing microbes capable of causing diseases. Some are resistant to multiple antibiotics, frequently by people and animal. So which suggests human waste is contaminated, contaminating the marine environment in. In new ways according to the Journal Scientific Reports. Yeah, that's where they're. They're getting a read on that, and it's not good. And some people think specifically Michael Osterholm and Mark Olshaker. This today's New York Times. No, I'm sorry Saturdays. New York Times, the 20. 5th that the biggest threat around. It's not necessarily the one that comes to mind. 1st and this has to do with the. What they call the microbe wars. It's the infectious disease. Is the real threat to national security, they assert? And MERS. Evicting people on the Arabian Peninsula. Yellow fever and Brazil's largest cities. On and on, it's got a big list which I've referred to pretty often. And three years after the 2014 Ebola crisis, still no vaccine or a plan for how to deploy one, even if they had one. To prevent future outbreaks. And then there is the conscious part of it, or potentially conscious bioterrorist part of. To go ahead and introduce. These microbes. Goose the whole thing along. As if it isn't unhealthy enough, just the way it functions without bad actors getting in there. Arctic sea ice dips to record low for the winter. Yet another record for low levels of sea ice. A signal of an overheating planet. Yeah, that's extent of floating ice now. Hit a new low. It's what they have left less than 6,000,000 square miles. That's above the areabout the size of Maine below last year's record. So all this is pretty stark. Yeah, more regions very likely will be completely ice free year round. We're losing the ice in all seasons now. Said the director of the National Snow and Ice Data Center. Yeah, it's up there with what's going on in the Antarctic. Which also hit a record low mark in terms of how much ice there is. Up there or down there I mean. Well and we got the usual the usual stuff about. Outbreaks of listeria. About a week ago deaths from Listeria, in terms of cheese, was getting out there and. And the typical recall. Also, earlier in the month, Mercedes recalling 1,000,000 vehicles. Over a starter part that can get overheating and set fire to the car. Traffic deaths nationwide hit the highest level since 2007. Rose 6% in 2016, yeah. Well, let's see here. I'm not going to. I think we'll do the Action News on the other side, but. Just get to one thing, maybe this. Maybecause it's all about me, or at least a little bit of the 26th. ITS communique I referred last week. I do believe to the 25th ideas communique it's once again it's funny how these people pride themselves on we don't care what anyone thinks we're not. We don't see any movement. We don't want no movement. We're not trying to persuade, and yet they cannot stop talking about how wonderful they are and part of this latest one. This new one is about the vast cover up by the mediabout their supposed many exploits. You know, it's really quite a conspiracy. You can't really find any media information like I think that points to things as having happened and or having happened at the hands of ITS people. People that have been injured or killed. I think there are only two deaths that they claim. I think that's yeah, going back to. 2011 or 2012 but. Yeah, they just are very upset about how they're not getting enough coverage. And they also is a bit. I cut my eye, among other things. Some of this exactly what they always pump out. And they're going. They referred to. Somebody named Joaquin Garcia who's in jail. He's a leftist of some kind and part of this. Part of this community is whining about how. The informal Anarchist Federation and its subgroups around the world, or at least around Europe and to some degree other places get all kinds of coverage. And they don't. So it's really come on guys. I mean, you're just giving it away. You just. You know, like whining, stupid. If you really don't care, then shut up. You know, I meanyway they referring to this fellow one, Joaquin Garcia. They write in this communique when you get out of the clink, maybe we can contract you to hit that senile hippie szerszen. It should be a piece of cake to find him and hit him. And you were sure to find him riding his bike in the parks of Oregon. I am terrified I've never been so terrified. Yeah, well or I would be if I weren't a senile hippie. I probably would be terrified, but. What a joke these people are. They're just making themselves look ever more stupid. Yeah, this. I'm just going to leave it. At that's. What can I say? It's a good thing I'm heavily armed at all times and I might just start shooting out of senility or I don't know. I don't think hippies are too, yeah? Well, that's the point they're making, right? I'm a simple target, an easy target because. That's pretty cool. Yep, there. And getting there, yeah, we got some good. We got some good Action News. Oh, and one other thing I'm going to mention this before the break. Alice and I were over at the coast Oregon coast on the. Weekend and we. Went to the Marine Science Center on Equinal Bay there in Newport. Pretty interesting, they've got really good exhibits. I think we both feel that I'm certainly no expert on. Museum type exhibits but. And they're not hiding things. They there was a display about hypoxiand how much that's. Increased off the Oregon coast since 2002. These are dead zones where basically there's little or no oxygen. In the water compared to what there was and this bad news for various species. As we know. And had one about invasive species or. References to the growing problem of invasive species. The growing problem of what's happening to the coral reefs. Up in the Pacific Northwest, we don't so often think about coral reefs. You think of that as more of a tropical thing. But and how marine biodiversity? Globally, is going down. But one display I thought this a little bit. And even this one was fairly honest, but they had one of the things you see first when you walk in is a pretty large. Exhibit about wave energy and how it works and the great potential. Power source than it is. I didn't know much about it, so it broke that down, but it also pointed out. That the best place to install the wave energy stuff the apparatus to get the energy is exactly where whales migrate in the spring and. Fall and it shows beneath the surface all the cables and different stuff. I mean, if you just went by it. On the surface you see these things floating and so forth, and it's sort of magic. I mean, I don't know anything about it, so, but then they show you that there's a lot of infrastructure and not too great for whales. Just then they were honest enough to point that out. If even if they seemed to be very pro wave energy. Got to have that energy. Got to keep doing all that stuff that should have never been started in the first place. Well, Sir, let's oh we've got the conjugal visitors. And even if I didn't like their music, I would have tried to work that in just because I love the title and they’re local, right, Carl?

Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, local favorites. The conjugal visitors.

Speaker 6: True OK?

Speaker 7: Meaning once again, like we made it once again.

Speaker 8: For my. It looks like we made it once again.

Speaker 7: Yes, it looks like we made it once again.

Speaker 8: A very extraordinary scene to those who don't understand but. What you have.

Speaker 7: Seen you must believe. If you can, if you can. And it looks like we made it once again. To the end.

Speaker 6: Hello we had a call off air about Earth first. So let's push on and just see what happens here. Oops something, going maybe this will be on there. And let's see.

UNKNOWN: OK.

Speaker 6: Yeah, let's take this. And then maybe.

Speaker 3: Yeah, we got.

Speaker 6: Talk about some.

Speaker 3: We got Curtis here in just a second.

Speaker 6: OK. And then we'll move up.

Speaker 3: There we go.

Speaker 6: Curtis are. You there, yeah? Yeah, how you doing?

Speaker 10: Good, how are you? I've been writing this. Sean Swain, the anarchist prisoner.

Speaker 6: Right, huh? Good for you.

Speaker 10: And I'm asking him. What would anarchist society look like? And the answer I keep getting is. That there needs to be like a 90. Percent die off. Of the population and go back to a nomadic lifestyle. And it just seems to be an oversimplification. I look at I consider myself a prude, holy and anarchist, and I'm looking at. You know, even the nomads would meet up once a year and exchange information at least. So I'm looking at. I'm thinking about mutual. Aid societies, but what so? What do you think of an? Anarchist society would look like.

Speaker 6: Yeah, that’s a good question, and I suppose you'd have all kinds of answers even from, say, green anarchy types or anarcho primitives. I mean, I would I would agree with Sean in a sense. I mean, I think that's to me. It's more the direction. We should go into get away from the unnatural population levels and population growth, but I don't. I mean, I just don't think you would even want to. Prescribe that as some sudden thing, or overnight thing. That just would mean the deaths of. Enormous numbers of people, but if your goal is to is to have an egalitarian face to face world, that would be a radically decentralized world. And if because for some of us, the well, let's just speak for myself. That is exactly the goal to get back to where. Were for a million or so years. Something like that anyway, where where it was actual communities, small groups that. That work together and live together and they weren't trying to run the world. They weren't trying to run big mass societies. They it wasn't anything like that. If you if you do want.

Speaker 10: I'm having what do you do with? What do you do with bad actors? You know, like you decide, you can't just exile people or I'm not sure that I'm comfortable with just exile and execute.

Speaker 6: Well, it seems that in banned society and hunter gatherer society, which is what I'm referring to, they did exile people, they would just kick them out of the group you can.

Speaker 5: Yeah, right?

Speaker 10: Right and leave them behind. That seems harsh.

Speaker 6: And we don't, sometimes we assume. That there's the level of pathology then that there is now, and maybe that's not so. In other words, I'm not saying everybody was perfect and there weren't no. Bad actors, as you put it, but now it's of course enormous reality. You know millions of people in prisons and all all the rest of it, but. You know, if you.

Speaker 10: I'm trying to come up with a way of rewarding people for good behavior.

Speaker 6: Sure, sure, and that's there's a whole lot of literature on that. You know, in terms of how do you keep a non hierarchical society from becoming complex and hierarchical and with a lot of division of Labor and reliance on experts in the whole 9 yards that we're stuck with now? Well, they’re conscious. That were employed in it's very cool reading if you ask me how they avoided that and how they would. Not let people assume power or get a big status or a big Rep. You know they would consciously work to keep that from happening to you. Knock that down when it started to appear very as I say, very conscious, but that's assuming that you have a group of functioning small society like that in which that happens.

Speaker 10: We are reading that.

Speaker 6: So obviously we have nothing like that now, but I think if you want to, if that's what you want, you figure out the ways to move. In that direction. Otherwise, what? What the anarchists? The classic leftist 19th century anarchist, and they some of them still do this to them. It's more of a question of. Well, they answer that the supposedly always answered question. Who's going to take out the garbage? Well, that's assuming that's assuming you have garbage and all the rest of it. I mean, that's assuming we're going to have the same old world we just self manage. It but. That's to me, that's no answer at all.

Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm reading about the Paris Commune or the experienced civil war, and it says that they elected. They would elect somebody to run the to manage for one year and they would just have a one year term because they just they needed someone to take it in a direction. I guess rather than just have a mob rule so they would have one person, a manager that would be elected for one year, then they would switch.

Speaker 6: And of course, it only lasted for a few months. That was a very extreme situation and. Such as some indigenous people have found themselves when they went from bands to tribe, tribal organization in the face of the onslaught, they went to measures that they wouldn't have taken otherwise. I think most people see it that way. But I'm talking about if you're asking what would it look like in terms of the future perfect, not perfect, but the future society. That would be anarchist thing in every respect. And then you. You again, you're not trying to figure out how to run this world. You want an utterly different world.

Speaker 10: Well, one more thing, and then I'll. I don't want to take up too much of your time, but what? What I'm looking at too is the . We used to there used. To be a bulletin board in every grocery store. And I'm looking at it as. Like At the farmers markets, you would go to the farmers market to find information. Of and there would be someone there that had information of where you would get the supplies that you needed and direct you in direction. Or I mean people would just leave. Notices that, hey, I've got this. And so I'm just going back to the basics would be the grocery store bulletin board. Type of thing and I don't know if that makes sense and expand from there.

Speaker 6: Well yeah, that's disappeared right? Because everybody's on their iPhone and they're doing it in isolation. They just go online. But what if you don't want stores? What if you don't want buying and selling? What if you? Don't want the whole. Grid all of this stuff which. Takes us further from. Community, that's.

Speaker 10: Well, even if you're going to share. Though you'd notice.

Speaker 6: Well, sure, yeah, we live.

Speaker 10: Notify people that you have something to share.

Speaker 6: Right, right? Yeah, that’s a little closer. I mean, were moving away from that. And yeah, as you point out that whatever happened to that? It's the, but it's disappearing in the. You can see the direction it's going in and I think people start to untangle the whole thing and they realize you're. You're dealing with a whole lot of stuff. It didn't happen overnight.

Speaker 10: Yeah, I think. The localization movement is a step in the right direction.

Speaker 6: Well, yeah it can be. Yeah, that's for example. In Italy and France, yeah, provided it keeps going. I mean it's because yeah, I think you it implies a direction obviously and then. Yeah, that's it's got some potential if people. You know, are honest and serious. You can see the obstacles almost instantly. All the traps well turn it into a political party or all these different ways to keep it as is. As a mild reform deal, and it goes nowhere. Or you can see the logic of it. I was thinking of I mentioned just by the way, Marco Kaminis, who's now free, and he's been in the Swiss. Prison for decades, he started out as anti nukes person and then he realized it isn't just nukes, it's the whole industrial deal. It just goes much deeper and then he so his his own thinking evolved and got more radical.

Speaker 10: Yeah, that's where oppression. Starts with.

Speaker 6: Well, you can see if you followed the thread then there you are and it's. It's a big challenge. Thanks for calling Curtis.

Speaker 10: All right, thank you.

Speaker 6: Take care. Alrighty, here's some action briefs. Some short deals reported last week about the Allegheny County Jail. In Pittsburgh, there was a city in city in strike, about conditions especially. The lack of any medical care. One of the worst in the country in that sense. And anyway, there were a couple of noise demonstrations that followed that and I think right after that. This was March 18th when that happened. That during the second noise demonstration, someone or a group of people apparently broke several windows at the jail and smashed out the windows of some of the police cars in a parking lot. So that jumped out so we got another call.

Speaker 3: Yeah we do, this.

Speaker 6: Great great hey hi what's up?

Speaker 9: Hi John. So thanks for that answer to the previous callers question. It's always good to take it back down to. You know the assumptions that people are making.

Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks.

Speaker 9: We do want a completely different thing than what's going on now, just not how to fix this. So I've been rereading nature and madness by Paul Sheppard.

Speaker 6: Oh yeah.

Speaker 9: I think last week someone asked you about books to read and Paul Sheppard is certainly a great. Place to start.

Speaker 6: I think so.

Speaker 9: And this may seem fairly trivial, but. It really struck a chord with me. I'm going to read just a couple of sentences here, pet keeping virtually a civilized institution is an abyss of covert, covert, and unconscious use of animals in the service of psychological needs lost over his play and companionship. And I see what he's saying. But I have two cats that I. Love very much and. Give me a lot of comfort and companionship, so it's I just wanted to get your thoughts on that. I mean, we are obviously estranged from nature, but I love my cats.

Speaker 6: I heard that yeah, it's yeah that can be. I don't know, It’s just one of those, maybe. I guess it's a contradiction. We you have a. A very clear critique of domestication. Well, we're all domesticated and we all need some companionship and affection. And I don't know I’m sure. You know, again, there would be people that say that's just tedious. You know you’re a complete hypocrite if you if you. Had a cat or a dog. We have a dog.

Speaker 9: And they come and go. They go outside. And they kill mice and stuff and.

Speaker 6: Right and cats? They always say they're they've domesticated their humans. You know it's not the other way around.

Speaker 9: I'd like to think of them as. As companions and . They don't do work for me.

Speaker 6: Right, right, right. No, they got a good deal in some ways, but it's.

Speaker 9: They do. They have found a good way to be with us.

Speaker 6: And dogs, as it's been pointed out there was a a Co domestication. Dynamic of it. Li think that's the reigning ideabout that dogs came to the humans and the humans came to the dogs and they had some beneficial. Mutual stuff, they each gave something. It's a watchdog feature or whatever it might be and. Vice versand. You know it wasn't so much at all, like evidently like domesticating cattle or. Or what have you, goats? They just rounded him up and broke him as they say, breaking a horse. You know that's not a free. There's no mutual thing about it, .

Speaker 9: Yeah, I feel like there's less of a control. Thing going on. Yeah, I don't know. I just wanted to get your. Thoughts on that?

Speaker 6: None of this so pure, I guess as far as. That goes. Glad you brought that up, great.

Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

Speaker 9: All all praise and respect for John Brown and the curse on anyone who. Takes his name in vain.

Speaker 6: There you go, yeah, you can appropriate somebody's name and. You know, come up with something quite a lot different than the original. I'm glad you mentioned that.

Speaker 9: Yeah indeed all right. Thanks John.

Speaker 6: Take care man.

Speaker 9: Right?

Speaker 6: OK, onward two with the. Thanks in briefs here. Although I'm glad for the interruption authorities in South Dakotand Iowa confirmed. Last Tuesday that somebody has been messing with the pipeline. The different parts of the Dakotaccess pipeline. Empty sections, well most of it's empty still at this point. But blowtorch burning holes through there. And a couple of counties and a couple of different states. And Thursday. Last Thursday the 23rd. In Akatsuka Outlaw Chiapas I know I'm murdering that one, but a town in Chiapas. There was a March demanding water. And that well residence there. This a. The municipal. Demo where they went to the municipal water and drinking water system and converting that into English and they got no response. They were getting nothing and so they occupied the town hall, set fire to the entrance, several offices and a car they found parked outside and they even captured some of these. What are bureaucrats? So they were not taking nothing for answer, just they were not. They were not too happy. Friday the 24th and Sofia, Bulgaria. There was a protest that also got interested. Interesting over unpaid wages at the front of Max Telecom. The office of Max Telecom's fourth biggest Bulgarian cell phone operator. 150 people were not being paid. Add baby seeds to building. And blocked the road. And stormed the place. The management had to flee. So they stepped it up too. And also on the 24th last Friday we the partisanarchists take responsibility for the symbolic attack on the building of the expectorate. Inspectorate, sorry of the Ministry of Taxes for the Republic of Belarus. In the Gomel Region 2 mulitas. Thrown in the window. One of the offices in. Yeah, there was a there was a huge amount of support apparently and they pointed out attacking any specific building isn't the point any. Any building would have done because they were aware of the of the depth of this thing. People in Belarus crushed by economic extortion. So they're down on taxes and outraged. OK, Sunday the 26th of victory for 105 migrant workers. Looks in the cards following a two week occupation of Samaris Tower in Paris. They were demanding that these 105 and another 23 be given. Full rights at work. This of course is a migrant thing. They want some legal regularization and they. And so they moved it up to a takeover. Hamburg when people are pumping it up already three months away from the summit in June. And yeah, some people are champing at the bit. And along those lines on the 26th we attacked the police station in the green. Strauss in Hamburg, sit. Set the vans on fire. The police vans. In the yard, and there's a photo of a bunch of. Smoking burnout hooks Last night in Paris, three cops injured lots of arrests after cops killed a Chinese father of four Sunday night. I bet that went on tonight. As well, but I don't really know. OK. Oh man, she's quickly running out of time. Yeah, well. All is not lost we do have some time and. The Who knows somebody might call again. Especially if we hang up the. Phone I. They never catch Carl at anything. Oh boy, put this on the counter. Well, the some of these theme parks. There's a piece Sunday in the LA Times about Knott's Berry Farm down in Southern California. They're joining the trend. The Knotts Berry Farm never been there. Ever been there. Knotts Berry farm.

Speaker 3: No, but I've been near there.

Speaker 6: Orange County isn't it. Well, there's the trend is computer simulated thrills. You just. It's a VR deal. It's a virtual world. Mirrors instead of carpenters and welders making rides you can go on the roller coaster or something and just. ***** ** the thing reality headsets.

Speaker 3: Roller coasters are dangerous.

Speaker 6: They are. I mean, you could. Why even go to this place? What what's? What's the point?

Speaker 3: Just you could get killed just driving.

Speaker 6: There you go, there you go. It's a good reason to just sit on your couch, get fat and stupid, and imagine you're having fun. All right, and Cliff told me. Sent me this thing, Elon Musk. Good old Tesla. Rocket guy and everything. Well, he's got a new thing. His latest venture brain computer interface company called Neuralink. This today at the Wired website. It's called. Yeah, it's called Neuralink. It is a neural lace technology. Symbiotic union of humans and machines. That's what you got to have. That's where we're going. Yeah, the good old interface. That melds us with the machine. And thank you. You know who you are. Self-driving Uber crashes in Tempe last Friday by the way. Yeah, everything is so slick and. And perfect and so forth. But it actually isn't, and I was surprised by this one. Ross douthat. I think that's the way you said. well known liberal columnist New York Times, he, he writes the usual liberal stuff he wrote a thing. This back on the 12th Sunday the 12th called RESIST the Internet. You are enslaved to the Internet. And it goes on and on like that we got to. Take back control. We need a social and political movement. And then it gets a little vague. A digital temperance movement, if you will. Yeah, we could. We have to. We have to pull back. Our devices we shall always have with us, but we can choose the terms. It's it just Peters out like yeah, right? So it's just another you. You come on strong, but then it's just like don't there's too much TV watch and we'll watch less TV. You know you're not even thinking about why that is, how that. Mounts and mounts and why I mean, just it's just silly, but at least. But it's got a great start. We have nothing to lose but our electronic chains. Pretty hot there, pretty strong and here's something that ties it together. We still have a minute or two here. This was interesting. Huffington Post last week. Shared prosperity principle. And this addresses the idea that we've got this great. We have these technological advances and they're going to help. The economic status of people are going to help out. With the day-to-day. Reality of do you have enough money ? Are you going to be OK? Not quite, this the aerial con. Interview with the MIT Tech review. This some interesting stuff. That tech advances have exacerbated the problem of inequality. In this MIT journal, economist Eric Brynelson said, my reading of the data is that technology is the main driver of the recent increases inequality. It's the biggest factor. So yeah, that's a something to keep in mind, because then I fall into this too. You can treat these things as wacko things. In the sense in a vacuum, or at least a partial vacuum. But you don't link it up with more everyday life stuff. Wow, it's actually driving. The deepening. That's pretty amazing. Well, it's the other. There’s a lot of. Recharging hoverboard? Caused a deadly house fire in Pennsylvania little while back. 3 year old girl was killed. And that's because the batteries in the hoverboard burst into flames., oh. OK well. Not time to go into details on anything here, but. This an interesting piece. In the latest New York Times Book Review, the Sunday edition of the. Times 2 days ago by Ray Kurzweil and he's reviewing 2 books. One is Luke doornails. Thinking machines the quest for artificial intelligence and where it's taking. Us next and. Heart of the machine. Our future in the world of artificial emotional intelligence. And what do ? Everything is fine and these fantastic claims are just the beginning and unprecedented acceleration of progress. Everything's cool. There'll be a net positive gain for humanity. In every way, employment and youth can think of 1. It will better because of an interaction between our emotional lives and our technology. This will be splendid. Yeah, it will be great. Virtual reality. Links to sexual applications that will enhance sexual experiences. Wow, this guy's just nuts. We will merge with our technology, though the latter book heart of the Machine, Richard Young says we will merge with our technology. Merging is our best strategy for ensuring a beneficial outcome. And of course, Kurtzweil is all over that. The best strategy is just to give up and just surrender to the machine. Yeah, now that's. I think that's probably pretty valid. That's probably right. Oh my God. Well, more and more people seeing through this and not actually getting so happy with what they quote experience in the. In the technological world, in the in the world. In the society that's becoming more technological by the minute. One can see the costs the toll on every level. Well, as I say. Mr Cliff will be here. He will join Carl Me next week. That'll be cool. He always brings in stuff because he knows that old tech stuff. like Carl, he knows. It so join us and please do take care.

03-21-2017

[audio] Marco Camenisch is finally out! World Happiness Day, US not so happy. Who is healthy? Maldives sinking. Latest insane tech developments. More on Harari's Homo Deus book of horrors. Sleep in America. Stem cell treat- ments blind 3, selfies kill more in 2015 that shark attacks School shooting in France. Is anarchy confronting reality? Resistance briefs.

03-14-2017

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Portland's anarchist pothole brigade. Alexander Kerensky in 1917 and 1966. Ted K's new book: Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How. James Oberhelm, Irish art provocateur. Who's voting anymore? London air worse than Beijing's. Alaska's Cook Inlet gas line leaking since December. The Void: "truly beyond VR." Action news, one call.

03-07-2017

[audio] Tabling at ELaw with Ian; good stuff. Read out "Death." Anarchy Radio is "gossip and NYT reprints"(?) YouTube: a billion hours a day. Bird flu is back, French towns "fade", zines not obsolete despite internet (see Black and Green Review!) Action news. Irresistible: The Rise of Addictive Technology" as social media produce more social isolation. Sleeplessness, spills, Colorado River declining, two calls.

02-28-2017

[audio] Local Girl Scout scandal: need for AUTHORITY. Facebook calls for "global community" (read integration into world Machine). Age of Disbelief, More Dead Cops, Peak Sand? Walden Pond "stillness" from a video game; Toxic online "discourse" - Rx is more tech- nology; sense of smell - AI's algorithms are better. Toys spying on families. Anti-authori- tarian resistance - not nihilist enough?

02-21-2017

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. How urbanism fails globally. How fixating on Trump fuels science and technology. Homo Deus, another hideous, tech-worshipping book. Scurvy makes a comeback in a disease-ridden world. Older Americans hooked on mind drugs. Elon Musk on human-machine interface: needed to keep up! Are egoists and nihilist anarchist? Resistance briefs, three calls.

02-14-2017

[audio] The Brilliant on Atassa/eco-nihilism. "Thoughts of the Week on Anarcho- transhumanism"? Zoltan's "Immortality Tour." Chemical pollution in extreme ocean depths, biodiversity expiring, addiction as a condition of society. Antarctic ice shelf nears end. Work of LaylabdelRahim, Chellis Glen- denning, Zygmunt Bauman. Action news, seven calls (two off-air).

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Speaker 3: Kwva, Eugene. That's right, you're listening to KWVA Eugene. It's time for anarchy radio. Right now I'm in the studio here with John. The phone number is 541-346-0645 and we have some. Music from Shostakovich to start the evening out.

Speaker 4: Happy Valentine's Day to one and all. Anarchy Radio February 14th and that was just a COVID 7th. The Leningrad Symphony having to do with the Siege of Leningrad, 1942. 44 in which 2/3 of a million people died. I heard this just recently that the story goes. There was a German veteran visiting after the war. And by the way, at the premier shows the COVICH had the music. Blasted out toward the surrounding Nazi German troops. And this veteran said when we heard that music, we knew we'd never break the siege. So that's cool. And now I switched to something way less heroic. Let us say few words. Not that much going on, so I'm going to spend a little time. On this. Somewhat reluctantly, they're brilliant. They podcast the brilliant #41 all about. The Atassa collection. It's apparently ongoing journal. It's now it's available from little black cart, their latest commodity. There were there are three people discussing it, Aragorn, Bellamy, and somebody named. I forgot his name. He said almost nothing. He didn't get his two cents in very often, but. Anyway, they're describing they're discussing what is in this collection called Atassa. I think they're I don't know. Maybe 10 pieces in there. And for most of the hour. It's informative, like a book report. There's not much judgment going on. They're bringing cloth trays somewhat. Somewhat a little off base in terms of his theory. Of the state or resistance to the formation of the state, but anyway. It brings the peace in question. Brings in clusters stress on violence at the society and the state. That's the OR society against the state. Where the argument, roughly speaking, is. Based on the Yanomami and Yanomami and Amazonia in Brazil. But that's what heads off the state's pretty much ultra violence as they described it. I'm not going to go into how. How accurate they had it, or how accurate the article has it in terms of the ideas of clusters. But because for one thing you a little bit handicapped, Bellamy said he's ignorant of. Anthropology and Ergon says he's hostile to anthropology, so. How much? Confidence can you have in that area but. Anyway, they're trying to stress the violence part and to would justify. The eco extremist extremist that's this. ITS syndrome should have said that in the 1st place those who don't know. We've been getting these communiques. The Florida rhetoric. Over the past few years. And so they’re discussing this as a collection. The first collection of articles about and by. Some of these? Eco extremist eco nihilist. Whatever, they happen to be called now. And as I say, it's just the the meandering discussion telling you what this article is or that article is, and. Anyway, they getting a little bored with it and but toward the end now it comes clear. Yeah, they finally take off the gloves. And this book is great. The eco extremist people are great because they're nihilists, they're cool because they're nihilists after all. I mean, it's just amazingly uncritical. Listen just for a moment. Part of part of this. Thing to me is. We don't know if you take these these anonymous statements from people at face value. Or why would you is what I'm getting it? Did they do these different attacks? These setting of bombs or injuring people and so forth? We don't really know that. In fact, we don't even know if they actually happened. Because in some of these, in some of the commentary they take pains to say, well, you'll never find it in the media because the media covered it up so well. Possibly they did. I'm not saying they didn't, but. It’s a little murky. It's a little hard to. Say exactly what is going on. What are they claiming and so forth. Well, and the two punch line things are. Bottom line things, Eric Gorn says he's all for this collection. It's wonderful because it expands. What is anarchism? Which is odd, first of all because. These people are explicitly anti anarchists and time after time they say they're not anarchists and. So how are they actually anarchists? I think this stuff is pretty hideous to tell you the truth, it's more like fascist. And it does remind me of denialism right before right after World War One, which starts to become fascist, especially in Italy. This glorification of indiscriminate violence. We've we've seen that before in other places. I'm not equating the two, but. So that's why this collection is so important. I just get this overall picture to tell you the truth. If you get post modernism egoism. And nihilism. What you get out of that? Stew is garbage in my view and the one closing thing. Bellamy argues that only pacifists. If unless you're a card carrying very, very consistent pessimist, you can't condemn this. You cannot. Trash the eco extremist. Theory and practice. No way. And this somewhat based, or at least it's related to 1 to one article I've I have. I saw this before some time ago, in which somebody I'm sort of guessing at the name, so I won't bring it up. Lists a whole bunch of anarchist acts. Acts of violence mostly in the night in the 1800s. In which. Pretty much bystanders were injured or even killed, and so therefore. What's wrong with these people doing it? Well, for one thing, they didn't glorify it. And in some of these cases, if you're if you're attacking the stock market or a super expensive restaurant in Paris or something like that. You could also argue that they're not exactly the same as the postal worker or somebody walking down the sidewalk. It’s a little bit loose with the facts, I think. And one is reminded too that. It is possible to take action without killing people. Look at the Earth Liberation Front or the. Animal Liberation Front and their main. Litmus test is. If it involves taking of life, it ain't us. We don't do that, and all the government could do for years and years is to say, well, it will sooner or later somebody's going to get hurt. Well, it's never happened so that rings rather hollow. But that they didn't want to bring up the case of these actual existing anarchists who. Who have the courage to do things without? Without just getting all giddy and happy if they if they want to kill more people, because after all they're all civilized, so they're just dude doesn't deserve to die. And this a great thing. This really this like this a new low. For these people, it's just really. Yeah, I’m. That's enough of that. And as Carl said, this 541-346-0645. This not a podcast. This live radio. So call in and people pretty much never do because it's. I think it's too appalling to try to defend it. Well, another thing I think this going to be, we're going to be getting into this a little bit more down the road. I predict this something. Black and Green Review gang. That we've started to discuss a little bit and it's. What I understand as Guy Macpherson's latest hypothesis. And it's basically that we are really close to the end, even very close to the end of human extinction. He says it's now likely by 2026. So that's less than 10 years. And he says when? If the ice keeps thawing and you get more and more ice free periods in the Arctic to where it's totally ice free, not just in the summer, there's going to be an unbelievably massive release of methane from the sea floor, because it won't be. It won't be held down by ice and temperature, it'll just it'll create. The catastrophic spike. In the temperature. And there'll be crop failures. They'll the civilization will collapse. It's going to be just all over and. I think Jim Person calls himself anti civilization. This a this a thesis that maybe more. People will comment upon I have to say on just off the top of my head it reminds me of the peak oil folks. And by the way, I'm not saying that Guy MacPherson is wrong that this ain't going to happen. I don't know it could happen. But the peak oil people we're at the imminent point of fossil fuels is over. We're now on the downhill slope, getting more and more. Vertical that slope where just going to run out of the fossil fuels and then everything will stop because it depends on fossil fuels to keep the whole machine going. And it I don't know I might, so my first. feel about it. It's the same desperate desire to have. Some external Deus Ex machina thing come in. From off stage and just come out and just do our work for us, which I always tend to suspect. And but again he might be right, he might be. That's just what's going to happen. With the thawing of the Holarctic. Well, one other thing, just going on here a little bit in the anarchist corner. Not talking about news at all here at the moment, the thought of the week at Anarchist News is interesting. In a depressing way, and it's not worth much talking about it, but thoughts on anarcho, transhumanism? Yeah, what do you think about transhumanism and? Yeah, what do? You think about technology and will it save us? We'd like to briefly have you briefly share your journey to transhumanism. And of course, somebody points out there's nothing anarco about it, there's nothing. This the desire to. For the machines to take over completely and for humans to become machines. And all these other. Massively alienated fantasies that these people have. So that's that. Seems like if you have to get to this backward place, maybe you should drop this weekly themes weekly question, or topic that invite people to Mull over. It's just it's quite stupid to. And by the way, that's. And it sets up the piece in this past weekends. New York Times magazine, February 12th. Pretty good, it's about my own body. OK. Zoltan Istvan yeah the immortality campaign he was running for president last year. 600 miles on the stump with the transhumanist candidate for president by Mark O'Connell. This really hilarious. Great picture of him, he's he looks like a frat boy. Actually very nice friendly person. I mean he's not a doesn't act like a jerk but. The writer doesn't have a lot of. He thinks it's preposterous, but gets he gets a laugh out of it. He's they've got this bus. It's called the immortality bus. It looks like a coffin, actually, although. Their whole their whole thing, his his main emphasis. And as it is for a few others of the transhumanist thing. Is that we can live forever. No reason we can't live forever. Science is just cracking it and it's soon we'll live forever. In fact, it's criminal if you're not on board because you're, you're preventing various people from becoming immortal if you. Are trying to delay this. This a Ray Kurzweil thing. He's he's way into the Kurzweil. Emphasis in transhumanism. Yeah, it's a long article. It's pretty amusing he and I had this debate a couple of years ago at Stanford. And he's he really does. Like any mediattention. I don't know how anyone who was there and this. Is a little. You could just stick on my part. But I thought everything he said and refuted utterly and just mopped up the floor with the guy. But he was all happy afterwards and. Happy to have the event and shook my hand everything. I just thought Wow did you, were you here for this debate? Anyway, the article is pretty funny and it's I don't know what. With Zoltan thought about us not literally friendly, but it has a lot of factual stuff too, though I guess. Somebody here, eh somebody?

Speaker 5: Excellent hey John.

Speaker 3: Yeah we have.

Speaker 4: Great great oh how you doing?

Speaker 5: I'm doing all right, so I heard something on NPR which does unwittingly report interesting information from time to time. About shrimp, like crustaceans that live at the bottom of the Marianas Trench. The deepest. Depth of the ocean currently being loaded with PCB's and other. Toxic substances, so apparently those things are fall to the deepest depths and then get concentrated so.

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I saw that as a journal article and then carried by the Guardian. Yeah, terribly scary because it was thought that that depth thousands of feet there's no pollution down there. There's nothing that could really get going.

Speaker 5: But apparently it's just extremely high concentration.

Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this just a new horror that came out of nowhere. And yeah, they've apparently. Verified this and it's. Also, it's not just the Mariana Straits, It’s other depths of the ocean that were had to be. You know, somewhat proof against the pollution, and it's not at all the case.

Speaker 5: Yeah, we have. We have left no stone unturned.

Speaker 4: Yeah, sadly enough, sadly enough.

Speaker 5: All right, well, all right carry on John.

Speaker 4: OK man you.

Speaker 5: Too OK bye.

Speaker 4: I guess connected to that big story a week ago about the crack in the Antarctic ice shelf that has something to do with the ocean. Which grew 17 miles in the last two months, and they're talking about. Nearing its final act, this the 4th largest ice shelf. And getting real close to the final full break. And it's not the only one that's showing cracks, it's melting underneath these things more or less, always as I understand. They're they're melt theat, the weight. Causes the temperature to be even more magnified the. The higher temperatures that they're seeing. Not as much as the Arctic, but they're on their. Way as well. It's called the Larsen B ice shelf. These are warning signs that the remnant is disintegrating. It's becoming unstable and breaking up bad news for our planet. It’s been there for 10,000 years. Soon it'll be gone according to somebody from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Is that a? Notice or something somebody else calling. We had somebody last week you kept calling but it just that made a lot of sense. Maybe we'll, maybe we'll have better luck. This time, yeah, I think this probably a judgment call from yeah. All right hello there. Hey wait. OK, oops.

Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta, I gotta give me. It to press all the. Buttons this non Raven.

Speaker 6: Stuff selling into my new life so it's nice to finally get a chance to. Talk to you.

Speaker 4: Oh great great hey, how you doing after the move?

Speaker 6: Yeah all good very British weather we're having right now in California, but I'm looking forward to hotter and better things.

Speaker 4: Yeah, sure. Yeah, from drought to flooding.

Speaker 6: So you. Yeah, lots of floods at the moment yeah, so I've got a couple of points for you and your listeners today. The first is to remind people that as you kindly mentioned a few weeks ago, discussions are open at antidev.org anti hyphen. Org and I'd really like to welcome you. Know anyone who's listening to contribute to those discussions and to emphasize that they’re not there just to be read and consumed but to be joined so. If anyone wants to discuss a topic and there's no thread, or if there is and they feel it's not getting enough attention, they should just, go ahead and make a new thread to prompt people.

Speaker 4: OK.

Speaker 6: My second point is like a question for you. Could you perhaps highlight what are the two or three most important reasons why you're comparatively more hopeful than other anti civil broadcasters about the possibility for like a widespread rejection of civilization? You talk from time to time about a gathering momentum or you hint. That's it, and obviously your last book was about hope, and that's something that comes up so you're certainly a lot more optimistic than me. Maybe you can tell me what am I missing and I’m happy to take my answer off here.

Speaker 4: OK, thanks LR. Thanks for calling and yeah good heads up there about antihyphensiv.org. Well, I'm becoming. I'm becoming a little less hopeful to tell you the truth. And partly because our own scene is in sad shape, but. I don't know. I think partly and probably said this before, but just sort of a generational thing in part, just personally, because the movement of the 60s came out of nowhere. And there certainly are a lot of reasons. Graphics darkly presented. Realities that cause people to. Two more questions. This whole ball game then then we see. Or allowed to see. So I'm not I'm not. I'm not so quick to just rule it out it's an open question. It may never happen. There may not be any break there may people just things will just become. Worse, on every level, and that could just keep on happening and then and then the environmental thing will. We'll keep going as it does, and. That will be the that'll be it, but. But I do. I still hold out hope if the H word that. Quite possibly people more people will say, this really this really a dead end St here isn't it? You know and for our kids and so forth. It's not, there's no. There is no defensible thing. There just isn't. You know, I mean. And when you run out of the alternative ways of looking at it, for example, the left. Which is really a joke which has contributed to the crisis, the general crisis we're in. Then you may start to question things at the real depth at the level of civilization and domestication it I just think it's not inconceivable. Given again, that everything. Really, at least on the face of it, argues for doing just that. There is no. What are thealthy signs, what's? Oh, it's not so bad. You know. There's look at this. This going well and. So for the well, you don't. You don't see that, you just don't see it. Sadly enough, It’s not there. Anyway, that's very vague thing, and It’s vague with me, but. I think surrendering and just falling into despair and cynicism is no answer at all. So I don't think. We have a lot. Of choice, but thank you for calling on Raven. Guess we have another caller. Yeah, that's probably not that cogent or persuasive, but it's. Maybe it's good to hear a somewhat different take on it, personally.

Speaker 3: This Dave.

Speaker 4: OK Dave, how are you? Are you there old boy? Hello Dave, can you hear us?

Speaker 2: I yeah.

Speaker 4: OK, go ahead.

Speaker 7: Over the past few months I've noticed you do bring up the subject of peak oil and one of the dynamics of peak oil that people are missing now. Is the question of energy return on energy invested and? Have you ever heard of that?

Speaker 4: Sort of, I’m not, I don't.

Speaker 7: Part it.

Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you. Exactly what it means.

Speaker 7: Well, well, It’s an interesting aspect, and I think that's really what has thrown the monkey wrench in the works. As far as the idea of peak oil, so I mean I would anybody interested in peak oil look up energy return on energy invested and what that amounts to is that it takes. Energy to get energy and the amount of energy we're using today is much greater than it was twenty 30-40 years ago. And as that diminishes, we're going to have a harder and harder time to get the energy to use, which is the net energy at the user end. There's plenty there. It's just that it takes a lot more energy to get it refine it and put it in your tank, so to speak.

Speaker 4: OK, so it's just gets so very much more expensive than the it's. It's virtually the same as not having any is that is that what you mean?

Speaker 7: Yes, exactly, that's the that's the whole concept is the idea that 100 a 100 to one meaning one unit of energy. You get 100 back now. That's our grandfather's time. Back in the 20s and 30s and then say back in the 70s and 80s. It was somewhere around 30 to one and then nowadays what they're talking about in the United States. We're at about 11 or 12 to one. And it's falling fast.

Speaker 4: But isn't it? Isn't it also true, though, that they’re finding these vast reserves of gas and oil in the in the past very few years?

Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely, and those vast reserves have been known. It's just that they're very difficult to get out of the ground, and that's where the energy return that comes into play where it takes so much more to process that.

Speaker 4: OK, OK.

Speaker 7: Take, for example, the tar sands.

Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7: You know they're. That's a great example of a low ROI of something like 3 to one.

Speaker 4: Oh, right.

Speaker 7: It's almost not, It’s almost not even worth it. Same with the fracking business. It’s very low return on investment. There's also things called stripper wells out there where they get. Upwards of 10 barrels a day per well, but they're not worth getting the oil out because it takes more energy to get it out than except that we want that liquid fuel so . I mean, we just. That's our shot in. Our arms, so to speak. You know for the addiction.

Speaker 4: Good point and thanks for that reference if to so we can check that out. Find out a little more.

Speaker 1: Yeah I would.

Speaker 7: Definitely say it's an interesting subject. Look up it. You could you can check out sun. Weber has a great site that explains all this stuff. That . People talk about windmills and solar panels and these things, but it's a very dispersed energy. There are no factories run on solar power that make solar panels. Put it that way.

Speaker 4: Ah, bottom line. Yeah, that's.

Speaker 7: Yeah, it takes a lot of.

Speaker 4: That's rather pithy.

Speaker 7: Yeah, all those energy inputs.

Speaker 4: It's not, yeah.

Speaker 7: That add up and. And yeah, so the peak, the peak oil dynamic has changed in the sense that they're not so much worried about that point where we can't get more of it. It's the return on the energy investments, and it's not the money and that's and that's something people mix up to is.

Speaker 4: OK.

Speaker 7: That they think it's the money part of it that well. It'll just cost more. You know It’s the laws of physics.

Speaker 4: OK Dave, thanks very much.

Speaker 7: All right, Jen bye bye.

Speaker 4: Take care. All right now we got some music and maybe even more calls. Well, several calls and two off air in addition. Well that was Dizzy Gillespie and James Moody fronting the Monterey Jazz Festival. Orchestra few years ago. Well, let's see. You know these changes not just the ice melting and the rest of it, but. Now we're hearing about. The connection between the emotional life of people and what is. What is happening in the physical world? In other words, it's driving despair and now it's being called pre traumatic stress disorder by some. Yeah, this. I don't know how much literature there is on this, but. The point is, it's becoming mental health issue, not just the not just the actual environment out there, but. You know outer nature and inner nature. There certainly aren't connected. This was a piece in Vice that Dan Oberhaus February 4th. Oh man. Well, yeah, I've got well, I'm going to get into some news here. Were talking about the. Huge fires in South Central Chile. Yeah, this. And the backdrop to that the. All these big plantations. By a few very big corporations. You know there's the social part of it, as well as the increasingly high temperatures. Anyway, that's become very drastic in Australia. As well, at the moment 50 fires in the current heat wave as of a day ago. And the side stories bats are dying by the thousands because it's so hot, because this the equivalent of our August. If you're in the north. If you're in North America or northern hemisphere. Yeah, those fires in Chile. They've been raging for weeks. And Reuters pointed out on the 9th that the increasing droughts having to do with the temperatures, that's not the only reason for droughts, but will double the size of epidemics like the West Nile, West Nile bug, that virus. Over the next 30 years, becoming a much more major problem and a more severe problem. And the temperatures involved. The increasing temperatures make smog much worse. For example, in Chinaccording to the South China Morning Post. In a related thing, this. I think this. Was yesterday or today that now india they have caught up. With China in the race to poison the air. And the 1.1 million people die prematurely every year because of air pollution. Hey, let's see we got. Honey bees hammered again the monarch butterflies in Mexico. That's where they winter down 27% from last year. As many as 500 whales beached in New Zealand. I don't know if that's over, but that was late last week, the third biggest beaching in recorded history, that's. That's new. Oh boy and we have mentioned before the. The looming threat of drug resistant infections. The fact that antibiotics are losing their punch, to put it mildly. And there’s more on that all the time, and now It’s just ramping up the reality of that. OK, we got another call.

Speaker 3: Yeah, this Aiden.

Speaker 4: Hey hey John. Hi Aiden, how are you doing?

Speaker 8: I'm good, I have this article from the Guardian. I saw it today has to do with air pollution headlines, air pollution, masks, fashions, next statement. It's about, I guess it's some company in Sweden. I think that's making us designer breeding map. They call it the urban breathing mask.

Speaker 4: And it's a fashion accessory, huh? A fashion accessory on top of it.

Speaker 8: Yeah, it costs $100 for the adult version.

Speaker 4: Yeah, great stuff. Geez, where and where are they selling that?

Speaker 8: It was a company called Arenium. IAIRI NUM. Really fascinating website.

Speaker 4: Wow, OK, I'll put in my order.

Speaker 8: Yeah, so yeah, the future of air pollution is just another commodity.

Speaker 4: Right, yeah, there's always a solution. Thanks for that, Aiden.

Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 4: OK, well let's see on to some Action News. If we're lucky, we can squeeze that in there among the phone call. Well this not. This not resistance wise. This anti resistance wise it looks like the standing rock thing. I hope I'm very wrong about this but. It seems like the rug has been pulled out from under that. Most especially since before done in by the. Standing Rock Sioux tribal council. It's it's. These tribal governments, which I think have already also said not to be confused with elders, elders and no expert in this but. My understanding is they have a lot more respect than these government agents who are paid by the feds to crack down on stuff. It's good to know these things. It's good to know going in. Maybe next time people will be a little more. Wary of what game is being played. All right, 2 cell phone towers in the Milan area were burned on January 26th. Quote Attack the power now it's increasingly widespread technological and telecommunications control. In solidarity with the anarchist locked up in Italy's operations script Manent. Another big sweep and put these on rather often in Italy. As you may know, also January. In Australia. Australia day. Celebrated every year while 10s of thousands took to the streets across Australia to protest what they call invasion day. So there’s strength there. There's opposition there. February 2nd. Let's see, this. Getting a little blast in Mexico City. We concentrate our discontent inside a drone containing 8 liters liters of highly flammable material combined with explosive material and a simple detonator. Replaced it right in the middle of two ATM. And they give the address total destruction to both machines with the money inside burned. Branch will barely be closed for several weeks. Yeah, also in solidarity as well as hatred for Citigroup and the rest of the banking. Thursday, February 4th. This some nice graphics here, so there's that. It's going down. In Minneapolis At the National Guard Office, place that just covered with. Painted Graffiti Circle A's no DAPL, no justice on stone land. They're nice, look at things. And this post to February 8th. A Bundeswehr vehicle that's the German army. Boone is very incinerated in Bremen, Germany, and nicely done. Completely done. And this was somewhat in the news, although not as much as. One might have thought. Thousands in Bovini which is a Paris suburb of Banlieu area. They rioted over police, rape of a young guy named Teo. Enormous uprising here. Lots of damage BP station gas station was attacked burning barricades. Police vehicles smashed up with rocks and lots and lots of stuff. Shopping center invaded and McDonald's devastated, including the tills were stolen. Decathlon stores robbed other looting and vans. Burnt or otherwise wrecked. And this a nice one. Posted Sunday the 12th, claiming responsibility for causing the disruption of the Pacific Northwest Corridor rail line north of Vancouver, WA. On several occasions over the last few weeks, 6 gauge booster cables were attached to rail junctions and several points along the rail lines. Which triggers the railway signalling system. This a low risk and easily reproducible form of sabotage. That can potentially cause massive delays and economic losses. To the everyday functioning of extraction industries. And this particular railway is the key. Route for crude oil passing from the back end. Region of North Dakota. On to other places. So there's just a few little things. There's more I know, but it's a little bit of it that I saw. Yeah, I was just mentioning, I think when the phone rang. The rise of antibiotic resistance. Is now shaking things up. It's not brand new development, but It’s being taken more seriously. We're getting close, and that could really. You know it's like plastic if you don't have plastic, you can't do surgery, and even if you have plastic, you can't do surgery. If there's no way to deal with any infection. If we're getting to that actual point. There's a lot of things. That are. Of course, tied together. System holds everybody hostage in various ways. Various interconnected way. Well we have to have this and that. We just have to and well, yeah, that's how we're kept in place but you have to break through that thinking. And go to different. Options apparently there's a radio drama on Radio 4 in England called resistance. Written by the crime writer Val Mcdermid. And this the. This the thing about the antibiotic threat. Now it's getting into the pop culture awareness. It seems. Oh, and the yeah. But Speaking of people being hammered emotionally driven to despair and so on, there's a graphic deal. OD cases in Louisville, KY are spiking late last week 52 calls in 32 hours. Not that all of these are fatal OD's, but. It's just a new reality, one official said. And of course it's in no way limited to. And there was a note here. This one of my favorite books. Upon the death of Sigmund Bauman, who died last week at age 91. Been a lot of good stuff, some of it wanders into the postmodern zone. It seems to me, but the book I was thinking of wrote it came out in 89 modernity and the Holocaust. And it's all about the hookups. It's all about how is that set up. Anne Bauman describes it, the genocide as an all too characteristic creature of the modern era. And I'll read from one of these obits. The early 20 early 20th century, he noted had brought us large scale factories, efficient systems of transport, huge enterprises with disciplined workforces. And a lot of other things, including pseudoscientific stuff like eugenics, but that wouldn't have happened that wouldn't have been possible without the without industrial modernity. You. Or, well, conceivably, it would have happened, but it would have been extremely difficult if we could not have happened in the way that it did in the time frame that it did, at least, and. Oh, I'm looking out there and seeing Chris he. He had a little surgery last week and he missed, but he's he's on the deck. He's in the building. Well, just getting back for a second more about air pollution. It's a theme that's is somewhat unavoidable I guess. There I've mentioned its impact, air pollution, excessive air pollution. Causing being a real causal factor for dementia cases. And now there's a new study. The first to find a correlation between air pollution and diabetes. Scientists at USC in California. The study of Latino kids. It just it just ties it up. Yeah, this was under the aegis of the Environmental Protection Agency. You know It’s one thing to all the people that are. Well, kids and others more and more sedentary. More overweight you can see the setup for. For the onset of diabetes. But this about air pollution. They found that's how many hundreds of kids did they study. Anyway, they found that when the children turned 18 they had about 36% more insulin than normal, meaning their bodies were becoming less responsive to the insulin. They were the body's insulin, and that ain't good. Apparently, addiction. Let me hear a lot about addiction Internet addiction. Opioids and so forth, but. Interesting piece in the University of Chicago magazine. Winter Edition just came out. Behavioral addiction now psychiatrist John Grant, who's a degree in Chicago. He says just a little bit of this here for his patients relatively commonplace activities such as shopping, eating, or Internet surfing have become all consuming. Yeah, financial ruin, legal trouble, marital problems and the point is that this an addictive. A society, It’s just. What what drives that? What is the why are we seeing so much more of it? Gambling addiction. Lots of things like that. Yeah, it's a little troubling. Well, we're going to. I don't know why we probably have time for another call, yes, suddenly. It's the reverse of what? Usually you say girl.

Speaker 3: Right?

Speaker 4: Now it's quiet, at least at the moment. Oh, this a question from a friend of mine. Up in Victoria, Canada, he wanted the just wanted me to throw this out. Who are the best or most important women writers in relation to anarcho primitivism antitype anology and anti domestication? And please jump in on this. I too. Certainly come to mind right away that are. Have works that are quite available, quite accessible. One is Leilabdel Rahim. And she has two books. I think they both came from Routledge. Maybe one is the University Press. Anyway, and just the past few years in her emphasis. Is on the domestication of children. Children's literature and, and more than that, I mean It’s she. She really goes into the depths of it. And Chellis Glendinning in her book back in 94. My name is Chellis and I'm in recovery from Western civilization. Is is quite a classic. And it's a very good thing she's not writing about that so much anymore, but. Those are those are two. Really important figures you've contributed and there. Are lots more. But we could start with those for sure. Well, yeah, the biodiversity deal. Oh man, hedgehogs are disappearing in England. The crickets and the grasshoppers are going to, according to the Telegraph and BBC stories. And here. Today in the New York Times. Reference to the 10s of thousands of common murres. That's the seabird. Disappearing on the West Coast. No food. Speaking of destruction of habitat. Yeah, that there was a there was a call off here about this. We mentioned early on the levels of contamination of some of the. Some of these oceans deepest trenches PCB's is 1 specific thing. If you're wondering, well, what pollution would that be? What do what's? What's up with that? Yeah, chemical pollutants. And some of the worst, such as PCB's and it was reported in the journal Nature, Ecology and Evolution. And then carried by the Washington Post yesterday. If you want to. Run that down. And we got the recalls that mentioned that lately. See, I think it was yesterday. Sargento cheese being recalled due to Listeria. Today, Mazda is recalling 174,000 cars to fix. Faulty seats. Yes siree. Well, yeah, we're we're we're about out of here we're getting close to the hour. And we'll make room one more thing. Raymond Tallis a favorite writer of mine. He's a he's written about consciousness. I drew on him for the piece that I wrote a couple years ago. Losing consciousness. He has a book that came out a year or two ago called the Black Mirror and it's a strange memoir. And he's he's reporting from RT, which is his corpse, and he's it's he's musing. Back through his life, really a great writer. And here's a delicious little point. He's recalling these different things in his life. These different objects, and so forth. In the middle of the. There was a moment when what he had because he was referring to himself in the third person a moment when what he had hitherto called the phone was renamed the Landline. When meetings were specified as face to face, as if that were a rather special subgroup of human encounters, speech had not yet been rebadged as throat mail. But it was only a matter of. Time, that's a lovely book. It’s. I'm working on the topic of death and I'm so I. And red it's called the Black Mirror. Well thanks a lot for tuning in. We're streaming in or whatever and Catherine will join us next week. Take care.

02-07-2017

[audio] Cliff co-hosts, Super Bowl ads of the week. Severe eco assaults in China, India. US attack in Yemen echoes Obama. Anarchist action in Berkeley tops the charts. Resources online damage to kids. "Dark Night" details "numb, narcotic mood" across America. Internet source of global warming. Action briefs. Desire and hope ...and egoism.

01-31-2017

[audio] Trump, anti-Trump...any significant anti-authoritarian quotient? Will there be? "Our Dissolving Social Glue." Latest oil spills, primate extinctions. Chile on fire, Bay of Bengal's giant dead zone, superbugs winning against antibiotics. Dutch orangutan on Tinder. Ad of the week (hermes as nature). Action news, 3 calls.

01-24-2017

[audio] Alice co-hosts. Global over-heating is accelerating; "Experts Foresee Profound Threat to Civilization." Super-rich seek safe redoubts. Pipeline news, including repression and theft by Standing Rock Sioux Tribal Council. We discuss our three weeks in Egypt. High-tech isolation mounts. Ads of the week, anarchist action briefs, two calls.

01-17-2017

[audio] What was anarchy in 2016? Shootings, extinction news, drought in French Alps, pollution in London worsens. New issue of Black and Green Review. Is the Invisible Committee "commie"? Latest Earth First! Journal. Massive global corporate corrup-tion - a new stage? Human-robot marriage by 2050. Three calls. Egypt with Alicenext week.

01-10-2017

[audio] Kathand Ian discuss approaches to spirituality (e.g. animism)and technology. One call.

2016

12-20-2016

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Standing Rock comments. Disturbing China news. The Brilliant, IGD. Crazy Arctic warming, porpoise extinction. Spike in drug use, mental dis-ease. Mark Boyle goes anti-tech, digital "education." Ad of the week: $720 self-lacing shoes. Action briefs.

12-13-2016

[audio] Heretofore hidden politics of Standing Rock. Eugene Weekly and DGR organizer Sam Krop. More of "Fake News," spawn of postmodernism. Denver "Autonomous" Assembly vs. actual autonomy? Artforum's empty "Imagine a World" feature (Nov. issue). Extinction news, opioid epidemic. Ads of the week e.g. ask Google how to make your infant laugh. Why driverless cars. Action briefs, three calls.

11-29-2016

[audio] Read my "Night" and "Black Friday". Maddening high tech ads. A very violent week. SF's Millenium Tower sinking, tilting. "Fake News" - who can say(?) Third Stage en- vironmentalism after 30 years. India bans fireworks to reduce pollution(!) Chess vs. computers. roblosricos@wordpress.com. Anarchist (mostly) action news, two calls.

11-22-2016

[audio] Fifth Estate, Submedia-TV, even Leonard Cohen, come under scrutiny. More Dead Cops. North Pole last Thursday: 36 degrees above average. Post-election hate acts - what to do. Peak Oil?? Apps for doing good, for avoiding death-by-selfie. Philosophy Talk, Ad of the week. Action news, two calls.

11-15-2016

[audio] Kathan co-hosts and reports on awesome Portland resistance ($1 million damages Nov. 11). Ayahuasca: a consumer fad? Hydro power = mercury poisoning. The South is burning. Polluted Danube, need for our own resources health-wise, not techno "solutions." Artificial daylight. Bank of No Money touts autonomy, not leftoid organization fetish. Action news, one call.

11-08-2016

[audio] Voting is not the way out. Air pollution severe in Asia. Children made dumber, fatter by technology. Suicide rates, mass shootings, cops getting shot - all rising. New books. Again, "Will Standing Rock Give Anarchism a Soul?" Mono- polization increasing, Chomsky a self-described Bernie liberal. Action briefs, two calls.

11-01-2016

[audio] A tale of two occupations; inside Standing Rock. Earth First! review of BAGR#3. Low energy pop culture, labor unrest. "Will Standing Rock Give Anarchism a Soul?" Modern Madness by Ed lord, Feral Consciousness by Julian Langer. Every company a tech company. "Opioid Poisonings Surge Among Children." Tech ads of the week. The Rhino GX. Call- out for G8 Hamburg July 2017! Action reports, four calls.

10-25-2016

[audio] Local pro-cop media. Tom Hayden vs. Eugene anarchists (2000). Excerpt from Don DeLillo's fine Zero K novel. Desertification of China, mammal extinctions, shootings of the week. EZLN now firmly Left: politician land. Black Mirror, oil and chemical spills. "Disappearing Middle Eastern Neighborhoods Find New Homes Online", Toyota's new Kirobo Mini, a robot baby. Anti-authoritarian news,

10-18-2016

[audio] Kathan co-hosts. Trump=fascism? "Sully" movie is anti-tech. More clown hysteria. Resistance in Portland. The Moth Snowstorm celebrates nature and its continuing beacon. "The First Farmers" - domestication was imperialist. More cops shot. Children of the New World (They Delete Their Kids). Space travel and dementia. Latest v. diluted product from Derrick Jensen. Action news, one call.

10-11-2016

[audio] Nihilist jokes, "Someone Mailed Feces to Four Philosophers." Clown panics: jumpy people. Regresion #5: Saving the world is the "highest form of domesti- cation," in latest ITS-style lunacy. Worsening cities, air, as robotics marches forward. Cops killed in So. Cal, anarchist/anti-authoritarian resistance. Five calls.

10-04-2016

[audio] Cliff co-hosts. Re: last week's call from rotn: nihilism and what's the point? Anarcho-primitivist Ria Montana on Which Side. Exploding batteries, cars, washing machines. Technology weakens us, displaces human interaction. iPal robot keeps kids quiet and surveilled ("companionship"). Stress overrides diet in terms of general health. People reading much less over past ten years. Anarchist resistance briefs.

09-27-2016

[audio] Tulsa, Charlotte - and next week? More rampage shootings. Dispossess #5: egoist vs. primitivo. Rotn calls in re: nihilism. Ben Rivers' "Two Years at Sea" film. Dodge Charger: "Domestic not Domesticated." "Machine learning" solves problems that need not exist. Resistance news in brief.

09-20-2016

[audio] Ode(s) to nihilism. Egoist-nihilist offering from Greece: Anti-Social Evolution (self-indulgent despair). 1 or 2 things about The Brilliant #32. Some of the week's violence, water woes, 1.5 billion birds gone. 3.66 million year-old footprints: walked just like us! LA man who walks people for a living, child suicides, resistance news.

09-13-2016

[audio] Vagaries of 9/11, including Ward Churchill's fate. Standing Rock update. Nicholas Carr's Utopia is Creepy: And Other Provocations e.g. "Technology promised to set us free. Instead it has trained us to withdraw from the world into distraction and dependency." Ayuhuasca craze. Yet more anti-anarchist ITS crapola. Violence, eco-disasters. Resistance news. "Multinaturalism." (Dell) ad of the week and other astounding tech developments. One call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. You're listening to KWV AU gene and it's time for anarchy radio. As it is every Monday at 7. Well, John and I are both have been in our respective Leon Russell kicks lately, so we have a bunch of Leon Russell to start off with tonight. But the number here is 5413460645. We'll be taking your calls in. Just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: September 13th, September 13th. Time to get your anarchy on with us. Kyle and I are here taking your calls at 541-346-0645. Well, let's see two days ago, 15th anniversary of 9/11. We are almost 3000 died in those twin towers at the World Trade Center. Several ironies involved in this, of course, but one is the fact that the cancer cases keep soaring. They are soaring among the responders so that they're going to be if they're not already. It might already be the case that more fatalities. Among these folks due to cancer then were killed. On that morning. Oh sweet, I've got two microphones now. Count them two.

Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in stereo.

Speaker 1: I like it. I can hear myself. Well, anyway, so that's the built world for you. All of. Those kinds of modern toxins and otherwise, by the way. Otherwise, getting back to the old fashioned stuff, there's a piece. In the economist about cement, the cement industry is one of the world's most polluting. Cement alone accounts for 5% of man-made carbon dioxide emissions requires vast quantities of energy and water to make cement, which is the maingredient of concrete. Billions and billions of tons of cement were needed are needed every year, especially in China, for instance. Anyway, whole lot of cement in the World Trade. Towers as well. Well, oh I wanted to add to that I just thought of this going back to this. Some of about this or remember this, indeed. Or Churchill wrote an essay called on the Justice of Roosting Chickens. Right after the 9/11 thing and it's a reference if you didn't already know to Malcolm. X Malcolm X wrote something or gave a talk. Right after the assassination of JFK in 1963. And he referred to it as the chickens coming home to roost. This what you get in the weird violent society. Too bad thing anyway. Ward was fired in 2007 when this essay began to get some circulation. And yeah, tells you a little bit about freedom. All those innocent people killed in this land of freedom. Well, his point was of course that in the boardrooms up there in those towers. Decisions are made that kill hundreds of thousands of people. All the time, so, but the what hit the fan when this became public. It was really. It really wasn't noticed for a while, but anyway he was fired professor at the University of Colorado. And they tried to cover it up by calling him a plagiarist, that his scholarship was largely or significantly plagiarized. Well, there was a jury trial about that, and the jury said, no, there wasn't any plagiarism. But then, the state of Colorado upheld his firing anyway. They just, think there's a jury system of your peers or something?, some due process. Yeah, they just doesn't matter what the jury says and. So this a six year saga. In 2013 went up the line in terms of appeals and the Supreme Court refused to hear his appeal. In 2013. Case closed. So yeah, that's what you get in this land of the free. If you want to say something that isn't authorized. Well, another very big thing where it's talking about a little bit is of course, what's happening. In southern North Dakota, the standing rock. Intervention whatever you want. To call, it turns out on Friday. As this thing was building and I've referred to this before, I mentioned that thousands. I think 5000 a week ago already there and more people on the way. I've heard about some of those people anyway. The government, the feds Obama pulled the plug on it on Friday just before the weekend said no because it was he could see that’s the Liberals. They're they're a little bit more farsighted. That is not quite as ham fisted as the. As the Conservatives and so. It was, of course intended to, as the New York Times put it, reduced tensions. Or, just pull the plug. What are you folks here for it? There's no construction, It’s stopped. Stopped temporarily, probably until the winter when it's freezing blizzards up there and not so many people are going to be there as they would be in early September. And what and there's a. a. There's another aspect, which is simply that it hasn't stopped all the construction, only on a small part of it. So, and they wanted to put it off as well. The whole thing is over. You know you can go home or stay home, . It’s. Yeah, so we'll see. I think there were. There are people who are not so easily fronted off who are there or maybe on the way there and they know this not over. This not victories yet. By the way, last week, two days before this announcement by the government. The two biggest pipeline companies. In North America merged. I just thought this was an interesting little sidebar. Enbridge and Spectra Energy signed a deal where they will merge course. We're going to hear more about what's happening up there with this. This four state oil pipeline that is being. Strongly resisted by. Native folks representing. I read yesterday 280 different groups, different tribes. And their allies. So this thing was getting huge in a hurry. All right? Well, there's a new. There's a new book I'm dying to see by Elaine Glaser. Called get real. How to see through the hype, spin and lies of modern life? And here's a quote. Technology along with turbo capitalism seems to me to be hastening the cultural and environmental apocalypse. The way I see it, digital consumerism makes us too passive to revolt or to save the world. And I see this. In the context of a. An article is getting around some. It was in the Guardian. On Friday the 9th by Stuart Jefferies called. Why have forgotten 1930s critique of capitalism is back in fashion. Talking about ad. And the boys, Horkheimer and Marquessand company. Actually Adorno wrote his most important work in the 40s and 50s and even 60s, but he certainly got started in the 30s, and it was more than just a critique of capitalism, too, by the way. But anyway. Yeah, it's interesting if this guy's right. It's back in fashion I'm not. That's probably a good sign I’ve drawn so much from a door. Not all of it, but. Some of it, so maybe there are some things in the wind that are. Pretty darn promising another one, and this a little off the subject I guess, but I've been hearing. From people whose friends or kids or others. Just to at random, turning on to ayahuasca, and I have a good friend here in Eugene who knows a lot about it. Jesus does and he's been in various countries checking out this phenomenon. In this week's issue of The New Yorker, is a piece called The Secret Life of Plants. The green juice generation finds its drug of choice. Ayahuasca used for centuries in South American jungles is booming in the US. And I if anybody would like to call about this. I'm just real curious what I was. I was sort of thinking. Maybe It’s compared to what it could be compared to LSD's in the 60s. And I always thought about that the time as appropriate to when things are expanding, such as the possibilities, the movement of the 60s, and whatever you call it. Was coming on, things were changing. It was. In the air. Not just the music, but all kinds of stuff. And it was great that were pretty amazing moments in there so. And my own personal feeling was that is really a good time when you want to open yourself up to the world when the world seems to be maybe turning and. And going in a good direction. But otherwise not. That's just my personal deal because I've dropped out since then, but. It hasn't been fun because it's a. It's a terrible closed down world. It's not expanding. In the good sense, only in the bad. Sense, and I thought I wondered if this true or I wondered how it could be that this so popular. I was. Is it not a welcoming world to open yourself way up to? And anyway, I'm really curious about that. Jesus was telling me It’s more of a personal thing, although Alice is a personal thing too, but I guess. It isn't linked to anything necessarily, but he was contending that. The experience makes you way less likely to become some corporate. Clone or military clone or whatever, but. Oh, I guess that's that sounds plausible, although I think the people that would take Ayahuasca probably aren't on that track anyway. Even before they take it, probably, but. Anyway, I'm really curious and it could be another sign that people are. Are reaching out in. Opening up and so on. Well, the Super bug thing is still haunting us. More stories was one a piece story last Saturday the 10th here. 4th US person has been diagnosed with bacteria resistant to the last resort antibiotic. This really getting to be. Pretty scary if you if it's resistant to the top antibiotics, the real killer. Kinds, then woe. That's been coming on. I guess I have to get this out of the way a repellent thing, but a recurrent thing. The latest its type thing. This was put out by Atascosa, which is a new sort of publishing thing. September 10th and this particular piece is called hard words and eco extremist conversation. It's an interview. By a spokesperson for the Itts thing, the. The nihilist extremist Deco people and stuff. They are so into into publicity. They're so worthy they as somebody else said it. You think nihilists are just? I don't know. Sulk in a corner or something or blow. Blow up something blow themselves up, but these people are all over the media. But still it remains to be seen. I know some people feel like they're taking credit for stuff that other people did. I don't know if that's true or they're taking credit for stuff that never happened. I don't know that either, I mean. Some of it has happened. I think we know that much, but. I thought there's just a there's two or three points I wanted to make about this. This particular interview, for one thing they have announced here that they're not going to make references to Indigenous people anymore. They were starting to try to make their case. Trying to link up with the. With so-called ferocious hunter gatherer people, and that was completely. And you can look it up. There's a response. To that approach, which in which they use the Calusa, people that Southwest Florida. Anyway, it's at anarchist news for August 20th and. I didn't write it, I wouldn't know where that came from, but it just completely savaged their misuse of the Calusa. And so I'm not surprised going to give it up because it was clueless. It just like every sentence was just. Wrong, ? Let's see what is. What is the other point or two? I wanted to make. Well, this just the same one, they’re really doubling down on this as they say. It they repeat the charge that I have and other people I know have. Advocate